KK Chat -- 9 August 2020

[DesertRose]

[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [6:58:40 PM EDT] Join KK has joined this channel.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [6:58:44 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Hi KK!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [6:58:47 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Hi
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [6:58:52 PM EDT] <KK> Hi, guys!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [6:58:57 PM EDT] <bynw> Hi KK
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [6:59:01 PM EDT] <bynw> hi Evie
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [6:59:07 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Hi Evie! LTNS!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [6:59:25 PM EDT] <KK> Evie! Long time no see.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [6:59:35 PM EDT] <DesertRose> KK, are you safe from the flooding?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [6:59:40 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> I might be afk a lot. DH is repairing our chimney and needs me to help hand stuff up to him
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:00:03 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Oh fun. I hope the chimney isn't too big a problem.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:00:27 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> It's a major PITA, but he's about half done
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:00:39 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Glad he's making progress.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:01:08 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Almost done re-enclosing it, but then it still needs to be covered over with the faux stone.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:01:32 PM EDT] <KK> Ah, you know about our great flood. It barreled down our street and into Staunton, made a giant mess and did some serious damage--but not at my house, thank God! Thunder booms scared the life out of poor Booker.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:01:38 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie>
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:01:45 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Aw, poor puppy.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:01:56 PM EDT] <DesertRose> My ex's dog was terrified of thunderstorms.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:02:25 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Glad you and your critters are safe and reasonably dry (hopefully).
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:02:40 PM EDT] <KK> Yeah, I haven't been out today, but I figured they didn't need gawkers downtown while they were trying to clean up. This is the biggest flood since I've been in Staunton.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:03:19 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I went out to the supermarket for a few things earlier and drove through one of the most Florida thunderstorms I've ever seen.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:03:24 PM EDT] <KK> Booker HATES thunder. And some of the booms even startled me and made me jump.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:03:42 PM EDT] <DesertRose> It started just as I got in my car, and was slowing down when I pulled into the parking lot at Publix. Like, ten minutes, max.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:03:48 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Poor pup.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:04:32 PM EDT] <DesertRose> We had a big one here on Friday, and Carys was doing her, "Please make the noise stop" thing; I wish she understood I'm no Ariella and cannot work weather.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:05:45 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Carys asking me to make the storm go away: https://imgur.com/a/6aVcz2w
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:06:11 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Aww
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:06:27 PM EDT] <KK> Aww, who could resist a face like that.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:06:28 PM EDT] <DesertRose> How are you?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:06:49 PM EDT] <bynw> those pictures you posted KK are just devistating on the flood damage
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:06:51 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Have you considered running thunder storms you can control?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:06:55 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I know, right?! She is the cutest, even when she wakes me up by walking across my bladder.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:06:58 PM EDT] <KK> I'm good. Got rid of a lot of stuff this week, some of it even for cash!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:07:03 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Oh, awesome!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:07:25 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Weather audio CDs or files such that you can turn the volume down to a level where they can still take treats to counter-condition?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:07:39 PM EDT] <KK> Yeah, Bynw, I had no idea how bad it had been until I started seeing footage on facebook this morning.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:08:07 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Well, yeah, I suppose I could do that, but she's not afraid; she's just annoyed by the noise she never authorized.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:08:17 PM EDT] <KK> I'm sure there will be many pictures in tomorrow's paper, too.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:08:35 PM EDT] <KK> LOL, DesertRose.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:08:46 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> okay; sorrt
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:08:53 PM EDT] <DesertRose> And I wouldn't stop a real thunderstorm even if I could. They're cool to watch (from indoors).
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:09:06 PM EDT] <DesertRose> No, it's okay; you have no reason to be sorry, Angsthase.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:09:23 PM EDT] <KK> As long as the lightning doesn't get too perocious and there isn't too much rain. Last night was too much.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:09:34 PM EDT] <KK> ferocious
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:09:38 PM EDT] <bynw> indoors? no midwest people here
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:09:54 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> the notion is that the counter-condition the response to the noise before it goes over threshold; one can't learn in flight-or-fight mode, but one can weaken the response for the next time the full volume occurs
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[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:11:00 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I wish I'd heard of that idea when I was still with my ex; it might have helped poor CC (who has since crossed the Rainbow Bridge, but he was a good dog, just terrified of thunder).
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:11:02 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Hi Bee!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:11:14 PM EDT] <KK> Our old dog, Oswald of happy memory, was also scared of thunder, and taught the younger also to be afraid. Even a Thundershirt didn't help.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:11:14 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Classical conditioning isn't magic (though I suspect it strengthens the effectiveness of ritual magic)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:11:22 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Hi DR!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:11:36 PM EDT] <KK> Hi, Bee.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:12:35 PM EDT] * bynw is looking forward to tomorrow ... i hope i can sleep and not just having my mind race with excitement
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:12:38 PM EDT] <The_Bee> I once met a blind woman whose service dog was seeing a therapist because s/he was afraid of thunder.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:12:41 PM EDT] <bynw> hi there Bee
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:12:49 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Hi bynw
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:13:02 PM EDT] <KK> Best of luck tomorrow, bynw.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:13:03 PM EDT] <The_Bee> and Hi KK!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:13:08 PM EDT] <DesertRose> True, and I even took a class in conditioning and learning (minored in psychology). I just didn't think about counter-conditioning in that context.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:13:44 PM EDT] <The_Bee> What's happening tomorrow, bynw?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:13:51 PM EDT] <KK> New job.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:13:53 PM EDT] <bynw> my new job
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:13:59 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Meditation before bed, bynw? (So that you don't go to your first day on the new job short on sleep?)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:14:24 PM EDT] <bynw> i'll be fine
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:15:00 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> You will be fine. Excitement is a reasonable thing to feel.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:15:57 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Oh, yes, excitement is entirely reasonable. I just suggested a bedtime meditation because I know entirely too well the feeling of "brain won't shut up but I need sleep." Meditation helps me with that.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:16:16 PM EDT] <KK> So, anyone besides DesertRose and me have any weather excitement in the past week?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:16:51 PM EDT] <bynw> it was nice and cool last weekend in the mid 70s. today it's was 91 or 96 if you add the heat index
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:16:58 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> We barely even got rain here
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:17:07 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> (Talking about the weather? How British)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:17:12 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Abrush of Isaias, but nothing major in my part of mass. We still need more rain.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:18:11 PM EDT] <DesertRose> We are a British bunch of Americans, aren't we? LOL
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:18:32 PM EDT] <KK> Bee, you can have some of what fell here. (Big flash flood, Angsthase.)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:18:33 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> It's been getting up over thirty, some days, which is miserable but not exciting?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:18:52 PM EDT] <DesertRose> 30 C, I'm guessing?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:18:52 PM EDT] <KK> Where are you?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:19:13 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I'm in Canada. It's meant to be cold in Canada <a:Canadian:727005863818297374>
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:19:36 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Yeah, that is ridiculously warm if you live somewhere that AC isn't ubiquitous.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:19:36 PM EDT] <KK> True. But even in August?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:20:00 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Not cold-cold, but I feel like 30 is not something that used to happen frequently?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:20:06 PM EDT] <bynw> it's meant to be hot and horribly humid in August for Iowa ... and it is
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:20:12 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> It's high enough that the government issues heat warnings
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:20:31 PM EDT] <The_Bee> warm today, heat wave coming.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:20:37 PM EDT] <DesertRose> bynw, I don't even want to hear complaints about humidity from you!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:20:57 PM EDT] <bynw> i dont like humidity
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:20:59 PM EDT] <DesertRose> (I'm in Florida, the natural home of humidity.)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:21:14 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I don't really either, but I'd bet it's worse here than there!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:21:24 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> That seems an inhospitable environment for a desert rose?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:22:02 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I was thinking about it, and even if I were able to move back to Arizona, I'm not sure my skin could hack the arid climate any more. My skin gets sooo dry even here in FL.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:22:50 PM EDT] <DesertRose> But I saw a UPS Dogs post on Facebook a month or so ago that was taken in my hometown, and the homesickness is real.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:24:03 PM EDT] <The_Bee> I didn't know dogs could post on Facebook. X-P
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:24:26 PM EDT] <DesertRose> LOL, Bee. Here's the post: https://www.facebook.com/upsdogs/posts/2875812245842354
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:24:28 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> You should see the web site run by cats seeking fast food!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:25:40 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Their orthography is non-standard, but it is incredibly popular
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:25:52 PM EDT] <KK> Post the link? I don't know that one.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:26:10 PM EDT] <The_Bee> LOL Angsthase
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:27:18 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> <https://icanhas.cheezburger.com/>, I believe
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:28:19 PM EDT] <The_Bee> OH yes! It's been a while since i thought of that site.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:28:22 PM EDT] <bynw> that site has a lot of different things. mainly cats but other stuff too
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:28:32 PM EDT] <KK> Ah, I know that one. They do some very funny cat memes.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:29:30 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I was afraid you might have been.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:29:30 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I think the conceit is that it's run by the cats.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:30:04 PM EDT] <bynw> it might be
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:30:21 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Of course! Who else could do such a purrfect job?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:31:24 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Bee, you hadn't come in yet; here's Carys asking me to make the thunderstorm (which happened Friday) stop being so %^& noisy. https://imgur.com/a/6aVcz2w
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:32:09 PM EDT] <DesertRose> KK, any news on the anthology?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:32:17 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Where's she sitting?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:32:22 PM EDT] <DesertRose> On my desk.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:32:43 PM EDT] <KK> It's definitely going to happen; contracts are being drawn. But I haven't had time to read the stories submitted thus far.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:33:32 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Okay, I seem to remember you saying that the publisher had confirmed that it was going to happen, but I'm not sure you'd said anything about the contract. Yay!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:33:43 PM EDT] <The_Bee> I'm working on something; i hope I can match my past efforts.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:33:50 PM EDT] <DesertRose> And no worries about time to read stories; you're busy, and there's a LOT going on in general right now.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:34:00 PM EDT] <KK> Indeed.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:35:01 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Would it be out of line to ask if Ms Kurtz has formally studied hypnosis? The hypnosis scenes in her books are among the best I've seen in fiction, even if what comes after is a little nonstandard.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:35:22 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Tuesday is a big day; my mom and Shiral's mom share a birthday.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:36:16 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Congratulations to them both!. My family is planning a Zoom chat that evening.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:36:27 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I've had Mom's birthday pressie for a couple of months; I can't wait to see what she thinks of it.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:37:08 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Do you wants to tell us, or wait til your Mom's seen it?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:37:21 PM EDT] <KK> I have, indeed, studied hypnosis. And yeah, what comes after <is> a little nonstanrard. Are you a hypnotist?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:38:03 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I am, yes
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:38:15 PM EDT] <KK> What's the prezzie, DR?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:38:25 PM EDT] <DesertRose> https://imgur.com/Bw6dlLS
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:38:25 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> But Dr Sinclair's pre-talk to Peregrine was beautiful
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:39:02 PM EDT] <KK> I hioped it would work. I studied with Sheila Rossi in LA.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:39:52 PM EDT] <KK> Glad you liked it.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:40:15 PM EDT] <DesertRose> (Re: nonstandard after-hypnosis events) That's the beauty of fiction.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:40:55 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Angsthase, how do you use hypnotism?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:41:10 PM EDT] <bynw> KK. now my cat is meowing at me
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:41:30 PM EDT] <KK> But fiction does have the opportunity to educate, too. As I've often said, I don't aim to change minds, just open them.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:42:10 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> The interesting stuff is pain management, especially chronic pain. Habit modification is also a thing I have done, and if I ever get my business launched will probably be the bread and butter, judging by what other professionals have said.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:42:19 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Meow back at her, bynw!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:42:43 PM EDT] <DesertRose> LOL, hi Kagi.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:43:02 PM EDT] <The_Bee> like getting people to quit smoking?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:43:19 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Like helping people to quit smoking, yes 🙂
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:43:20 PM EDT] <KK> Interesting, Angsthase. Where are ou located in Canada?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:43:22 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Angsthase, do you think there's a line between hypnosis and guided meditaton?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:43:30 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I'm near Toronto
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:43:50 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Just the framing, DesertRose, and sometimes the intent
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:44:16 PM EDT] <KK> We think alike. I was about to comment essentially the same thing.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:44:19 PM EDT] <DesertRose> That was my take too, but since you mentioned you do it for a living, I figured I'd ask.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:44:24 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Guided meditation is often packaged for relaxation, whereas hypnosis usually has a more explicit goal, if that makes sense
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:44:26 PM EDT] <The_Bee> M sister lived in Toronto for a while.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:45:01 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I use hypnosis/focused meditation for my pain and anxiety, in addition to bedtime and occasionally when I need my brain to focus but stay awake.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:45:40 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> And some people are more comfortable with one label than the other, so using what suits them is good. They key is to help reach the end state they want, and the labels are little more than tools.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:46:01 PM EDT] <KK> Absolutely.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:46:13 PM EDT] <DesertRose> (Most of the time, I can focus my attention without any particular preparation, but when I need to focus and my brain is going "Squirrel! Shiny thing!", then it's time to kick it up the chain a bit.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:46:46 PM EDT] <The_Bee> A hypnotist I once met told of someone who was hypnotized to think cigarettes tasted like something awful--gasoline?--but he still kept smoking.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:47:15 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> That's . . . the problem with script-based hypnosis
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:47:17 PM EDT] <KK> Is the coronavirus impacting your efforts to get your business launched?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:47:21 PM EDT] <bynw> LOL i just saw a meme that said "Archery is stabbing with social distance" ....
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:47:39 PM EDT] <DesertRose> LOL, yeah, a lot of that sort of thing has been making the SCA rounds lately.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:47:55 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> For many people, cigarettes already taste vile, but they fill another need. If you don't fill that need with something else, they're unlikely to quit.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:48:00 PM EDT] <KK> Yes, I'd seen that with jousting.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:48:03 PM EDT] <DesertRose> "Social distance" = boooring, not specific. "Out of melee range" = specific and fun.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:48:19 PM EDT] <The_Bee> challenge to a duel: "daggers at 80 paces"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:48:29 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Yes, Ms Kurtz, I've basically paused my attempt to find office space until it's safe to share space with others again.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:48:45 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Better hope Alaric isn't the challenged in THAT duel; he's pretty good with a throwing dagger.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:48:57 PM EDT] <KK> Please call me Katherine, or KK. We're all friends here.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:49:20 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Thank you
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:49:36 PM EDT] <KK> And good luck in your office hunting. Are you working with someone now, or is your work on hold?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:50:04 PM EDT] <DesertRose> (The "Ms Kurtz" is probably my fault; I tend to default to Southern Manners when I'm in mod/admin mode, and I also feel like "KK" might not be specific enough for new forum members to know that we mean you, Katherine.)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:50:37 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Torchholder, have you chatted here before? Feel free to join the discussion.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:50:44 PM EDT] <DesertRose> (In the "welcome new forum member" emails I send when I've created someone's account.)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:50:59 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I think Torchholder is AFK, but maybe Konversation is wrong.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:51:05 PM EDT] <bynw> Torchholder appears to be idle
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:51:29 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I'm on hold, basically just working with friends over voice or text connections at need.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:51:29 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I've been in that awkward stage of "have several years of training from multiple sources, but it's not a regulated profession so how do I know if I'm really, really done."
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:51:33 PM EDT] <bynw> has been idle for 114 hours, 02 minutes and counting
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:51:40 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> (or maybe that's just me)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:51:41 PM EDT] <KK> And Evie must have gotten called away for fireplace-helping duties.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:52:31 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> And no, @DesertRose, that's my own neuroses about using people's bare names, not borrowed from yours 🙂
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:52:33 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Well, I'm not sure education is ever really, really done, but I would think several years of training would be "done enough to do it for a living" in most fields.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:52:39 PM EDT] <DesertRose> LOL, okay.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:52:41 PM EDT] <bynw> not enough weekend hours for Evie
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:53:19 PM EDT] <KK> I would hope that all of us are continuing learning. But the current state of affairs makes it difficult to establish a new business, no matter how much training one has. I wish you luck.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:53:47 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> (I wrote a bad fanfic for another property, with mind control. One of the mind controlly things the mind mage tried was ways to get the viewpoint character to use his first name.)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:54:01 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Thank you very much, @KK
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:54:17 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Angsthase, I've had several people ask me to use their given names by telling me that I'm making them feel old by calling them "[Title] [Surname]," but that's just my mental default until I'm given leave to address someone less formally.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:54:46 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Yes! Mine as well.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:54:46 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Perhaps it's just that I'm old?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:55:05 PM EDT] <The_Bee> It's usually good to ask new acquaintances how they prefer to be addressed.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:55:13 PM EDT] <DesertRose> LOL, could be! The next birthday for me will be 45, so while I don't feel old-old, I'm definitely not a kid any more.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:55:19 PM EDT] <KK> Old soul or old in years?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:55:24 PM EDT] <DesertRose> True, Bee.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:55:36 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> We're approximately the same age, then
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:55:41 PM EDT] <bynw> you are catching up DR but I'm still ahead of ya
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:56:04 PM EDT] <DesertRose> One of the people who told me I was making her feel old was my building manager at the time, but in that context, I was absolutely going to default to Ms. Surname until she asked me to call her by her first name.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:56:30 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Are you also uncomfortable with "Miss [Surname]", or is that just me?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:56:35 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Every birthday is my 21st. of March.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:56:36 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> I'm back. Yes, it's been a combination of having to run outside every ten minutes to help DH while also attempting to start cooking dinner
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:56:43 PM EDT] <DesertRose> You'll always be ahead of me, bynw, while you're still alive. (And heaven grant that be a long time yet.)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:57:17 PM EDT] <bynw> well the males in my family tend to live into their 80s so i think i'm good
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:57:41 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I don't usually get called "Miss [Surname]" but I get "Mrs." a lot, which amuses me as, while I have been married, briefly and a long time ago, my surname is my maiden name, so I was never "Mrs. [my surname]."
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:57:42 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> And now that I'm seated at last, I have a cat on my chest
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:57:49 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Luke or Gigi, Evie?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:57:51 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Hi Everyone! Sorry to be so late
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:57:53 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I'm guessing Luke.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:57:55 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Hi Jerusha!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:57:57 PM EDT] <bynw> that's a good place for a cat
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:57:59 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Luke
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:58:01 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Hi Jerusha
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:58:03 PM EDT] <bynw> hi Jerusha!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:58:08 PM EDT] <KK> Hi, Jerusha.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:58:10 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Jerusha, Angsthase is also in Canada.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:58:14 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Hi
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:58:24 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Some people report being scolded for using "Ms" or "Ma'am", so call everybody who reads as female "miss"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:58:24 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Hi Evie
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:58:52 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I default to "Ms" paired with surname and "ma'am" as an honorific.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:58:59 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Yes!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:59:03 PM EDT] <DesertRose> And I use Ms. as my own title, when that matters.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:59:10 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> nods
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:59:15 PM EDT] <The_Bee> I've been called "Ma'am<" but never Ms.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:59:24 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> As. Is. Right. And. Proper.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:59:31 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> (I may be a person with Opinions)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:59:33 PM EDT] <KK> If one grows up in the South, sir and ma'am are well drilled in, for addressing adults.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:59:44 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Do people call you "Mrs. [Surname]" or "Miss," Bee?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:59:45 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Yes
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [7:59:56 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Yup, KK. It's automatic now.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:00:03 PM EDT] <The_Bee> I was ma'am-ed in Michigan.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:00:07 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I really wish there were a workable non-gendered alternative to sir/ma'am
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:00:22 PM EDT] <The_Bee> usually "Beverly"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:00:25 PM EDT] <DesertRose> (Yes, I was born in Arizona, but bio-father was from the Norfolk, VA, area and Mom and stepdad are both native South Carolinians, so culturally I'm a southerner.)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:01:01 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Gentlebeing, though I forget which SF book I saw that in.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:01:08 PM EDT] <DesertRose> But, say, in a doctor's office or something, Bee? When you're called for an appointment or something, do they call you Mrs. or Miss?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:01:29 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Three syllable instead of two flows less well for me.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:01:30 PM EDT] <The_Bee> I think "they" is catching on as gender-neutral third-person singular.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:01:43 PM EDT] <bynw> sometimes i have trouble calling people by their given names when i met them first online by a screen name
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:01:54 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I've seen "Mx" (pronounced "mix" or "meex," depending on where you are) for both a title and an honorific for situations where you don't want to use a gendered title/honorific.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:02:09 PM EDT] <The_Bee> probable Miss; I never really noticed.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:02:13 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> "Yes, sir."
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:02:13 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> "Yes, ma'am"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:02:13 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> "Yes, [something]"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:02:19 PM EDT] <DesertRose> "Excuse me, mx in the green shirt, you dropped your keys!"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:02:26 PM EDT] <DesertRose> (For an example)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:02:48 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Or "Yes, mx" to follow Angsthase's pattern.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:02:52 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I've been told Mx is a shortening of Mixter. I'll . . . try it, though, and see if I get yelled at 🙂
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:03:09 PM EDT] <The_Bee> I pronounce it Miz--which is an old-fachioned southern term.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:03:16 PM EDT] <KK> I think that's somewhat akin to knowing someone by their SCA name first; and you always think of them like that, even once you know their mundane name. And some of us shift names according to the circumstances.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:03:56 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Yup. And when you get weirdos like me, with an uncommon mundane name and a common SCA name, people get confused.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:04:29 PM EDT] <bynw> most of the folks in here that i know their mundane names because i've known them for decades ... sometimes it hard to think of that mundane name
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:04:53 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Looking back, I resent having been told that an unknown person is "he" unless you know she's female.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:09 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I totally ignored an SCA friend one time when she saw me in St. Augustine, because she yelled my SCA name and I didn't think to respond because I wasn't in an SCA context, LOL.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:15 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> That seems a not-unreasonable thing to resent
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:23 PM EDT] Join derynifank (62a6eda8@owirc-khp3ee.mibbit.com) has joined this channel.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:30 PM EDT] <bynw> hi derynifank
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:33 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Yes, I've been defaulting to "they" for an unknown person. (Like, in traffic. "What do they think they're doing?!?!")
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:36 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Hi derynifank!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:42 PM EDT] <KK> Hello, derynifank.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:42 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Hi DerynifanK
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:45 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Happy belated birthday, @derynifank
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:46 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Happy (slightly belated) birthday!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:05:53 PM EDT] <bynw> i resort to other names in traffic DR
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:06:10 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Any of them polite?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:06:13 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Well, yeah, I do that too, bynw, but I was trying to keep it PG.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:06:16 PM EDT] <bynw> no
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:06:20 PM EDT] <derynifank> Hi everyone. Sorry to be late. Had a birthday dinner with family and just got home.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:06:33 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Hope it as a grand dinner
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:06:35 PM EDT] <bynw> that's a good reason to be late derynifank
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:06:37 PM EDT] <KK> Was it a good dinner?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:07:22 PM EDT] <The_Bee> We were taught to say, "everyone should do HIS best unless it's an all female group. IOW, women shoud be ignored if a man is present.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:07:27 PM EDT] <derynifank> It was a really good dinnerr. Complete with birthday cake. Not a library cake but still yummy
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:07:45 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Was the cake chocolate?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:08:02 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Yup, that was the standard, Bee. Fortunately it's getting to be less of a standard.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:08:13 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I tended to rephrase. So, "People should do their best, unless it's an all female group. Faced with an all female group, people should do even better."
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:08:34 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Does znyone know if they still teach that in grade schools?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:08:42 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I don't.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:08:51 PM EDT] <derynifank> No lemon with cream icing and blueberries on top..
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:08:51 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I'm becoming more comfortable with singular they in general, especially since I now have friends for whom it's the appropriate pronoun.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:09:04 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I could ask the Pod-Child, but her experience isn't super recent.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:09:14 PM EDT] <KK> I don't think they teach manners anymore, at an level of school. Well, maybe kindergarten, but that's also iffy.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:09:21 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I remember it being explicit in French class, but that was a lifetime ago.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:09:33 PM EDT] <The_Bee> "Your" can be either singular or plural; so why not "their"?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:09:51 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I think the question was how they teach pronoun selection for a group or an unknown, @KK
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:09:51 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Me too, Angsthase. It helps to know that singular they has been in use, at least when speaking of unknown persons, for a very long time. There are examples from the Caxton press, so, it's not like it's a neologism.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:10:21 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Yes, that helped me.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:10:21 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> On the other hand, I continue to disapprove of Chaucer's orthography 🙂
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:10:35 PM EDT] <KK> Are forms of address not manners,Angsthase?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:10:56 PM EDT] <bynw> my poor cat is gonna miss me tomorrow
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:10:58 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Sometimes, but they're also a mechanical facet of grammar
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:11:01 PM EDT] <derynifank> I think they are part of manners
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:11:17 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Spelling of English wasn't standardized in Chaucer's time. Not until Boswell and Johnson and that lot.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:11:19 PM EDT] <DesertRose>
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:11:28 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Not going to be home tomorrow, Bynw?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:11:43 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I know that Ontario schools are teaching about gender diversity in elementary school, so I presume that's permeated the curriculum enough to affect grammar lessons (such as they are)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:11:54 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Not to mention Chaucer was writing in Middle English rather than Early Modern
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:12:00 PM EDT] <The_Bee> I read once that in shakespeare's time, people were just starting to switch from thee, thy and thou to you and your for one person.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:12:02 PM EDT] <DesertRose> And I will die on the hill of "What was Samuel Johnson THINKING to try to apply Latin grammar to English?!"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:12:13 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Later than that, Bee.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:12:24 PM EDT] <bynw> I start my new job tomorrow Jerusha. with my old job i've been working from home for the last 6 months.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:12:50 PM EDT] <KK> So cat <will> miss you!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:12:51 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> He was likely thinking that knowing language was a marker of cultural capital, so marking it in the common tongue would have value in signalling status.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:12:53 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Now you must venture out into the world?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:13:10 PM EDT] <DesertRose> In Shakespeare's time, "you/your" was formal (like "vous" in French or "usted" in Spanish) where "thee/thou/thy/thine" was informal (like "tu" in Spanish and French); English lost the informal second person pronouns.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:13:11 PM EDT] <derynifank> Yup at will be lonely and will have something to say about it when you get home. Hope new job goes well
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:13:14 PM EDT] <The_Bee> I thought that was the work of a committee, DR. Was Johnson on the committee?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:13:20 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Yes.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:13:25 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> I'm working from home too, but starting the 17th I'll be back at the office every other day
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:13:51 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> (that knowing Latin, rather)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:13:55 PM EDT] <bynw> yeah and ever since her sister crossed the rainbow bridge 2 years ago. she's gotten used to being the only fur child. and doesnt like it when we leave for any length of time. she likes her peoples home with her.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:13:57 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Probably, Angsthase. Johnson was a snob.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:13:59 PM EDT] <DesertRose>
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:14:00 PM EDT] <derynifank> Maybe we should have stuck with thee, thy and thou which were not gender specific
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:14:12 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Neither is "you."
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:14:22 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Royalty was always "your"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:14:33 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> I suppose that is progress, Evie
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:14:35 PM EDT] <DesertRose> But "they" is a lot more neutral than "he/she."
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:14:43 PM EDT] <bynw> so my poor Kags will just have to be home with her mom and not her dad. she'll not like it one bit
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:14:58 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Kagi-kitty is daddy's girl.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:15:19 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Appearing to be for "People Like Me" is an important part of marketing, whether a product or person. If using mis-applied Latin grammar and not ending sentences with prepositions makes one seem a member of the more affluent and educated class, it might be a significant advantage in some circumstances.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:15:43 PM EDT] <DesertRose> True.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:16:47 PM EDT] <bynw> DR, she became a daddy's girl after Andi passed who used to totally dominate the access
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:16:56 PM EDT] <KK> Use of proper grammar can, indeed, be a marker for the more affluent and educated.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:16:57 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> (and a disadvantage in others; this is reportedly a struggle for teachers attempting to teach "proper English" in an environment where being part of the in-group means using dialectical variants and "proper English" is associated with those who would harm one)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:17:01 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Sort of, Jerusha? Our COVID cases are rising rather than falling at the moment, so returning to a campus that is also the leading hospital in my city will be interesting. The building is locked up like Fort Knox to anyone without an official reason to be there.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:17:33 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Do you know the story of the man who rebuked Winston churchill for ending a sentence with a preposition" Churchiil replied, "That is the sort of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:17:42 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Do your best to stay safe, Evie
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:17:47 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I do love that quotation, The Bee
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:17:50 PM EDT] <KK> Yes!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:18:05 PM EDT] <KK> But sometimes the correct form is so awkward....
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:18:11 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Love that quote
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:18:21 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Take all the necessary precautions, Evie.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:18:39 PM EDT] <derynifank> Take care Evie. If cases are still rising maybe they will delay the return to the office
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:19:15 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I think often the awkwardness is a product of unfamiliarity?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:19:36 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I like George Orwell's advice; having set forth a boatload of rules about writing, the last rule is "if it sounds awkward or doesn't flow, forget the rules."
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:19:51 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Or at least disregard them
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:19:55 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> We are. We have staggered shifts so no more than three or four staff will be in the office on any given day, and we won't see students in person unless they are in crisis or emergency. Otherwise it's distance counseling via the HIPAA compliant version of Zoom.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:19:55 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Yup.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:20:18 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Mask up and wash those hands, Evie! And stay safe.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:20:27 PM EDT] <DesertRose> How is DS doing, Evie?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:20:30 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Hopefully there are not too many emergencies
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:20:35 PM EDT] <DesertRose> (And DD, but I thought of DS since he's a nurse.)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:20:49 PM EDT] <derynifank> I didn't know there was a HIPPA compliant version of Zoom
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:20:58 PM EDT] <KK> I was thinking about him just the other day. Is he safe, thus far?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:00 PM EDT] <The_Bee> ??
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:06 PM EDT] <bynw> yeah i didnt know there was one either for Zoom
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:10 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Yup, but I think you have to be a medical practice to get it.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:14 PM EDT] <The_Bee> to HIPPA
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:17 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> "Was that the party you wanted to go to?"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:17 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> "Was that the party to which you wanted to go?"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:17 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> "Was that the party you wanted to attend?"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:21 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I've had a number of medical appointments that way.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:34 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> We have standard issue PPE too, including a surface disinfectant so strong we've been told to glove up before using the wipes. And provided with the gloves to do so. It's a health clinic. They don't play.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:40 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> There are a few HIPPA compliant videoconferencing services.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:21:49 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Person Centred Tech reviews them
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:22:00 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, Bee.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:22:01 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> This is all good, Evie
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:22:16 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Good, Evie!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:22:17 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> (most HIPPA compliant technology will also comply with Canadian privacy laws, so it's worth looking)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:22:27 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Thanks, DR.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:22:31 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Well, not good, but under the cirucmstances, you know.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:22:57 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Where are you from, Angsthase?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:23:18 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> <https://personcenteredtech.com/pct_vendorreview_tag/videoconferencing/>
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:23:29 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I live near Toronto, Jerusha
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:23:44 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Ah, a southerner. I am in Northern Ontario
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:23:58 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I went to university at Lakehead 🙂
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:23:59 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Yeah, the medical privacy laws cross a number of borders fairly well; if it's protected health information, it's going to be handled similarly most places, I think.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:24:03 PM EDT] * bynw doesnt think of anything in Canada as "southern"
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:24:18 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Tsk, tsk, Bynw
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:24:21 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Parts of Canada are further south than Northern California
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:24:34 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> But not many
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:24:41 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> True.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:24:41 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> There is a compliant version, but it's not free. The University pays for us to be able to do it. And DS is fine, although I haven't seen him since Father's Day, since he gets too much Covid exposure at work despite being in a unit that screens to keep Covid positive patients out as much as possible to protect the negative testing cardiac patients
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:25:13 PM EDT] <bynw> but on the plus side my favorite band came from Toronto
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:25:13 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Yeah, that's one of the things that really sucks. I don't know how much I'll see of the Pod-Child once she starts her new job.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:25:32 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> New job?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:25:33 PM EDT] <KK> Where will she be working?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:25:38 PM EDT] <The_Bee> If yoou test negative on a cardiogram, does that mean you're heartless?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:25:49 PM EDT] <DesertRose> UF hospital in Gainesville.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:26:06 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> LOL! I presume they don't test negative on having a heart. 😂
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:26:07 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Oh dear, Bee!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:26:17 PM EDT] <derynifank> Whwn does she start?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:26:19 PM EDT] <DesertRose> She's already got an apartment there, and I think the furniture she lacks is being delivered this week.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:26:30 PM EDT] <DesertRose> I'm not sure off the top of my head, but within a week or so now.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:26:52 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> What is DD doing, Evie? Still looking at being a pastry chef?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:26:56 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Testing negative on having a literal heart = double-plus ungood
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:27:23 PM EDT] <DesertRose> Or at minimum, incompatible with living. :/
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:27:30 PM EDT] <bynw> zombie
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:27:41 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> 🧛
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:28:07 PM EDT] <KK> Don't zombies still have hearts? I know they wouldn't beat.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:28:19 PM EDT] <bynw> some might not
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:28:35 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> They march to the beat of a different drummer?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:28:36 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> I think cardiograms are like Jurassic Park dinosaurs: they only see motion?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:28:57 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> (or, well, associated electrical activity)
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:29:10 PM EDT] <The_Bee> You can put a zombi to rest by feeding them salt.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:29:36 PM EDT] <derynifank> Do they shrivel up from the salt?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:29:56 PM EDT] <bynw> only if they are zombie slugs
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:30:02 PM EDT] <KK> Sort of like a slug?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:30:22 PM EDT] <The_Bee> I don't know. I've never tried it on an actual zombi.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:30:32 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> DD is currently working at a sushi restaurant, though looking at other options. The bakery had to lay her and all non-management staff when we had stay at home orders a couple of months ago, but they have since reopened. It wasn't the best work environment, though, so she didn't try to go back there.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:30:53 PM EDT] * bynw wonders how he can include zombies into GotP
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:30:57 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> She recently moved into a house with several of her friends
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:31:33 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> No zombies in GotP. Feyd is enough to worry about!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:31:34 PM EDT] <derynifank> We have enough problems in GotP. Don't think we need to add zombies
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:31:58 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Though I suppose Valerian could come back as a zombie
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:32:05 PM EDT] <The_Bee> bynw--could an evil Deryni put a spell on someone to make them act like a zombi?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:32:23 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Valerian is supposed to ensure restful sleep, though?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:32:33 PM EDT] <bynw> probably. be a form of mind control
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:32:50 PM EDT] <derynifank> Bee, don't give him any evil ideals
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:33:00 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Valerian was good at ensuring eternal sleep, if that counts
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:33:25 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Then rising as a zombie would be incompatible, is all I'm suggesting
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:33:27 PM EDT] <The_Bee> depends on thedose, I assume.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:34:35 PM EDT] <The_Bee> sleep vs death
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:34:59 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> On that note, I must go. DH has the campfire started. I would rather he did not roast my chair
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:35:15 PM EDT] <bynw> camp fires are small
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:35:18 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Be well, Jerusha
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:35:19 PM EDT] <derynifank> nite Jerusha
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:35:20 PM EDT] <bynw> bonfires are BIG
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:35:27 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Bye!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:35:33 PM EDT] <bynw> but it's not a bonfire unless you can see it from space
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:35:42 PM EDT] <Eris> <Jerusha2> Only when DH is playing with fire. GASP!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:35:47 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Would it be a malfire, then?
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:36:03 PM EDT] <bynw> have fun Jerusha
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:36:04 PM EDT] <The_Bee> Good night, JERUSHA
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:36:16 PM EDT] <KK> I think I'd better go, too. I need to call Cameron and let him know about the great flood. And get some supper. See you all next week!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:36:29 PM EDT] <Eris> <Angsthase> Thank you for coming, @KK
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:36:35 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> And I just heard my dinner time go off
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:36:41 PM EDT] <derynifank> Nite KK, Have a good week
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:36:41 PM EDT] * KK steps onto her Portal, waves goodnight, and disappears in a shower of green sparkles.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:36:50 PM EDT] <KK> Thanks, I'
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:36:59 PM EDT] <bynw> night KK, thanks for coming!
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:37:02 PM EDT] <KK> ll do my best. Nighters, all.
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:37:05 PM EDT] <The_Bee> nIGHTERS, kk. THANKS FOR COMING. sorry for shouting; caps lock on
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:37:06 PM EDT] <derynifank> So glad you were here Evie, we have missed you. Take care
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:37:09 PM EDT] <Eris> <Evie> Bye KK
[Sunday, August 9, 2020] [8:37:30 PM EDT] Quit KK has left this server (Quit: https://mibbit.com Online IRC Client).