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#21
Deryni Magic / Shape Changing Magic
Last post by Bynw - July 10, 2025, 12:58:31 PM
A topic came up in our game chat and I think it deserves a wider range of community involvement and thought. So the question concerns Shape Changing.

Deryni Magic clearly tells us that Shape Changing is both a combination of illusion and physical changes.

The subject must be roughly the same height and build in order to change into someone known. You cannot shape change a tall man into a dwarf. And there is no canon reference of any Deryni using Shape Change to take the shape of an animal or object.

These are the known limitations in the use of this fantastic power.

We can deduce that it changes the voice of the user as well. Otherwise everyone would have noticed that Alister sounds exactly like Camber. Or that Brother John sounded exactly like Evaine.

The question was raised, what about dogs? Dogs and other animals recognize people as friend or foe based on smell. (Some like crows and some insects due use sight to recognize others so they could be fooled.) But could a dog be fooled?

We have nothing in canon that states one way or the other. On this question. Now was it left out because dogs too are fooled or was it left out because the author didn't want to bother with it.

"Historically," we know that the time period presented across the novels did have a lot of dogs in use. Humans and Deryni kept dogs for hunting and guarding their homes. My dogs bark like crazy when they encounter someone that is not known to them. Even if they can't smell them.

We know that a Deryni wouldn't have any problem dealing with an animal that smells them as their true-self even though they look like someone else. A little rapport and the dogs will be eating out of your hand.

But we know that there have been cases when a Deryni has placed a Shape Change over someone else. A human or a blocked Deryni. Neither of these would be able to easily convince the dog.

Let's take for example Stefan Coram. He chanced on the opportunity to take the memories and shape of Rhydon of Eastmarch. And lived as him for many years. But when he first took the man's shape. He would have to go "home" to Eastmarch.

Did the Eastmarch dogs react to him as they would to their master Rhydon? Or did the smell an unfamiliar person and reacted negatively to him? Likewise, the same question arises when Stefan/Rhydon goes to Torenth and Wencit. Wencit's dogs may know the scent of Rhydon but does Stefan smell like Stefan or does the magic make him smell like Rhydon or nothing at all?

These and similar questions popped up the other day in chat and are now presented to the full community to discuss.
#22
The Legends of Camber of Culdi / Re: memes?
Last post by Bynw - July 08, 2025, 07:43:10 PM
#23
The Legends of Camber of Culdi / Re: memes?
Last post by DoctorM - July 08, 2025, 07:29:08 PM
Yes-- I'd love to see a section of memes!
#24
The Legends of Camber of Culdi / Re: memes?
Last post by Marc_du_Temple - July 08, 2025, 03:31:58 PM
Memes are always a welcome addition! I throw a few in on the discord where I feel they might be useful. A dedicated part of the forum might be even better.
#25
The Legends of Camber of Culdi / Re: memes?
Last post by Ronan - July 02, 2025, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: tmcd on July 02, 2025, 06:40:02 PMIs it possible to insert an image from your own hard drive, or do you have to upload it to a site like Tumblr and then use "Insert an image" (which appears to accept only a URL)?

i found that i had to host it elsewhere and use the url!
#26
The Legends of Camber of Culdi / Re: memes?
Last post by tmcd - July 02, 2025, 06:40:02 PM
Is it possible to insert an image from your own hard drive, or do you have to upload it to a site like Tumblr and then use "Insert an image" (which appears to accept only a URL)?
#27
The Legends of Camber of Culdi / Re: memes?
Last post by DoctorM - July 02, 2025, 03:57:03 PM
I love this.



Quote from: Ronan on July 02, 2025, 12:29:05 AMOkay so I couldn't find a dedicated board for silly stuff (if there is one), but I've just started my latest reread and I thought this might be more appreciated here than on my tumblr, lol



(I didn't actually stop reading, I just took a break to make this. ;) I never fail to be utterly floored by the prologue)
#28
The Legends of Camber of Culdi / Re: memes?
Last post by revanne - July 02, 2025, 08:24:00 AM
Love it. We are all for silly stuff here.
#29
The Legends of Camber of Culdi / memes?
Last post by Ronan - July 02, 2025, 12:29:05 AM
Okay so I couldn't find a dedicated board for silly stuff (if there is one), but I've just started my latest reread and I thought this might be more appreciated here than on my tumblr, lol



(I didn't actually stop reading, I just took a break to make this. ;) I never fail to be utterly floored by the prologue)
#30
2004 Archive / KKChat -- 11 January 2004
Last post by Bynw - June 30, 2025, 09:27:24 PM
[16:44] * KK has joined #Deryni_Destinations
[16:44] * KK sets mode: +q KK
[16:44] <DeryniBot> Paddy flies down from the bell tower to greet KK
[16:44] <Duke_of_bad_examples> im in the USA too
[16:44] <Bynw> WHOOOT Katherine!!!!
[16:44] <Shiral> Hello, Katherine! Happy New Year
[16:45] <RainbowDragon> Greetings, Katherine
[16:45] <Debbie-VB> Hi Katherine
[16:45] <Duke_of_bad_examples> hi katherine
[16:45] <KK> Hello, and Happy New Year!
[16:45] <the_Bee> Hello Katherine :)
[16:45] <Tieg> greetings Katherine
[16:45] <Debbie-VB> Happy (hic) New Year right back
[16:45] <Duke_of_bad_examples> wow, finally get 2 meet u
[16:45] <Shiral> How has 2004 treated you so far, KK?
[16:45] <KK> Well, other than my computer having been Cameronized over
the Christmas holiday....
[16:45] <Shiral> Debbie, that's enough champagne for you!
[16:45] <Christophle> I'm in Lancishire. Which is Just over the Irish
sea from Co Wicklow. And the Irony is That I've Been going ape for the
books and KK is just over the water from me!!!!
[16:46] <Christophle> Hi Katherine
[16:46] <wrengl> hi katherine
[16:46] <wrengl> happy new year
[16:46] <Debbie-VB> ???Cameronised???? did he expropriate it while
home?
[16:46] <KK> Well, hello and welcome, Christophle!
[16:46] <Shiral> Christophle just discovered the chat room and the
website, KK
[16:47] <Christophle> Hi Katherine, I've just found the web site &
chat room
[16:47] <KK> He upgraded my Windows ME to 2000, plus my Norton, and in
the process set all kinds of high-ranking security settings, so that
for a while, I could hardly even pick up e-mail.
[16:47] <Christophle> Opss
[16:47] <the_Bee> Duke was here once before, setting bad examples ;-)
[16:48] <Shiral> Sounds serious, KK =o)
[16:48] <Bynw> well going from Windows ME to 2k is a good thing
[16:48] * the_Bee is still on windows 98
[16:48] <Debbie-VB> Even Micro$oft brass admit ME was a POS
[16:48] <KK> I thought I had it sorted out, but just now, I had a
devil of a time even getting online. Had to go through my dialup,
then through my MIRC icon. Ordinarily, I can just double-click on the
icon, and it prompts me to connect.
[16:49] <wrengl> i went from 98 to XP in 2002
[16:49] <the_Bee> Debbie: who??
[16:49] <Christophle> xp is fab
[16:49] <wrengl> yes
[16:49] <wrengl> i like it
[16:49] <Duke_of_bad_examples> grrr, stupid tea
[16:49] <KK> I understand that ME is no longer supported, as of Jan.
1--so I sort of had to upgrade.
[16:49] <Bynw> XP is good ... ME is junk
[16:49] <Duke_of_bad_examples> me was the xp prototype that made it to
market
[16:49] * Sedina has joined #Deryni_Destinations
[16:49] <DeryniBot> Sedina has caught a rare Lehr cat and enters the
chat with it on a leash
[16:50] <Shiral> Hi Sedina
[16:50] <KK> But I understand that upgrading from ME to XP can cause
problems.
[16:50] <Debbie-VB> Hi Sedina
[16:50] <wrengl> hi sedina
[16:50] <Sedina> hello :)
[16:50] <Duke_of_bad_examples> ya, hi
[16:50] <KK> Hi, Sedina.
[16:50] <Bynw> hiyas cuz
[16:50] <Christophle> Hi
[16:50] <Debbie-VB> I had no problems upgrading from ME to WP
[16:50] <Shiral> Upgrades can make you tear your hair out
[16:50] <Debbie-VB> XP
[16:50] <wrengl> i had to do the upgrade because 98 would not work
with my dsl
[16:51] <wrengl> did you get any writing done, katherine?
[16:51] <KK> Big problem was that 2000 wiped out my address book--but
he was able to retrieve it with a program he pulled off the
internet--for $30!
[16:51] <KK> I lost all my filed e-mail messages, though.
[16:51] * Debbie-VB thinks back to her first computer, a half-a-beast
running on 98
[16:51] <Shiral> Thank goodness, KK!
[16:51] <wrengl> i am actually working on Chapter 6!
[16:51] <wrengl> that happened to me when i upgraded
[16:51] <Shiral> Is that like Eric the Half-a bee, debbie?
[16:52] * wrengl remembers her first computer -- a tandy 1000ex with
no hard drive
[16:52] <Debbie-VB> no, in this case it was a 333 mega-hertz processor
[16:52] <Duke_of_bad_examples> lol
[16:52] <KK> My first was an Apple IIe.
[16:52] <Christophle> Katherine I was tellin' the room that I've JUST
managed to get your books again after a gap of about ten years 'cause
the stopped printing them here in the UK.
[16:53] <KK> I need to get more memory for my laptop. He insisted on
upgrading it, too--even though I never go online with it, and only use
it for word processing.
[16:53] <wrengl> glad you found them and us christophle
[16:53] <Shiral> Cameron out of control!
[16:53] <wrengl> lol
[16:53] <Christophle> Athough I'm waiting for " King Javans year"
[16:53] <Debbie-VB> Chris, they stopped printing them in the US too.
Most of katherine's catalogue is out of print right now :-(
[16:53] <KK> Cameron definitely has a mind of his own.
[16:53] <Shiral> And glad that KK managed to join us, today
[16:53] <wrengl> computer geek goes home to visit the folks
[16:53] <wrengl> i see a story in that
[16:53] <the_Bee> does XP make dial-up or modem connections work any
faster/better?
[16:53] <Duke_of_bad_examples> nah
[16:54] <KK> I think I've got spare copies of King Javan's Year,
Christophle.
[16:54] <KK> Yep, Wrengl.
[16:54] <Christophle> Ohhhh......
[16:54] * Shiral hands KK a cup of hot, perfectly brewed virtual Earl
Grey
[16:54] <wrengl> bee, one of the problems with XP is that some of the
old programs do not work with it
[16:54] <Shiral> BRB
[16:54] <Duke_of_bad_examples> im drinking yoga tea... has some sort
of enlightening herb in it
[16:54] <Christophle> Oh earl gray!!!! Shades of Picard there?
[16:54] <Debbie-VB> Pat's that's called planned obsolescence
[16:55] <wrengl> lol
[16:55] <wrengl> indeed
[16:55] <KK> For those unaware, Cameron is my son; works in network
security in Los Angeles.
[16:55] <the_Bee> most of the programs on my desktop, I haven't a clue
what they're for
[16:55] * Kiri` has joined #Deryni_Destinations
[16:55] <DeryniBot> Paddy flies down from the bell tower to greet
Kiri`
[16:55] <wrengl> although i found drivers for the soundcard, printer
and scanner
[16:55] <Kiri`> afternoon everyone
[16:55] <wrengl> hi kiri
[16:55] * Bynw is gonna have to step away from the computer screen ...
migraine causing problems :(
[16:55] <Debbie-VB> I have been discovering how to use Word 2000
[16:55] <wrengl> then i dumped the printer and bought a new one anyway
[16:55] <Kiri`> oh poor bynw. go take care hi to tika!
[16:55] * the_Bee sends bynw migraine-relief woodgies
[16:55] <wrengl> i have the equivalent of Office Premium 2000
[16:56] <KK> Hi, Kiri. I started manicuring the DC files over the
holidays; got through about 6 chapters on first pass.
[16:56] <Kiri`> wow. nice going.
[16:56] <Christophle> Katherine, How do you like Co Wicklow. My family
tree is from Co Cavern.
[16:56] <Shiral> Hi Kiri
[16:56] <KK> Also, I finally have the starting point for the new book,
and even a few pages written.
[16:57] <Debbie-VB> YAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[16:57] <Duke_of_bad_examples> how is the castle Katherine?
[16:57] <KK> Wicklow is beautiful; the Garden of Ireland.
[16:57] <Kiri`> can I ask what your starting point is?
[16:57] <Shiral> Excellent, KK!
[16:57] <Shiral> Good question, Kiri!
[16:57] <KK> The west wing of the castle now has a roof!
[16:57] <Christophle> FAB
[16:57] <Sedina> wonderful, Katherine
[16:57] <Kiri`> duke of bad examples? oh love it! *grins at the
nickname
[16:57] <Shiral> Marvelosity about the roof
[16:57] <Duke_of_bad_examples> lol, long story
[16:57] <KK> And today we discovered that the fireplace on the 1st
floor (2nd, to US folk) <is> connected to a still-working chimney.
[16:57] <Shiral> KK, I now have a copy of the Russian edition of
Deryni Tales. =o)
[16:58] <Kiri`> Katheirne - any idea when you'll need the last one?
[16:58] <the_Bee> are you the same duke i fought a duel arcane with?
[16:58] <Kiri`> Katherine - that's good news.. working fireplace! =)
[16:58] * Bynw is now known as Bynw[migraine-bbl]
[16:58] <Duke_of_bad_examples> yep
[16:58] <Shiral> Poor Bynw
[16:58] <Bynw[migraine-bbl]> tika is on vacation .... in vegas
[16:58] <wrengl> neat about the fireplace katherine
[16:58] <KK> Woo-hoo! <I> don't even have that yet, Shiral!
[16:58] <Shiral> I haff my sources, Dahlink!
[16:58] <Kiri`> shiral i want to see that. it's on my *list* of items
to get!
[16:58] * Bynw[migraine-bbl] goes to lie down
[16:58] <KK> Not for at least 6 mo., Kiri--though sooner is better
than later.
[16:59] <wrengl> take care bynw
[16:59] <Kiri`> Katherine ok. i'll have it ready when you're ready
for it.. =)
[16:59] <Shiral> It's quite thick, a hardcover book, and it has
attractive cover art that appears entirely unrelated to the Tales =o)
[16:59] <Shiral> It's quite amusing to see the familiar map with all
Russian writing for the place names
[17:00] <KK> I'll bet.
[17:00] <Duke_of_bad_examples> lol
[17:00] * Kiri` puts down hot tea, clotted cream and scones and
repostulates the phrase.. so what is your starting point? *sits back
all ears*
[17:00] <KK> I expect I'll receive my copies very soon.
[17:00] <the_Bee> shiral, do you read Russian?
[17:00] <Shiral> "Meara" looks like "MeaPa"
[17:00] <Shiral> No, Bee
[17:00] <Christophle> I like the cover pic of the hardback version of
" Harrowing..."
[17:00] <Debbie-VB> But wait till you get it translated and find out
that it is now Gwennedski
[17:00] <Shiral> But I'm a compulsive completist
[17:00] <Kiri`> shiral.. it's your work in there.. you Should have a
copy! =)
[17:00] <Shiral> I agree, Kiri
[17:02] <Duke_of_bad_examples> well, i got 2 go... its been short and
interisting KK... i hope 2 see u again!
[17:02] <KK> Three years after the infamous 12th Night when Septimus
colluded in the death of Krispin, as his brother Bishop Oliver kneels
at his grave and nurses bitterness toward Deryni in general and Alyce
in particular.
[17:02] <Shiral> There is an English title page, facing the Russian
title page, and the occasional identifying English sentence, but
otherwise it's all Russain
[17:02] <Christophle> shiral, you are not the Liverpudlian one from "
Deryni tales"???
[17:02] <Shiral> Bye Duke of bad Examples
[17:02] * Duke_of_bad_examples Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[17:02] <Kiri`> nice seeing you duke of be!
[17:02] <wrengl> Katherine the Three Kings left us a triple surprise
this year
[17:02] <Shiral> Uh-oh, Katherine... <G>
[17:03] <Kiri`> Katherine - ooh sounds good.
[17:03] <Shiral> No, but I am in the Tales, Christophle
[17:03] <Shiral> "Dhugal at Court" is my story
[17:03] <KK> Not three kittens, I hope?
[17:03] <Debbie-VB> A triple surprise pat?
[17:03] <Kiri`> which was chosen over "Dhugal at the Spa" *flees*
[17:03] <wrengl> you got it, katherine
[17:03] * Tieg Quit (User has been mind-ripped)
[17:03] * Tieg2 has joined #Deryni_Destinations
[17:03] <DeryniBot> Tieg2 has caught a rare Lehr cat and enters the
chat with it on a leash
[17:03] <Christophle> Got you EM
[17:03] <Shiral> BAD Kiri, no Biscuit!
[17:03] <KK> You're kidding!
[17:03] <wrengl> Gold, Frankenscense, and Myrrh!
[17:04] <wrengl> a brown tabby, a light silver, and a silver
[17:04] <Kiri`> but i can't have the biscuit anyway! =)
[17:04] <KK> KIttens in the appropriate colours?
[17:04] <Kiri`> giggles
[17:04] <Shiral> Three Kittens? Have I missed something?
[17:04] <wrengl> yes, shiral
[17:04] <Kiri`> pat wow! congrats!
[17:04] <KK> Ooooh! Cute!
[17:04] <wrengl> Madam presented us with three kittens
[17:04] <KK> How old?
[17:04] <Shiral> Awww...I just luv wittle kitties...
[17:04] <the_Bee> how'd you get them?
[17:05] <wrengl> complete with the M on their foreheads
[17:05] <Debbie-VB> how are thumper and Gromett taking to the idea?
[17:05] <wrengl> little mary Kittens
[17:05] <Kiri`> awwww
[17:05] * Shiral has a soft spot for tabbies..
[17:05] <wrengl> Madam got raped, Bee
[17:05] <Shiral> Oh dear...
[17:05] <Kiri`> isn't that just always the way
[17:05] * Debbie-VB has a soft spot for kittens, period
[17:05] <the_Bee> are you sure is wasn't consensual?
[17:05] <KK> They don't usually birth kittens in the dead of
winter--speaking of which, I understand you guys are having quite a
one.
[17:05] <Christophle> Little mar kittens??? Am I missin' some thing
[17:06] * Shiral sends ear scritches to all Holybrook kitties
[17:06] <the_Bee> Wrengl's cat had kittens
[17:06] <Debbie-VB> We actually had SNOW here in Vancouver!!!!!!!!!
[17:06] <Kiri`> is snow in vancouver unsual?
[17:06] <KK> I understand that Boston set a new record.
[17:06] <wrengl> tabby kittens, christophle, have an M on their
foreheads
[17:06] <the_Bee> Yup
[17:06] <Shiral> Right over their eyes and the bridges of their noses
[17:06] <wrengl> supposed to be mary's kittens or something like that
[17:06] <KK> And M is for Mary--so they're Marian kittens.
[17:07] <Debbie-VB> Actually we usually get one snowfall a year, which
brings everything to a standstill
[17:07] <Kiri`> oh tha'ts what that means.. i thought perhaps it mean
little girl kittens or somethign
[17:07] <wrengl> yes it got down to 1F here yesterday morning
[17:07] <the_Bee> supposed to warm up
[17:07] <KK> What genders?
[17:07] <Shiral> No snow here, but the end of December and the
beginning of January were unusually chilly for us
[17:07] <wrengl> do not know yet
[17:07] <Christophle> oh right... sorry never had a cat. I was on a
totally different tangent!!!
[17:08] <KK> When were they actually born?
[17:08] <Shiral> Cats tend to crop up often around here, Christophle
[17:08] <wrengl> and she moved them amongst the boxes in the Maid's
Room next to the kitchen so we cannot get at them now
[17:08] <KK> Yup, most of us are cat fans.
[17:08] <wrengl> actually 7 january
[17:08] <Shiral> How do you feel about Chocolate, Christophle? That's
another popular topic around here =o)
[17:08] <wrengl> but close enough, just took the kings longer to get
to our house
[17:09] <Christophle> AGH... can't stand it!!
[17:09] <the_Bee> My sister's cat insisted on raising her kittens in
the drawer where Mom kept the cleaning rags
[17:09] <wrengl> lol
[17:09] <wrengl> sounds like a cat
[17:09] <KK> Then, they'd be--er--triskadecath night kittens.
[17:09] <Kiri`> this was a bit amusing.. my current back doctor siad
that perhaps i should consider going down to San Diego and working
with the dolphons and whales.. she's never had a patient who's got
such rapport with animals before (as the office dog scratched on the
exam room door)
[17:10] <wrengl> madam moved them first from their birthing spot to
Spook's Hidey Hole
[17:10] <Christophle> Ahm...Shiral. I'm I still in the right place if
I've never had a cat and dont eat Chocalate??
[17:10] <Kiri`> yes chris.. =)
[17:10] <wrengl> so kathi made spook a fleece nest by a radiator
[17:10] <Shiral> Yeah, you'll do. You love the Deryni books, and
that's the main thing
[17:10] <Debbie-VB> Don't worry Pat, she'll present them when she
thinks they are ready
[17:11] <Christophle> Whew...
[17:11] <wrengl> spook took one look at her grandkittens and ran the
other way
[17:11] <Shiral> A person of questionable taste, perhaps, but if you
enjoy the books, it's all cool. =o)
[17:11] <the_Bee> Peeps are an acceptable alternative to chocolate.
And Wrengl is a dog-lover AND a cat-lover
[17:11] <Christophle> Ta
[17:11] <KK> Adult cats who are not the mom usually think kittens are
some alien life form, created to annoy them.
[17:11] <wrengl> or she thinks, WE are ready
[17:11] <wrengl> or deserving
[17:11] <Kiri`> grins at KK"s comment
[17:12] <wrengl> yes indeed
[17:12] * jp has joined #Deryni_Destinations
[17:12] <DeryniBot> jp uses a Transfer Portal to join the chat in
#Deryni_Destinations
[17:12] <Shiral> So when the new book opens, Alaric is out of his
infancy, then, KK?
[17:12] <KK> Hi, JP.
[17:12] <wrengl> hi jp
[17:12] <Debbie-VB> Come to think of it, that describes most adult
human's reactions to young children that are not thirs
[17:12] <the_Bee> hi jp
[17:12] <Shiral> Hi JP
[17:12] <Christophle> Questionable taste!
[17:12] <wrengl> verra true debbie
[17:12] <jp> evening all
[17:13] <Sedina> speaking of kittens, I'll brb... Bueller has managed
to lose his toy mouse under the stove and he's going to keep up his
pathetic meowing until I get it out for him
[17:13] <KK> Yep, but Bronwyn is not yet conceived.
[17:13] <Kiri`> i see Beuller has Sedina trained..
[17:13] <Shiral> Well, one kid at a time. I'm sure Alaric was enough
for any parents to handle
[17:13] <wrengl> lol shiral
[17:13] <Christophle> Is this the first Childe Morgan Book?
[17:13] <Shiral> Bueller?
[17:13] <the_Bee> second
[17:13] <wrengl> just because Kelric is at least eight
handfuls.........
[17:13] <KK> This is the second one I'm just beginning; first one came
out in November.
[17:13] <Debbie-VB> second childe Morgan book. ITKS was #1
[17:14] <the_Bee> first is In the King's Service, out last November
[17:14] <wrengl> In The Kings Service, Chris
[17:14] <Christophle> right
[17:14] <Shiral> Hey, Pat, Kelric obviously got it from his dad. =o)
[17:14] <wrengl> lol
[17:14] <Christophle> got it last week from the US
[17:14] <Debbie-VB> as long as you keep alaric away from the honey jar
[17:14] <wrengl> good
[17:14] <Kiri`> knowing alaric.. he'd have charmed the bees in the
hive!
[17:15] <Kiri`> or is that duncan ;)
[17:15] <Sedina> back...for now, until he knocks it back under the
stove again
[17:15] <wrengl> lol
[17:15] <Shiral> When did you get Bueller, Sedina?
[17:15] <Sedina> Shiral - Bueller (according to my sister) is my
nephew and my mother's grandkitty
[17:15] <jp> I hope that stove's not hot
[17:15] <Shiral> Ah
[17:15] <Sedina> he's just visiting...much to the relief of the girls
[17:16] <wrengl> so Bueller is back visiting, sedina
[17:16] <jp> do you have a cat named Ferris too
[17:16] <wrengl> just ask the girls -- he visits too often
[17:16] <Sedina> oh yeah...and he's surpassed Sadie in size. He's
taller and longer than she is, so he really can pin her now when they
play
[17:16] <the_Bee> LOL
[17:16] * Debbie-VB has a sudden vision of a cat with little kitty
luggage
[17:16] <Shiral> And Donal would be approaching the end of his reign,
I surmise...
[17:17] <Sedina> jp - my sister likes that movie and named him Bueller
just because she wanted to be able to call his name like Ben Stein
does
[17:17] <KK> Yes, but that's still a couple of years away.
[17:17] <jp> KK, why did you decide NOT to have Alaric be Donal's
childe?
[17:18] <Shiral> My friend Judy has a VERY large cat named Sage who
runs her house with an iron paw
[17:18] <KK> Kenneth turned out to be far more noble than I'd
expected, and I just couldn't let him be cuckolded.
[17:18] <jp> :)
[17:18] <Debbie-VB> IIRC, Brion was about 4 at the end of Kings
Service, so three years later he'd be 7 which means that Donal's got
about 7 yrs left
[17:18] * Kiri` is glad to hear that
[17:18] <Christophle> and do we find out what happens to Donels
children. OTHER than Brion and Nigel
[17:18] <Shiral> I'm glad for Kenneth and Alyce's sake =o)
[17:18] <the_Bee> extremely noble, if he and Alyce were that willing
to forgive Donal
[17:18] <KK> Nope, Brion was older than that.
[17:19] <Shiral> Brion was about nine
[17:19] * jp Such a lovely couple
[17:19] <Debbie-VB> My mistake. Me Bad
[17:19] <KK> We find out about some of them.
[17:19] <Shiral> No Debbie good, just can't count
[17:20] <Kiri`> any thoughts on Jiri?
[17:20] <RainbowDragon> Jiri?
[17:20] <jp> Debbie must have ex-display rental fingers to count on
[17:20] <Shiral> Redfearn
[17:20] <Christophle> oh. And will there be books to bridge " Bastard
prince " to " Deryni Rising"
[17:20] <KK> Bastard Prince to ITKS--yes, eventually.
[17:20] <Debbie-VB> We are hoping
[17:21] <Shiral> Major Coolness!
[17:21] <Christophle> FAB
[17:21] <Kiri`> ok so that 3 year sabbatical in Bali will be for the
orin jodotha books? *giggle*
[17:21] <Debbie-VB> 'course, we've got a list of books for katherine
to write that is about a mile long
[17:21] <Christophle> Still wondering who Duncan and Morgan are
decended from..
[17:21] <Kiri`> honestly i think we have her earmarked into the next
century..
[17:22] <KK> Bali is probably one of the <least> likely places I would
ever take a sabbatical; too hot!
[17:22] <Christophle> I.E Jerusha Or Tieg
[17:22] <jp> we may have to help with the task
[17:22] <the_Bee> Live Long and Prosper, Katherine!
[17:22] <Kiri`> KK - well yeah.. but it sure *looks* pretty
[17:22] <Shiral> Katherine, you've got too much writing to do to take
a Sabbatical! =o)
[17:22] <RainbowDragon> :-)
[17:22] <KK> I shall try to do both!
[17:23] * Shiral gives KK the Vulcan salute
[17:23] <the_Bee> Christophle: I thought it was Riesel
[17:23] <jp> don't go growing pointy ears though
[17:23] <Shiral> Oh, pointy ears are rather...distinctive
[17:23] <Christophle> nope shes not a healer
[17:23] <Christophle> its Jerusha
[17:23] <Shiral> Ah, but she could carry Healer genes
[17:24] <the_Bee> but she may carry a recessive Healer gene
[17:24] <Christophle> Oh. latent...
[17:24] <Kiri`> she needs to relax.. where better than somewhere nice
that she doen't have builders and all that where she can relax and
.. =)
[17:24] <Christophle> or recessive?
[17:24] <Shiral> Quiet, soothing surroundings that make it easy to
concentrate....
[17:24] <KK> I think I'd better sign off now. They're coming
tomorrow, early, to cut two doors in the back--big granite-cutting
machines that clamp onto the side of the building. It will probably
be the scariest day of the build.
[17:24] <Kiri`> yikes!
[17:24] <Shiral> And noisiest, too!
[17:24] <Sedina> oh my gosh
[17:25] <Debbie-VB> Tranquilise the fur-kids
[17:25] <jp> enjoy
[17:25] <Kiri`> escape to dublin!
[17:25] <Shiral> Well, Happy New year, and Happy New Book, Katherine!
Write well and build well
[17:25] <Christophle> Try gran canaria. 4 hours from the UK and fab
QUIET beaches
[17:25] <Kiri`> take care katheirne!
[17:25] <Tieg2> best wishes
[17:25] <the_Bee> Hope you have earplugs---for humans and fur-folks
[17:25] <KK> They won't hear it inside--and it gets water sprayed on
the cut while they're doing it. Still, should be fascinating.
[17:25] <Debbie-VB> Thanks for stopping bye Katherine
[17:25] <RainbowDragon> Goodnight, Katherine
[17:25] <Shiral> Thanks for joining us today, as always
[17:25] <Christophle> Bye Katherine
[17:25] <KK> Gran Canaria is also too hot for me!
[17:25] <Debbie-VB> have a great week
[17:25] <Kiri`> scandinavia?
[17:26] <Christophle> I love it!!!!
[17:26] <Shiral> how about the Mediterranean, Katherine? <G>
[17:26] <jp> Lapland
[17:26] <Shiral> A nice villa in the South of France?
[17:26] <Christophle> but I've got other reasons?
[17:26] <the_Bee> a mountain village?
[17:26] <KK> I don't know what it is about Brits and the Irish, always
wanting to flee to hot places and bake in the sun. Having grown up in
So. Florida, I got all that out of my system early, I guess.
[17:26] <Kiri`> a Lakehouse in Geneve?
[17:26] <jp> Rurapente
[17:26] <Shiral> A Swiss Chalet..
[17:27] <Kiri`> north pole.. guest of santa
[17:27] <KK> Cool climes are my favorite.
[17:27] <Shiral> A wee cottage in Scotland...
[17:27] <KK> Hmmm, black and white cat now demanding that I go to bed.
See you next week, folks.
[17:27] <Shiral> Wee, but comfortable and warm
[17:27] <Kiri`> night Katherine!
[17:27] <jp> bye
[17:27] <Shiral> Bye, Katherine!
[17:27] <Sedina> have a good night, Katherine
[17:27] <Christophle> night
[17:27] <Debbie-VB> Nighters, and Sleep Sweet
[17:27] <the_Bee> Skritches to Edward and the others
[17:27] * KK steps onto her Portal, waves good night, and disappears
in a shower of green sparkles.
[17:27] <Shiral> Night, to Edgar, KK
[17:28] * KK Quit