A complete genealogical breakdown of Haldane's & MacRorie's frm Camber to Kelson

[Popi]

I would like to see if Katherine has yet made a complete generalogical breakdown of the Haldane's and MacRorie's from Camber to Kelson.  Does anyone know is this is available?

[lenni]

Popi,

I would like to see if Katherine has yet made a complete generalogical breakdown of the Haldane's and MacRorie's from Camber to Kelson.  Does anyone know is this is available?

Well, no, but sort of if you gather together information that is in the various books, mostly Codex Derynianus.

We know of at least one way that Kelson Haldane is descended from Camber MacRorie - through Rhy and Evaine's child Rhysel.  Kelson may be descended from Camber other ways, but we don't know.  There is a lot of vagueness (missing information!) regarding Camber's descendants in the Codices.

Rebecca Davis' fine Web site - <http://www.mindspring.com/~rebldavis/home.html> - allows you to rummage through most of the known genealogy as of Codex Derynianus (the original).

If you'd like, I can give you a more direct listing of this (Camber -> Kelson) taken from both editions of Codex Derynianus.

Kathleen

[lancingboy]

Thanks for the website and information. I'm surprised nobody else has asked this question yet (from what little I've seen on the site so far. I'm totally new here and didn't even know they had forums for the Deryni series. I happened upon it by accident when I was Googling it.

[tenworld]

its been talked about in the distant past a lot on the abandoned Usenet site.  I assume you also know Morgan and Duncan are descended from Camber so they are cousins with kelson, probably several times (just as Duncan And Morgan are first cousins by their Deryni mother and 3rd cousins by their non-Deryni fathers).  I think.

funny I was rereading Deryni Checkmate and noticed the similarity between abandoned sites.  So today's Scammers are descendants of Cinhil's regents apparently. 

[Laurna]

Some times I get a kick out of following guests viewing old topics, I end up reading topics I have never read before.
I might be about 16 years late, but I would love to answer this question with this Link.
https://rhemuthcastle.com/index.php/topic,1439.0.html

and there are many more like it. Just a hobby of mine.

[Bynw]

I don't think KK has made that family tree yet. Unless she has it in some notes that no one has every seen. Ask her during chat!

[Laurna]

Yes, KK has made the connections in her notes. She actually entrusted me with a part of her genealogy trees and the connections are in there.   I am almost 100% certain that she will make it clear when The Road to Killingford is published. Fingers crossed.

[LeDuc]

I have the soft 2nd edition Codex Derynianus, and a printed out copy of the genealogies. It is possible, in addition to all the books, to 'track back' any individual family line and tree, and have done so for Liam-Lajos King of Torenth, Kelson and Araxie, King and Queen Consort of Gwynnedd, and a partial, unproven, connective line for Oksana, Duchess Consort of Laas.
Genealogy and its research run deep in my family, so this is much enjoyed.
Anyone with questions, message me, and I'll research it out.

[Laurna]

The Codex was written in timeline order, therefore, the best way to decipher the codex is to start at the oldest family lines first.

But I personally like playing with descendant graphs. So after figuring it all out, I have the Descendant lists of persons connecting Prince Javan Uthyr Richard Urien Haldane, Hereditary Prince of Gwynedd, Prince of Meara,  to Camber MacRorie, Earl of Culdi

All Lists share the early Generations, after Tiphane Ainslie-FitzArthur Quinnell the lines split between two daughters who both carried the line. Their children merge in later generations.  One is a nine generation gap, two are 10 generation gaps and two are 12 generations gaps:


9 Generations Gap)
1) Javan Haldane, Araxie Haldane-Haldane, Richard Haldane, King Malcolm Haldane, King Urien Haldane, Swynbeth FitzArthur Quennell-Haldane, Tiphane Ainslie-FitzArthur Quinnell, Rhysel Thuryn-Ainslie, Evaine MacRorie-Thuryn, Camber MacRorie.

10 Generations gap)
2) Javan Haldane, King Kelson Haldane, King Brion Haldane, King Donal Haldane, King Malcolm Haldane, King Urien Haldane, Swynbeth FitzArthur Quinnell-Haldane, Tiphane Ainslie-FitzArthur Quinnell, Rhysel Thuryn-Ainslie, Evaine MacRorie-Thuryn, Camber MacRorie.

3) Javan Haldane, Araxie Haldane-Haldane, Richard Haldane, Cecilia Calder-Haldane, Prassana FitzArthur Quinnell-Calder, (Best Guess Prassana is either Tambert's daughter or his sister- the Codex is unclear)Tambert II FitzArthur Quinnell, Fane FitzArthur Quinnell, Tiphane Ainslie-FitzArthur Quinnell, Rhysel Thuryn-Ainslie, Evaine MacRorie-Thuryn, Camber MacRorie.

12 Generation gap)
4) Javan Haldane, King Kelson Haldane, King Brion Haldane, Richeldis MacFaolane Gruffud-Haldane, King Colman MacFaolan, King Fergus MacFaolan, King Bresal MacFaolan, Tiphanelle Haldane-MacFaolan, Swynbeth FitzArthur Quinnell-Haldane, Tiphane Ainslie-FitzArthur Quinnell, Rhysel Thuryn-Ainslie, Evaine MacRorie-Thuryn, Camber MacRorie. 
   
5) Javan Haldane, King Kelson Haldane, King Brion Haldane, Richeldis MacFaolane Gruffud-Haldane, King Colman MacFaolan, Lissa McLain-MacFaolan, Tairchell McLain, Roger McLain, Nerina FitzArthur Quinnell-MacLain, Tiphane Ainslie-FitzArthur Quinnell, Rhysel Thuryn Ainslie, Evaine MacRorie-Thuryn, Camber MacRorie.


The women's maiden name is Hyphenated it first position.

I can do this for Alaric and Duncan too if anyone would like that.