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DoctorM's FanFic / Re: Two Kingdoms 46 - Seeker
Last post by DoctorM - June 17, 2024, 10:30:27 PM
I'm not quite sure that I'd think of Coram as a megalomaniac, but reading the books made me see him as a man whose personal ambitions were tied up with being what I suppose would be something like being specially chosen. And people like that always make me suspicious.

I am always fascinated by the origin story for Deryni. There's so much mystery still!



Quote from: DerynifanK on June 17, 2024, 09:51:36 PMI like this, especially the origin myths that you created. I enjoyed those. Certainly a very different view of Stefan Coram. I had never seen him as a megalomaniac which is how he sounds here. What little I had read about him before made him sound like an enemy of Wencit and a Haldane supporter, not ambitious for himself. Wonder which view is more accurate. I do have to say that the Camberian Council never seemed to me to have much defending of Deryni.
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DoctorM's FanFic / Re: Two Kingdoms 45 - Roadways
Last post by DoctorM - June 17, 2024, 10:27:05 PM
I think that the poor maps are something that really irritates Christian, both as a light-horse commander and as someone who likes knowing what's on the other side of the hill wherever he goes.I'm getting the idea  that he has ambitions for the postwar that would include a school for history and cartography.

I've never been sure how many Portals there are and how many have been created and abandoned or shut down. I get the impression that not everyone who uses or creates them wants them known. I do wonder how long a Portal lasts once created, and if there's a way to create a single-use Portal that closes up once anything has gone through.

But true, you can't get an army through one. Trying to lead a horse through one would be...a feat.

Quote from: DerynifanK on June 17, 2024, 09:33:10 PMI like Brechlin's description of the portals as honeycomb of secret roads for Deryni but I didn't think portals were that wide spread. In fact I thought they were rather sparse in Gwynedd. How did they manage to construct so many? The description of the maps as so unreliable is concerning. Maybe Christian should address that problem. I liked this chapter a lot. I like your characters and how they interact. After all, they can't send an army through portals so more accurate maps seen important.




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DoctorM's FanFic / Re: Two Kingdoms 46 - Seeker
Last post by DerynifanK - June 17, 2024, 09:51:36 PM
I like this, especially the origin myths that you created. I enjoyed those. Certainly a very different view of Stefan Coram. I had never seen him as a megalomaniac which is how he sounds here. What little I had read about him before made him sound like an enemy of Wencit and a Haldane supporter, not ambitious for himself. Wonder which view is more accurate. I do have to say that the Camberian Council never seemed to me to have much defending of Deryni.
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DoctorM's FanFic / Re: Two Kingdoms 45 - Roadways
Last post by DerynifanK - June 17, 2024, 09:33:10 PM
I like Brechlin's description of the portals as honeycomb of secret roads for Deryni but I didn't think portals were that wide spread. In fact I thought they were rather sparse in Gwynedd. How did they manage to construct so many? The description of the maps as so unreliable is concerning. Maybe Christian should address that problem. I liked this chapter a lot. I like your characters and how they interact. After all, they can't send an army through portals so more accurate maps seen important.



#5
DoctorM's FanFic / Re: Two Kingdoms 46 - Seeker
Last post by RiverOtter - June 17, 2024, 03:52:38 PM
I am enjoying this very much. Seeing this world through a different lens makes me appreciate the saying that history is written by the victors.
#6
Chat Logs / KK Chat -- 16 June 2024
Last post by Bynw - June 16, 2024, 07:25:42 PM

[18:11] * web32 (473eb015@CCN-1F686F39.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #Deryni_Destinations
[18:12] <web32> Hello, all.
[18:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Hey, it's our KK! 🙂
[18:12] <The_Bee> HI KK?
[18:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hello!
[18:12] * web32 is now known as KK
[18:12] <KK> Hello, Evie.
[18:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> How you doing today?
[18:12] <KK> And Bee,
[18:12] <The_Bee> How was your week, KK?
[18:13] <KK> And Nezz.
[18:13] <KK> Week was ok.  How about you guys?
[18:13] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Pretty not-so-bad. 🙂
[18:13] <The_Bee> Well, I haven't been kicked out of my apartment lately. And I have a new e-trike.
[18:13] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Week was good. We found a rental house for DD and I'm turning in the deposit tomorrow, so they will have a place to move into when they get back at the end of the month
[18:14] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Finding a house for someone moving from another state is a pain in the asterisk.
[18:15] <~bynw> Hi KK, week is good here. bought some new furiture for our upcoming new place
[18:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> When's that move again, bynw?
[18:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Good evening KK!
[18:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Hi everyone
[18:15] <The_Bee> Hi shiral
[18:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi Marc and Shiral
[18:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Hi Marc, hey Shiral
[18:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Hello all
[18:16] <The_Bee> and Hi Marc
[18:16] <KK> Moving is always a drag, but helped when one is moving into their own place.
[18:16] * CambersGhost [discord] <shiral_> snaps fingers and produces a virtual sundae bar
[18:16] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Shiral loves me. ❤️
[18:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> *rolls for Vigilance against upcoming Bynw villains
[18:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> My nephew and his fiancee have had their offer on a new house accepted.
[18:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> That's wonderful news
[18:17] * The_Bee adds honey and maple syrup to the sundae bar.
[18:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Yay for  the nephew!
[18:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> They're very excited
[18:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> It's more the issues with trying to find her a house when she and her fiance are moving back from CO, but need a place to move into asap after getting here, so all of the legwork and looking had to come from our end of things. Fortunately her MIL-to-be and a close friend were also helping with the search.
[18:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Oh good, Shiral!
[18:18] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Well of course, Nezz! As always, everyone's favorite flavors are available
[18:18] <~bynw> @Evie, we don't close until the 3rd of July
[18:18] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Ah, OK
[18:18] <The_Bee> It's good when all the in-laws get along.
[18:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Then you will be independent of your old place and celebrating Independence Day moving into the new one?
[18:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> That's only 2 weeks plus some change away. Are you excited? 🙂
[18:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> DD and SIL2B move back the weekend before that.
[18:20] <The_Bee> When's the wedding?
[18:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Dunno yet.  This move and job change has eaten up much of what they had saved up for one, so unless they just do a courthouse wedding and have a big party later, it's likely going to be a while longer. Plus she wants to save up to buy a house first, not just be in a rental.
[18:22] <The_Bee> makes sense
[18:23] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> I always figured that if the venue is a church you're a member at then expenses are less. Could be wrong, but I've never been opposed to the idea myself.
[18:23] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> That would be an option, but it's more stuff like reception expenses, the dress, etc. that add up.
[18:24] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Makes sense 👍
[18:25] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Unless you just elope. My dad offered me the choice of either having the fancy church wedding or him buying me a ladder and paying for the honeymoon, but I opted for the fancy wedding with wedding photos.
[18:25] <The_Bee> A niece of mine got married in the church where her great-gradparents had
[18:26] <The_Bee> belonged.  later they found out the minister was a fake
[18:26] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Uhhh..  do over?
[18:26] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Now, looking back, I kind of kick myself, because as much as I loved sharing that day with family and friends and have fond memories of the reception they threw for me, I should would love a photo album of traveling around the UK instead of an album full of pics of me wearing a dress I only wore once.
[18:26] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> That's really outrageous. How could he? And on such a lovely occasion
[18:27] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Seriously? Who goes around pretending to be a minister and fake-officiate at a wedding?
[18:27] <The_Bee> Nope. In Vermont, if either of the couple believes the marriage was real, the law says it's real
[18:27] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> When you put it that way 😆 yeah give me the UK trip with someone I love any day
[18:28] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> I'd still like to go look at castles some day, but unless I can convince my body to work again some day, that's not likely to happen in this lifetime. 🙂
[18:29] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I think the weirdest wedding I went to featured the groomsmen and groom all dressed in kilts (which I heartily approve of, except was baffled by since they weren't Scottish even in ancestry), the bride heavily pregnant and literally barefoot (she hated shoes and said no one would force her into them on her wedding day), the minister had a mail-order license (it was one of those " <clipped messag
[18:29] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> pay $20 and we'll call you a Minister of the [whatever mail order organization] church" things), the minister's husband, and their live-in mistress.  It was...unique.  😅
[18:30] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> There are some pretty good virtual tours of historic places online these days, Nezz. I haven't looked specifically for castles, but there are some really cool Pompeii tours, for instance.
[18:30] * HoundMistress (181b2262@CCN-2C8ABF5B.res.spectrum.com) has joined #Deryni_Destinations
[18:30] <The_Bee> HiHM
[18:30] <HoundMistress> Hi!
[18:30] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Hi HM
[18:30] <~bynw> hi HM
[18:31] <KK> Hello, HoundMistress.
[18:31] <HoundMistress> Hi, CG, Bee, bynw, KK
[18:31] <HoundMistress> What's up?
[18:31] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Hello
[18:31] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Do you mean "Camber's Ghost" by CG?
[18:31] <HoundMistress> Hi, Marc
[18:32] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hello HM and CG
[18:32] <HoundMistress> Yes CG
[18:32] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Oh wait, that's the bot
[18:32] <The_Bee> We're expecting our first heat wave since 2022.
[18:32] <HoundMistress> Hi, Evie
[18:32] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Oh, we're already in the 90s here. Annoying
[18:32] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Ope, it's past 6 Central!
[18:32] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> I take this as a challenge and will keep you posted 😜
[18:32] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Camber's Ghost is the bot that allows IRC and Discord to chat with each other
[18:32] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Ope, it's past 6 Central!  Hello, all!
[18:33] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> You might say he intercedes for us
[18:33] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Ope, TM! *dances the Greek dance*
[18:33] <HoundMistress> Yes, we have 90s already. Lucky not to have steady 100s. 92 now at 6:30 PM
[18:33] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi TM
[18:34] <HoundMistress> Oh, silly me! I thought it was a person.
[18:34] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Unless you're excommunicated.
[18:34] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479836521864888347/1252043570878353448/Screenshot_20240615_214650_Facebook.jpg?ex=6670c7f1&is=666f7671&hm=3816ed4ecfdc6d9b9770c6e498378feb65b00a4b76761a0517a8b9981cbd2107&;
[18:34] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Speaking of Greek(very weak segue) I imagine that if Deryni Checkmate had a Greek Chorus, when Duncan fell through the trap door ready to fight, they would be chanting Crucified by Army of Lovers, while he proves his mettle to the hypocrites.
[18:34] <~bynw> low 90's for the begining of this week ... then high 80s for the later half
[18:35] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I really need to get your Deryni Reading Playlist once you're done, Marc. 😄
[18:35] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Hasn't happened yet 😉
[18:35] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Ohhh, lovely weather in central Texas in midweek -- highs in the low 80s and some chance of rain!
[18:35] <~bynw> right now looks like 88 for the high on Friday for the concert we will be going to
[18:36] <The_Bee> Are you in the rainy part of Florida, DR? or is that farther away?
[18:36] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> It's na good ere either
[18:36] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> A concert? May I ask who's playing?
[18:36] <~bynw> Bee ... DR isn't here
[18:36] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I would love low 80s right now. I would prefer mid 70s, but low 80s would be preferable to scorching and muggy
[18:36] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> (It probably WON'T rain, because central Texas, but one can hope. Galveston will probably get 27 1/7th feet of rain, and a quarter mile inland will get light drizzle.)
[18:36] <The_Bee> OOps! sorry
[18:36] <~bynw> REO Speedwagon and Night Ranger
[18:37] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> The low 80's, then, bynw?
[18:37] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Awesome taste, Bynw
[18:37] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> The low 80's, then, bynw? (I'd consider both to be pretty low.)
[18:37] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> That's oddly specific, TM. I especially like the 1/7 foot.  😄
[18:37] <~bynw> probably at the time of the concert it will be in the low 80s
[18:37] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> It's called the "early" 80s, not the low 80s... 😉
[18:38] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> 😄
[18:38] <KK> It's just hit 80 here By next Sunday, should rise into the 90s.
[18:38] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> We've hit 90s a couple of times this week. I just stay in the AC.
[18:38] <HoundMistress> LOL! and here, too. 92 F here at 6:30
[18:39] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Ugh, I looked at my phone and it said 96F, but fortunately that went down to 91F once I refreshed it.
[18:40] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Hi TM and all who came in while I was answering the call of nature
[18:40] <HoundMistress> I have to say something I've been thinking of all week. Re-read 2nd book of Childe Morgan and now on the 3rd book for about the 4th or 5th time. I love that 3rd book! Even more than I love the first 3.
[18:40] <HoundMistress> Hi, Shiral
[18:41] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Hi HoundMistress
[18:41] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Sunny and hi 70's here
[18:41] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Well if that isn't perfection, I don't know what is
[18:42] <The_Bee> 67f here
[18:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> 69
[18:42] <HoundMistress> Can we have some 70s please? Lucky to be down in the 80's at night soon.
[18:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Which looks very Taoist in the discord font
[18:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> It's not much consolation for those of you living under a heat dome, but the pollen count around here has been wicked all spring
[18:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I reread part of TBH this past week, looking specifically at the battle scenes to get my head in gear for how I wanted to approach the ones I needed to write. Then did it completely differently anyway, so I think it was just an excuse to read about Duncan again. 😄
[18:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> 70s, eh? *gets out the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack*
[18:43] <The_Bee> Cars are dusted in yellow grains.
[18:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Evie, when have you ever needed an excuse to do that?
[18:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Twist my arm. 😄
[18:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> 😉
[18:43] <HoundMistress> Bee, most of our trees have finished pollenating till Fall.
[18:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> I was looking over TBH as well a week or two back; interesting how Deryni find out about other Deryni and what it probably feels like.
[18:44] <The_Bee> remind me: TBH?
[18:44] <HoundMistress> Don't they just send out a testing tendril?
[18:44] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> The Bishop's Heir
[18:44] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> In that book, Arilan starts behaving as if he sat down on something sharp
[18:45] <The_Bee> ah, thanks  It's easy to drown in alphabet soup.
[18:45] <HoundMistress> Arilan can be a dope sometimes
[18:45] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> He's been in survival mode for too long to change instantly
[18:45] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Well, he's never stupid, but he CAN be uptight
[18:45] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Hardly the most infuriating bishop I can think of. Bless his heart.
[18:45] <HoundMistress> True, he had to hide out for a long time
[18:45] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> HM, I don't think so. Kelson was borrowing Dhugal's psychic energy for a wee bit and didn't even realize D wasn't a normal Human until his shields went up.
[18:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Yes, he did have to keep under wraps and he had all too good an idea of what could happen to him if  he slipped up
[18:46] <HoundMistress> But he had no reason to suspect Dhugal was Deryni for a long time.
[18:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> And also Dhugal has atypically tight shielding, as I recall.
[18:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> I imagine Arilan thought of Duncan as a reckless young man sometimes
[18:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Evie, I was thinking *before* Dhugal's shields went up
[18:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Because Duncan was sometimes.
[18:46] <HoundMistress> Shiral, he had to be scared a lot that he might have been found out. (Arilan)
[18:47] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> I think it was a reaction to a sudden shock in Dhugal's case
[18:47] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> TBH: The Best Hubby. DH (Dear Husband) for poly groupings.
[18:47] <The_Bee> IIRC, Arilan was furious when Duncan outed himself as Deryni at Dhugal.s knighting.
[18:48] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Arilan had the early trauma of watching his friend get burned at the stake, and even before that, had to kill a would-be assassin at age, what was it, 12?  Dude's seen stuff.
[18:48] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Oh, I'm sure he was aware he was walking a very dangerous tightrope. And he was sufficiently afraid that he didn't dare take risks to save others if it would have compromised his cover. The fear of being burned alive is.....compelling
[18:48] <HoundMistress> Arilan's life has not been easy
[18:48] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> TBH means The Best Hubby. DH (Dear Husband) but for poly groupings.
[18:48] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Shiral: Do say *glances sideways at bynw*
[18:49] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Plus compromising his cover would have endangered more lives. There were those other young priests he was mentoring, plus (at least in the Codex) he had nephews and nieces
[18:49] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Well true, Nezz. Right now, NOBODy wants to cross Bynw.  😉
[18:49] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> "A Deryni's life is not a happy one" ... Gilbert and Sullivan
[18:50] <HoundMistress> What's up with bynw?
[18:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Shiral, that's why I keep dropping little easter eggs in my posts for him.
[18:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> So it probably wouldn't have just been him getting burned at the stake if he was found out, it might have been "Now that we've gotten rid of the heretic priest, does he have any blood relatives we need to keep a close eye on from now on, hoping they'll do something we can burn them for?"
[18:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> That's true. I like Father Nivard
[18:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Bynw's GMing another storytelling RPG... and his most recent post mentioned Deryni and Burning in the same sentence.
[18:50] <The_Bee> I'm glad Arilan finally trusted Cardiel enough to tell him.
[18:50] <HoundMistress> Nivard is a nice guy!
[18:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Arilan in High Deryni just seemed a bit.....cooler and more daring. In three years, he's begun to get on Alaric's nerves
[18:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> It would be nice to meet some of the others someday, since Arilan hints he had other Deryni priests he had helped out besides Nivard.
[18:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> And Alaric has seen stuff and lived with danger, too
[18:51] <HoundMistress> How is Cardiel Richenda's uncle without being Deryni himself?
[18:52] <The_Bee> step
[18:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> They're both alpha males, Shiral.  😄
[18:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> I think it's a relationship through marriage, Bee
[18:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> She has a mother's side of the family, and that would include Sofiana of Andelon
[18:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> The genealogies are a little confusing sometimes, but that's life in kingdoms with frequent intermarriages
[18:52] <HoundMistress> Must be, Bee
[18:52] * CambersGhost [discord] <stnezz> shields Marc's eyes, remembering that he doesn't know about a lot of this stuff*
[18:53] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Well true. Alaric will take orders from his King, but he's not crazy about being ordered around by Arilan when it comes to "how to be a Deryni"
[18:53] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I think Thomas Cardiel's mother or maybe father was married in somehow, but the trait skipped him
[18:53] <HoundMistress> That would work, Evie
[18:53] <The_Bee> KK explained it once.
[18:53] <HoundMistress> I missed that
[18:53] <~bynw> remember that Arilan is a bit pompus due to being a CC member. most of them in Kelson's time are full of themselves :)
[18:53] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> It's in the Codex, but that's on the other end of the house
[18:54] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> It's already suggested in the text that Arilan may be Deryni. But he said no. 😜
[18:54] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Some are pompous, but Sofiana is my favorite CC member in large part because she's not.
[18:54] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> When it's hot and muggy, that can be a trek Evie
[18:54] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Sofiana is VERY cool!
[18:54] <HoundMistress> flying backwards, I always cry when Sir Kenneth dies, although I'm glad it was an easy passing
[18:55] <HoundMistress> Yes, I like Sofiana, too.
[18:55] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> And he's a priest. He wouldn't lie, ever, right?
[18:55] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> She stirs up the Camberian Council pot nicely
[18:55] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Not even to save his own li...um...never mind.
[18:55] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Yeah, he was pretty cool. 🙂
[18:56] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> And a good father, as well. To all of his children
[18:56] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> I like when that one bishop of cardosa threatens to beat the crap out of Loris to his face.
[18:56] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Plus Kennethh rode horses well, so we had no reason to not like him... 😉
[18:56] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-gif-16287607886277446870 embed: https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-gif-16287607886277446870
[18:56] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I wonder if the fuddy-duddies would have changed their tunes sooner if Sofiana had stayed on the council since her younger years, rather than taking a couple of decades off (or whatever) to have kids?
[18:56] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Since she could be very persuasive
[18:57] <HoundMistress> LOL! My youngest kitty is lying on my walker
[18:57] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Either loris is a liar or a fool. Much too dangerous either way.
[18:57] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Why not both?  😄
[18:57] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> I'm hoping that her becoming a Co-Adjutor will improve them as a group, over all.
[18:57] <HoundMistress> Loris should be DEAD. I do not like him at all.
[18:57] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> In my fanfic timeline, I'm calling her Sofiana the Great
[18:58] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Good title for her
[18:58] <HoundMistress> Good, Evie
[18:58] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> One of my characters is her descendent.
[18:58] <The_Bee> I think Loris was a True Believer.  Hubert was just in it for personal gain.
[18:58] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Did we lose KK? Or is she just sitting back laughing at us all for our deranged theories when only she knows the real truth? 😉
[18:58] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Agreed, Bee
[18:59] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Well....we're interested in MORE revelations of the real truth whenever she's ready so spill them.
[18:59] * CambersGhost [discord] <shiral_> would never drop hints, of course....
[18:59] <The_Bee> KK's initials are here.
[18:59] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Of course not... and no one knows that better than you, right Shiral? 😉
[19:00] * CambersGhost [discord] <shiral_> spitshines her  halo
[19:00] <~bynw> very true Bee. Loris was a true believer in what he thought about the Deryni. While Herbert knew the truth but was just after power and revenge against all Deryni
[19:00] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Now I just need to learn the magic to figure out Gwynedd's elastic maps as well as elastic roads. I wrote an entire chapter or two with the idea of Caerrorie being on one side of the mountains due to the Codex map, but in the book map it's on the other side of those mountains. So now my location is called Old Caerrorie. Problem solved. 🙄
[19:00] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Gwynedd has rubber roads, it's true
[19:01] <HoundMistress> I don't remember Herbert. Which book?
[19:01] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Hubert, I believe
[19:01] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> And rivers that change locations
[19:01] <The_Bee> Hubert was in the Camber novels.
[19:01] <~bynw> Camber and Heirs Trilogies HM,
[19:01] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> And Carcashale/Carcashall/Carcashal
[19:01] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Camber the Heretic, Harrowing of Gwynedd, Javan's Year, etc
[19:01] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Poor Javan had to deal with Hubert
[19:02] <HoundMistress> OK, Bee,  thanks!
[19:02] <KK> The maps have been somewhat, er, fluid over the years.
[19:02] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> And Carcashale/Carcashall/Carcashal, which are in different places
[19:02] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I noticed, KK. 😄
[19:02] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Just like in real cartography 😉
[19:02] <~bynw> spelling wasn't standardized back in that time so we can spell it however you want Evie
[19:02] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Medieval mapmaking probably wasn't all that exact a science, anyway
[19:02] <KK> And I like the New and Old prefixes.
[19:02] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Fortunately even IRL, rivers change their course and towns sometimes relocate.  But sometimes I'm comparing maps and going "Dayum!"
[19:02] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Thank goodness mapping technology in the 1100 has gottan so much better by 1150. 😉
[19:02] <HoundMistress> Maybe those evil Deryni have been rearranging the landscape. Ahahahahaha!
[19:03] <~bynw> probably so HM, we can blame them for that too
[19:03] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> While this is true, cartographers could usually work out which side of a MOUNTAIN RANGE a place fell on!  😂
[19:03] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> *shushes HM in bynw's presence*
[19:03] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Marion Zimmer Bradley's usual answer to differing travel times was "they travel at the speed of plot".
[19:03] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> 😄
[19:04] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> If the trees move around much, maybe that means Gwynedd has Ents, just to cross pollinate between worlds
[19:04] <KK> Maybe later Deryni have figured out how to do remote viewing of some sort, rather like drones, to correct some of their maps re rivers and such.
[19:04] <HoundMistress> BYNW, what are you doing that we have to tiptoe?
[19:04] <HoundMistress> That's an interesting explanation, KK
[19:04] <The_Bee> A grove of trees was once clocked by radar at 80 mph.
[19:04] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> I like MZB's explanation.  "I needed it to happen that way, so it did."
[19:04] <KK> LOL at MZB's speed of plot.
[19:05] <~bynw> HM, i'm not doing anything at all. i'm innocent :)
[19:05] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I have a scene where my prince is sending out birds (like hunting hawks) through a mountain pass to get a visual on where the enemy encampment is.
[19:05] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Racing Ents
[19:05] <KK> Birds as info drones is a good idea.
[19:05] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> *whispers* He's blaming the EryniDay for all the AdBay UffStay
[19:06] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> That's an interesting image, Evie, since Ents are known for NOT being hasty
[19:06] <HoundMistress> Ooohh!!
[19:06] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yeah, racing Ents would find 8 mph a challenging speed
[19:06] <HoundMistress> young ents
[19:06] <The_Bee> I'm not sure KK and I agree on Caeriesse's exact location.
[19:06] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Even so, they sure did a job on Isengard.
[19:07] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Side note: in The King's Deryni, the royal ship is named Caeriesse. Naming a ship after something that mysteriously sank without a trace. Good move, people!
[19:07] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Bee, I hate to tell you, but if KK says it's *here,* then it's here. 😉
[19:07] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Until KK has a Better Idea.
[19:07] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> But then.... there are still the Rubber Roads....
[19:07] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I have an island kingdom based on the survivors of lost Caeriesse, but I am assuming the original location was destroyed cataclysmically, possibly in a eruption or similar event, so the new kingdom is located a few hundred miles south of where I speculate the original one was
[19:08] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> I think it was Bujold who said that an author always reserves the right to Have a Better Idea.
[19:08] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> No wonder Haldanes are less than enthusiastic sailors....
[19:08] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> "Dang it, that island was here LAST time we explored this part of the ocean...."
[19:08] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Oh, well if Bujold says so... she's just as reliable a source as our kk
[19:08] <KK> I like Bujold!
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> I know! How can you not like Bujold!?
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Bujold is my other favorite author
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> In a medieval setting, you have the handy excuse of unreliable histories.
[19:09] <The_Bee> IIRCm KK said in Deryni Magic that some people doubt Caeriesse's existence. You can't say, "It didn't exist, but I know where it was."
[19:09] <HoundMistress> Don't know Bujold.
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Yes, sometimes Ideas are imperfect the first time around.
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> HM, you must learn about the beauty that is Bujold. I recommend her fantasy but others around here prefer her SF
[19:10] <HoundMistress> Or, she might have had misinformation.
[19:10] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I like to write according to Bujold's advice: "What's the worst thing that can happen to your protagonist?  Do that. See how he reacts. Lather, rinse, repeat."  😄
[19:10] <HoundMistress> Oh, I'll have to look for her.
[19:10] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Bujold has the gift of being able to laugh yourself to tears one moment and then cry with heartbreak just a page later.
[19:10] <~bynw> maybe the elastic roads is just a time effect. you are travelling in good company and the like and it seems to go quickly. other times even small trips seem to take forever
[19:10] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> *nods* yup yup yup
[19:11] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Bujold has the gift of being able to make you laugh yourself to tears one moment and then cry with heartbreak just a page later.
[19:11] <The_Bee> There are legends of an island called Ker Ys off Brittany; it was sunk for its inhabitants' wickedness.
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> If you're traveling with Hubert, EVERY trip is long
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> If you're going to read Bujold, I'd recommend *Curse of Chalion,* and I'm pretty sure Evie would recommend *Shards of Honor.*
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Many things can affect travel times in medieval travel anyway, so a trip that might take one week in summer might take three in winter. But I like to at least make things plausible, and not "Oh, that's 600 miles away? Yeah, they can ride there by tomorrow evening...."
[19:12] <HoundMistress> Thanks!
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> If you're traveling with Hubert or the Custodes, EVERY trip is long
[19:12] <~bynw> true. unless you are one of them
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> If only that island were named "Ker Yn". "You wanted to speak to The Manager? I am I. *smite*"
[19:13] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> The Chalion books are fantasy.  Shards of Honor is SF, or more accurately space opera.
[19:13] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> If only that island of Brittany were named "Ker Yn". "You wanted to speak to The Manager? I am I. *smite*"
[19:13] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Both series are excellent
[19:14] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Shards of Honor is part of her Vorkosigan series of books, and Miles Vorkosigan is one of my favorite characters ever.
[19:14] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> I like the sequel to Chalion better, I think because I like Isla more.  Also, the saitcase scene with the Father of Winter, and the sequel, is the highest of high fantasy, and makes me cry. *Paladin of Souls*
[19:14] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> YES!!!! *sobs*
[19:14] <HoundMistress> Well, Quanah is warting me to death about something he wants, so I guess I'd better go. Y'all have a great week!
[19:14] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> I like the sequel to Chalion better, I think because I like Isla more.  Also, the staircase scene with the Father of Winter, and what happens right after, is the highest of high fantasy, and makes me cry. *Paladin of Souls*
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> night HM, night Quanah
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Goodnight
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Warting?
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Night HM
[19:15] <HoundMistress> Night, Evie and all!
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Quanah is a frog?
[19:15] <The_Bee> Bye HM!  hello to all the animals and humans
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I may head out soon too, as our local restaurants tend to close fairly early, and DH and I haven't eaten yet
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Have a good week, HM
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Are you no longer wet-poodle-Evie?
[19:15] <HoundMistress> LOL! Sometimes I think he is a frog dog
[19:16] <HoundMistress> Byeee!
[19:16] * HoundMistress (181b2262@CCN-2C8ABF5B.res.spectrum.com) Quit (Quit: Client closed)
[19:16] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I've had my hair wrapped in a t-shirt for long enough to just be a damp poodle now. A blow dryer will fix the rest
[19:16] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> See y'all later!
[19:16] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> why a t-shirt?
[19:16] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Bye, Evie
[19:16] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Have a good week
[19:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Because it makes curly hair less frizzy than terry cloth
[19:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> ah
[19:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> night, enjoy dinner
[19:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> See y'all later
[19:17] <The_Bee> bye evie.  Good dining
[19:18] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> And as usual, Evie leaves and the party comes to a dead stop. 🙂
[19:19] * CambersGhost [discord] <shiral_> drops pin
[19:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> CLANG!!
[19:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> *drops ice cream*
[19:19] <KK> I'll also head off, then. This afternoon I went to a tea at the rescue where I got Daphne, a fund-raiser, so was sated on good tea party fare.  A good way to spend a Sunday afternoon.  I also visited with the cats for an hour or two. Still the best cat rescue I've seen, and the couple who run it are wonderful.
[19:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> Good cat rescue is a worthy cause.
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> So is enjoying tea and playing with kitties
[19:20] <KK> Definitely.
[19:20] <The_Bee> Good people! Good kitties!
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Oh, that must have been delightfuly
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Oh, that must have been delightful
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Arriveduchi, all!
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> I think I'll lie down for a Sunday Siesta
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> night TM
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> cya Shiral
[19:20] * CambersGhost [discord] <shiral_> waves farewell, steps onto her portal and disappears in a cloud of blue steam
[19:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <shiral_> BYE!
[19:21] <The_Bee> Seeya next sunday!
[19:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Good night everybody
[19:21] * The_Bee flies through her portal and into the garderobe.
[19:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> night Marc, or should I say, see you later
[19:22] * The_Bee (49443583@5B323F15.D8467162.C60DAD5D.IP) Quit (Quit: The_Bee)
[19:22] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Bee, ewwwww!
[19:22] <KK> Nighters all.
[19:22] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> night KK
[19:22] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> have a good one
[19:23] * KK steps onto her Portal, waves goodnight, and disappears in a shower of purple sparkles.
[19:23] <~bynw> night KK
[19:23] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> just don't disappear into the guarderobe
[19:23] <KK> Exunt.
[19:23] * KK (473eb015@CCN-1F686F39.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Client closed)

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Codex Derynianus / Re: Heraldry in the Codex
Last post by Frère de Saint-Gabriel - June 13, 2024, 07:25:47 PM
Although they aren't considered Forcinn buffer states, these serve as buffer states between the Forcinn and the Kingdom of R'Kassi.

The arms of the Principality of Jáca recall the origin of the principality in the incorporation of the counties of Jacance and Mont-Volcan and the barony of Pixière under the rule of Arsieu Comte de Mont-Volcan as Arsieu I, Prince de Jáca. The arms also recall that the holy Saint Sava is said to have been a native of this region.

The arms of the Principality and sovereign Emirate of Nur Hallaj consist of a lion passant Or on a green field. The arms were modified on the conversion of the Emir Hafiz (Jabez) to the Christian faith in A.D. 866 to include a cross fleury Or.

The arms of the Principality of Andelon consist of a pomegranate proper on a shield Argent a bordure Gules. This is a nod to the orthographic similarity of Andelon and Andalusia, since the pomegranate is found in the heraldry of the kingdom of Granada.
#8
Codex Derynianus / Re: Heraldry in the Codex
Last post by DesertRose - June 13, 2024, 02:39:42 AM
Your Thurian arms intrigue me, as this is the device of my SCA barony, Castlemere, and we often simplify it to a badge of vert, a castle argent.
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Codex Derynianus / Re: Heraldry in the Codex
Last post by Frère de Saint-Gabriel - June 12, 2024, 11:29:08 PM
Rounding out the Forcinn States, the Principality of Logréine and the sovereign County of Thuria (Thurie)...

In the CoA of Logréine, the chief is charged with three barrels, denoting the "several varieties of ale, mead, wine, and other spirits" produced in the Principality. The boar statant recalls that Logréine produces pork from its central plain.

The CoA of Thuria (or Thurie) is a shield vert in the same sea green shade as the arms of Orsal and Tralia, charged with a castle representing the Kronburg, the fortress sitting at the heart of the county's capital town of the same name.
#10
Codex Derynianus / Re: Heraldry in the Codex
Last post by Frère de Saint-Gabriel - June 12, 2024, 07:40:38 PM
Quote from: Laurna on June 12, 2024, 07:29:05 PMThat is very interesting about the Demi Lion. I never would have thought of only the upper 2/3 of the lion shown. very distinctive.

I'm interested to know whether tmcd thinks this an accurate interpretation of the blazon.