The Worlds of Katherine Kurtz

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[19:12] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Heya KK. How's things?
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[19:12] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Thanks Airich. Will beright there
[19:12] <bynw> Hi KK
[19:12] <KK> Hello, all.
[19:13] <The_Bee> Hi KK
[19:13] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Thanks Airich. Will be right there
[19:13] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I am at least somewhere within distant sight of my finish line with "Queen of Sorrows," and it would make the most sense for me to post that story first, so at least that would give you something to read while I finish the final chapters of "The Rebuilding."
[19:13] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Hi KK
[19:13] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi, KK!
[19:13] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Which season of The Crown are you on, Nezz?
[19:13] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> How many chapters are left to go in the rebuilding?
[19:14] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> The FS team is still on Season 1. I personally have seen them all.
[19:14] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I don't know, DFK, because every time I think I know approximately how many might be left, I end up needing more. I think I am roughly 3/4 of the way done with the story, though, if not more.
[19:15] <KK> I need to watch that.  Only saw a few early episodes; it was fiddly getting to it.
[19:15] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> But for instance, when I was writing "Pawns and Queens," about the time I thought I had maybe four or five chapters left to go, it ended up being more like ten before I actually reached the end.
[19:15] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Yay for you! Just remember, you'renot writing War and Peace, or maybe you are, Gwynedd version
[19:16] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> *looks at word count and is dubious*  😄
[19:16] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> *Amy would swear she's seen Prince Philip at a different time, coming out of a strange blue box*
[19:16] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Yay for you! Just remember, you're not writing War and Peace, or maybe you are, Gwynedd version
[19:16] * bynw notes there is a long way to go yet for Forgotten Shadows
[19:16] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> LOL!!!
[19:16] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I'm sure Prince Philip would have loved to get his hands on a TARDIS
[19:17] <bynw> and then you get to see him if you ever watch the prequel to GoT in House of the Dragon. He's a Targaryen Prince
[19:18] <KK> When is House of the Dragon coming back?
[19:18] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Well, ya needed to have picked up the pace earlier! We had to throw in so many subplots that now that something's happening, we've still got to resolve our subplots! 😄
[19:19] <bynw> I dont know. It was hard for me to get into it seeing Matt Smith (an incrnation of Doctor Who) as a Targaryen Prince. I might try again.
[19:19] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> I am caught up reading the earlier chat.  hello
[19:20] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Hi Laurna
[19:20] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Hi Laurna, good to see you. 😉
[19:20] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi Laurna
[19:20] <bynw> Hi Laurna
[19:20] <The_Bee> Laaaurna
[19:20] <The_Bee> Hiii
[19:20] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Ten minutes late and then it takes 10 minutes to read the last 10 minutes
[19:20] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> You might take up speed reading
[19:20] <CG> [discord] <tm_9039> Now that more people are on, including IRC (which can't see previous posts), Early Bird Books sent me an alert today.
[19:21] <CG> [discord] <tm_9039> SALE, maybe today only, limited time only! But it's Amazon. But it's a BIG SALE, so they won't make a lot of money! But that means Katherine can't make much money, if any.
[19:21] <CG> [discord] <tm_9039> The Legends of Camber of Culdi Trilogy: Camber of Culdi, Saint Camber, and Camber the Heretic Kindle Edition.  US $4
[19:21] <CG> [discord] <tm_9039> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LXGL10L
[19:22] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> I'm afraid I've finally got all my Deryni novels on Kindle now.
[19:22] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Now I just need to get the earlier trilogies on audiobook
[19:22] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> I introduced Camber into my Sims game. and the first thing he does is chalange Evie to a duel.
[19:22] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479836521864888347/1394096672287490048/07-13-25_3-14-31_PM.png?ex=68759133&is=68743fb3&hm=2e93a07737d27aa7f2f2c95873aba7eb3ffefe55d13dbb0a4f1a6ab18bb12fc0&;
[19:22] <KK> They're working on Audible versions of that trilogy.
[19:22] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479836521864888347/1394096673143259177/07-13-25_3-14-28_PM.png?ex=68759133&is=68743fb3&hm=7ad6be715e225b04df1d616fb3c63943221d8231d00eef214504e69e08619848&;
[19:22] <CG> [discord] <tm_9039> (I wonder if I should have shared the full link. Early Bird Books probably gets a cut of the revenue then.)
[19:22] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> That is wonderful KK
[19:22] <CG> [discord] <tm_9039> Evie probably deserves the duel.
[19:23] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Who won the duel?
[19:23] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Who won? Camber's got the edge here, but that's no guarantee
[19:23] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Depends on whether she cheated his stats up, since he's new to her game and I'm an oldtimer
[19:23] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Well Evie is here chatting. Don't know whrer Camber is at the moment.
[19:24] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> 😄
[19:24] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> OK, where did you bury the body, Evie?
[19:24] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> But no hard feelings it was more a learning lesson
[19:24] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479836521864888347/1394097136257339442/07-13-25_3-14-52_PM.png?ex=687591a2&is=68744022&hm=d7856dd785e66727535eeae7f1559943d542d8121e63a4ab206ab7372cb7e133&;
[19:24] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479836521864888347/1394097136874029177/07-13-25_3-15-28_PM.png?ex=687591a2&is=68744022&hm=001ef973b62699fbf8d3dd7cd35c6344af1eb2f30279fdbfdbe929e5b4461b9b&;
[19:24] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> LOL!
[19:25] <bynw> character's level of magic is recorded as "yes"
[19:25] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Gotta love those clay skirts
[19:25] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Oh dear,poor Evie. He's not allowed to finish her off while she's still writing.
[19:25] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> he is an old timer too.  I took a copy of my Snape professor and turned him into Camber.
[19:25] <CG> [discord] <tm_9039> Lesson quote: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F0kn7a7jqbav31.jpg
[19:25] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Hi Everyone!
[19:26] <bynw> Hi Jerusha!
[19:26] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Hiya Jsha! How's you and Hammy doing?
[19:26] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> The medeival type of lesson, TM
[19:26] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi Jerusha!
[19:26] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Hi Jerusha. How are you and where are you, Fl or Canada?
[19:27] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Hammy has indigestion.  Too many peanuts.
[19:27] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Poor Hammie
[19:27] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> I am fine and in Canada.  We have smoke from the western fires, though
[19:27] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Poor Hammy
[19:27] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Not good
[19:27] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> (Hammy is Jerusha's writing muse, btw)
[19:27] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Oh dear. Hope it clears soon
[19:28] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> The windows are closed because we need the a/c, so not too bad
[19:28] <KK> I was about to sk.
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[19:28] <KK> ask
[19:28] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Bee! You came back!
[19:28] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Hammy runs on the wheel in my brain
[19:28] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I've decided the secret to getting a lot of writing done at once (or at least more than usual) is to spend a weekend in a mostly empty house with only three cats and a very laid back dog for company.
[19:29] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> If I had a writing muse. Which I don't seem to have.  he or she has flown the coop
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[19:29] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> How about a peacock, Laurna?
[19:29] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Here's a picture of Hammy, working hard:
[19:29] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479836521864888347/1394098448554397706/hammy_typing.png?ex=687592db&is=6874415b&hm=182fccdfd8d4fe0003d5f99e43f28eae675007c3bdc64e030bc8228b52b9d850&;
[19:29] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> They are loosing their tail feathers so they are no longer screaming.
[19:29] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Or a very bright spaniel/
[19:29] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Is this normal?
[19:30] <KK> I like Hammy!
[19:30] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> I think they get embarrassed in the summer time when their feathers shed out.
[19:30] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Hammy humbly passes KK his best peanut
[19:30] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Hammy is very kind
[19:30] <KK> Thank you, Hammy!
[19:30] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Hammy has gotten us into and out of trouble several times so far. We depend on him now for all our best scenes. 🙂
[19:31] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> He still has quite a large stash
[19:31] <Bee> Hammy looks like a cross between a hamster and Winnie-the-Pooh.
[19:31] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Aww, shucks
[19:31] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Of peanuts or scenes?
[19:31] <KK> Well, you have to pay the staff.
[19:31] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Both, I hope
[19:31] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Sometimes yes, sometimes no
[19:31] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Distracted by getting grandchild photos texted to me
[19:32] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479836521864888347/1394099107156459611/image.png?ex=68759378&is=687441f8&hm=918e13205f6624c5ddd842b37cb9d49564c00b18696a660a2d8e67b5c68303b2&;
[19:32] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Here I was expecting a granchild photo.  but Hammy will do
[19:32] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> I need a t-shirt with that
[19:32] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Love Hammy with penin hand. He looks ready for the next stage
[19:33] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Love Hammy with pen in hand. He looks ready for the next stage
[19:33] <bynw> that pen is a think spear in his little hands
[19:33] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> With a sharp point
[19:33] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Can't beat grandchuld photos
[19:33] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Ward off any trouble
[19:33] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Sorry to cut in suddenly but check this out. You think the cobblestone streets are safe and then BOOM. Nun with a sword.
[19:33] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479836521864888347/1394099468281843864/image0.jpg?ex=687593ce&is=6874424e&hm=b51d79fd79d383e281f93d22e93e6778421e6a7045763d811d40c062723e5a7e&;
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[19:33] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> So far we have Jerusha's Hammy and Laurna's green squirrel, but Hammy has stayed 100% behind the scenes whereas the green squirrel has made an apperance or two. I thought Hammy needed to take a bow.
[19:34] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Maybe he can scurry by in a random scene
[19:34] <bynw> are you having issues Bee? or just loosing which window has the chat in it
[19:34] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Hammy bows his thanks
[19:34] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Can't beat grandchild photos
[19:34] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> That is what I am missing.  My green squirrel as run away.
[19:34] * The_Bee is suffering from dissociated Identity disorder.
[19:34] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479836521864888347/1394099794837766154/image.png?ex=6875941c&is=6874429c&hm=0769ea6bd0d96b77d14ac15f239301d0f433ea54ba6e347d306a661af8f1e424&;
[19:34] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> There he is.
[19:35] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> He will come when Amy needs him, Laurna
[19:35] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> By this time KK must think we are all nuts
[19:35] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Never thought the cobblestone strrets were safe. Have you ever tried to walk on them, much less run
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[19:35] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Green Squirrels love nuts
[19:35] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Oh no, by this time KK definitely KNOWS we are all nuts!
[19:35] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Peanuts? or macadamia nuts?
[19:36] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Almonds or walnuts
[19:36] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Macadamia nuts are best
[19:36] * CG [discord] <stnezz> tosses GS a couple of walnuts from the ol' man's walnut tree.
[19:36] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Never thought the cobblestone streets were safe. Have you ever tried to walk on them, much less run
[19:36] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Love
[19:36] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Imagine there's a Deryni shield/resistance to counter the GS and it's shaped like a squirrel baffled
[19:36] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> And thry are nuts
[19:36] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Imagine there's a Deryni shield/resistance to counter the GS and it's shaped like a squirrel baffler
[19:36] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> And they are nuts
[19:37] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> we do not deny it
[19:37] <CG> [discord] <tm_9039> Nun with a sword? We already know that monks with swords are dangerous, or at least Nigel found that out the hard way in ... a Meara book? *Quest for Saint Camber*? I forget.
[19:37] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> If there are green gryfons, there can be green squirrels
[19:38] <The_Bee> I don't know.  I keep getting told I'm not here, then I join and find two of me.
[19:38] * CG [discord] <jerusha2> pictures a really cool green squirrel banner
[19:38] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Green gryfons are the grandfather's of all green creatures.
[19:38] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> You're here, Bee
[19:38] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> I see one Bee
[19:38] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> buzz buzsz
[19:38] <The_Bee> until I get kicked out again.
[19:39] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> get out the duct tape
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[19:39] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi HM
[19:39] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Or Gorilla glue
[19:39] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Hey, it's HM
[19:39] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Hello HM
[19:39] <HoundMistress> Hi, everyone
[19:39] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Hi HM
[19:39] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Hi HM, good to see you
[19:39] <The_Bee> Hello, Mistress of Hounds
[19:39] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Jerusha, you said hammy didn't want the monkeys
[19:40] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> We should have the hamster give a solution to a problem in the story
[19:40] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Jerusha, you said Hammy didn't want the monkeys
[19:40] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> I think Hammy was worried about becoming somethings dinner
[19:41] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Perhaps Hammy could sneakly deliver one of Elspeth's special little packets
[19:41] <KK> What monkeys? Flying?
[19:42] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> https://tenor.com/view/death-mob-wizard-of-oz-flying-monkeys-gif-14940787026863980840
[19:42] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> They might have added some action to a potentially boring strategy session
[19:42] <HoundMistress> Ta-dum-ta-dumb, ta-DA-dum
[19:42] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> KK! We had a question about Deryni shapechanging this week. If a Deryni spellcaster changed his shape to a different person, would a dog be able to smell the difference?
[19:43] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Looks like a headache the morning after
[19:43] <HoundMistress> Yes, a hound would
[19:43] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Yes, they were flying monkeys that we'd been discussing
[19:43] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Or looked at a different way, would he still smell the same even though he looks different?
[19:43] <HoundMistress> They'd have to actually change INTO the other person, otherwise they still have their own smell.
[19:44] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Since he's the same person
[19:44] <HoundMistress> Right
[19:44] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> HM, I had agreed with you, I didn't think humans/Deryni could comprehend just how insanely sensitive a dog's nose is, and so would have a hard time accounting for that fact.
[19:44] <CG> [discord] <bynw> these are my fav flying monkey image
[19:44] <CG> [discord] <bynw> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479836521864888347/1394102284677414982/flying_monkey.gif?ex=6875966d&is=687444ed&hm=e990e79cf885e5edf2019df8d9d936077b39188b1288f347585555e5e7443883&;
[19:44] <KK> I'd think so.
[19:44] <The_Bee> So ch.anging your appearance doesn't change your scent
[19:45] <HoundMistress> Yes, even if he carried something or the clothes of another person, the dog would still be able to detect the real smell
[19:45] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Yes
[19:45] <KK> I like the Oz monkeys better.
[19:45] <HoundMistress> Hey! Was I useful?
[19:45] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Very!
[19:45] <The_Bee> yep
[19:46] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Absolutely *throws HM a macadamia nut*
[19:46] <HoundMistress>
[19:46] <bynw> mine are Oz flying monkies at least from one of the retellings of it
[19:46] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> You can throw me a macadamia nut cookie if you wish
[19:46] * CG [discord] <jerusha2> Hammy starts counting the nuts in the stash
[19:47] * CG [discord] <stnezz> throws Evie a macadamia nut cookie as encouragement to finish her novel.
[19:47] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> 😄
[19:47] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> But he throws acorns not macadamia nuts
[19:47] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Gotta finish the novella first, then the novel, since they will make more sense in that order.
[19:47] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> You should use the Macadamia nut cookie to encourage her to think about Aidan
[19:48] * CG [discord] <stnezz> offers Evie three macadamia nut cookies: one for the novella, one for the novel, and one for Aidan
[19:48] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> There you go
[19:48] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Now she is going to be hyperglicimic
[19:48] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> No one can turn that down!
[19:48] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Sounds like Baa Baa black sheep
[19:48] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I'll say a prayer for sweet little Aidan, but I've got enough writing on my plate at the moment. 😄
[19:49] <KK> Scott was fond of the Oz monkeys. I got him one of the Jim Shore figurines, which now lives on one of my bookcases.
[19:49] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> he will happily take the Prayer,  especially at the moment
[19:49] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Aiden is in good hands., I think
[19:49] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> I hope so
[19:49] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> That is cool, KK
[19:49] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> I'd call Revanne's hands "good," I think
[19:49] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Love Jim Shore figurines, but they have gotten a tad expensive, at least up here
[19:50] <The_Bee> Speaking of OZ, have any of you seen Wicked?
[19:50] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> You're not alone
[19:50] <HoundMistress> I mean to see it but haven't yet
[19:51] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> The only movie on my horizon is the Last Chapter of Downton Abbey
[19:51] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> You should see it. It is great. Another sequel I'm waiting for. The world is full fo frustrating sequels
[19:51] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> My late boss used to tell a story about his son and his (at the time teenaged) brother-in-law watching "The Wizard of Oz" together. His son was in preschool and afraid of the flying monkeys, and his BIL had only recently gotten over his own fear of them, so when that first scene with them in it came on screen, the teen growled "Aw, stick it in your ear!" at the flying monkeys. Wh <clipped message>
[19:51] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> ereupon his little nephew, thinking the exclamation was directed towards him, attempted to stick his PB&J sandwich into his little ear.  😄
[19:51] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Oh dear!
[19:52] <The_Bee> I,m wondering: does it take place before, during or after Dorothy?
[19:52] <HoundMistress> Hmm! I was never afraid of the flying monkeys
[19:52] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Before
[19:53] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> I was never afraid of the flying monkeys, but I was always terrified of that hourglass.
[19:53] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Yes, that was scary
[19:53] <The_Bee> That makes sense, It makes me wonder how Elfaba became the wicked witch Dorothy knew.
[19:54] <KK> I saw it on flight back from LA.
[19:54] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> When I was little. I was afraid of that movie and used to hide behind a chair and refuse to watch when one of the scary parts came on.
[19:54] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> (I shouldn't say "always" because the fear didn't actually last beyond the age of about 7 or
[19:54] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I vaguely remember being apprehensive of the flying monkeys as a small child, but I was more afraid of the tornado.  Even then, before I moved to Dixie Alley and had real ones to worry about.  😄
[19:55] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Costumes.  I was so inlove with all the costumes in the movie.  I hardly paid attention to the monkeys.
[19:55] <HoundMistress> When I was really little, my Mom explained that all the things in movies are make-believe. Since she knew I played make-believe characters, she knew i'd understand
[19:55] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Tornadoes are truly terrifying. I've been throught a hurricane but tornadoes are worse.
[19:56] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Fortunately tornadoes usually affect a much smaller area
[19:56] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Tornadoes are truly terrifying. I've been through a hurricane but tornadoes are worse.
[19:56] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> until I was much older,  I think that was the only Torando I had ever heard of.
[19:56] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> While hurricanes can spawn multiple tornadoes in addition to the other damage they create
[19:57] <bynw> at least with most hurricanes you get plenty of warning
[19:57] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> and you know where they are going
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[19:57] <KK> True. Hurricanes are much more predictable. And I grew p with them in Fla.
[19:57] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> DS was almost never scared of movie villains or creatures, but he was scared of TV news, because he knew even as a young child that the things on the news reports were real.
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[19:58] <HoundMistress> WB
[19:58] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Why does Bee's ID keep changing?
[19:58] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> She keeps getting booted out, I think
[19:58] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I think she keeps getting disconnected and has to keep coming back
[19:58] <The_Bee47> Why do you all keep vanishing on me?
[19:59] <bynw> because she keeps signing in again ... not sure why. unless she has lost track of her tabs/windows in her browser or having a computer issue
[19:59] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Bee,  we really need to get you one Discord instead of IRC
[19:59] <KK> The first time I saw Alien, in  a theater, I was living in an apartment that had underground parking with lots of big pipes, and was eying them suspiciously as I made my way from car to elevator.
[19:59] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> You must not have a good connection with the IRC server for some reason. Is it repeatedly booting you?
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[19:59] <bynw> I bet KK
[19:59] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> That would be scary, KK
[20:00] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> That would do it.   Watching that movie in the theater
[20:00] <The_Bee47> I thought when I quit the extra Bee, the real me wouldstill bee here.
[20:00] * bynw has always been a fan of Alien
[20:00] <KK> Yep, late at night, and I was by myself.
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[20:00] <bynw> don't let the spaceships fool you . it's not a sci-fi movie. it's a horror movie in a sci-fi setting
[20:00] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I loved *Alien* and *Aliens*.  I'm not normally a horror fan, but I do love suspense.
[20:00] <KK> Ye, Bynw!
[20:00] <HoundMistress> I'm going to leave in a few. I have leftover fish enchiladas from Fish City for dinner and the Naked and Afraid Last One Standing finale is coming on at 8 our time.
[20:00] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Drove me crazy
[20:01] <KK> And I was so glad the cat survived!
[20:01] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yes!
[20:01] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Agreed
[20:01] <HoundMistress> Alien scared me
[20:01] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> It was meant to
[20:01] <bynw> driving home from seeing Aliens with some friends. i was in the back seat and making the sound of the eggs opening. the friend in the front see was getting goosebumps
[20:01] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> LOL!
[20:02] <The_Bee> what cat?
[20:02] <bynw> yes Jonesy survived
[20:02] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Evil Bynw
[20:02] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> I see your sadistic nature has had some time to refine itself
[20:02] <bynw> Riply's cat Jonesy
[20:02] <KK> Fr a while there, I was worried that an alien had gotten into the cat, and we were going to have cat-busting into alien while he was in the hibernation pod with Ripley.
[20:02] <HoundMistress> I was worried about the cat.
[20:02] <CG> [discord] <tm_9039> "Alien: a woman tells the men what to do. They ignore her. She and a cat are the only ones to survive."
[20:03] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Sounds about right to me
[20:03] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> That'l teach em
[20:03] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I went to see "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan" with my high school bestie, and when it came to the scene where the space slug crawled into Chekov's ear, unbeknowst to me my friend had stuck his finger into his drink and then stuck it into my ear to freak me out. I ended up tossing half my drink into his lap, not on purpose, but that taught him not to try that again!  😄
[20:03] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> https://tenor.com/view/beam-phone-call-funny-laughing-gif-5958870
[20:03] <bynw> LOL Evie
[20:03] <KK> Interestingly, film cats are also apt to be orange. I believe Spock's Spot was an orange cat.
[20:03] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Good response Evie
[20:04] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> My favorite feminist movie. That and crouching tiger, but I hate the ending lol
[20:04] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> I never noticed before. Perhaps they stand out well on film?
[20:04] <HoundMistress> LOL! Gotta go! Catch y'all next week! Stay safe!
[20:04] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> cya HM
[20:04] <bynw> cya HM
[20:04] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Gnight HM
[20:04] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Have a good week, HM
[20:04] <The_Bee> by HMe
[20:04] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Bye HM
[20:04] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Gnight
[20:05] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> I believe Data's cat is also orange
[20:05] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Probably because nearly all orange cats (at least that I've personally known) have really chill personalities, which probably helps when it comes to training them for acting scenes
[20:05] <HoundMistress> Bye, all!
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[20:05] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> That is what I was thinking Nezz.  that Data's cat was orange
[20:05] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Bye HM
[20:05] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> If Luke had been any more laid back, he'd have been a corpse
[20:05] <KK> Bye, HM.
[20:06] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> That cat was pretty much bomb-proof
[20:06] <KK> Maybe it was Data's cat, not Spock's.
[20:06] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> I only had one orange cat,  during college years.  and she was scyizzo
[20:07] <KK> Daphne is still afraid of heavy rain and thunder, heads for a  hiding ace I've not yet discovered.
[20:07] <KK> place
[20:07] <The_Bee> I used to play with a neighbor's orangecat.  I'd run around dragging a long stem of grass, and he'd chase \
[20:07] <The_Bee> it
[20:07] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Homework left on the table became shredded paper.  Christmas balls became massive play things until they were distroyed.
[20:07] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> She was also somewhat rare if she was female, since that's a sex-linked trait (the orange fur), so only about 25% of orange tabbies are female.
[20:08] <KK> I've had two orange and white cats, and they were both sweeties, and full of personality.
[20:08] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Oh,  I did not know that
[20:08] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> She was a stray my sister had picked up from my grandsmas back yard
[20:09] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I'm sitting here near a sleeping orange tabby and another sleeping Void (black kitty).
[20:09] <bynw> i've had everything. long hair, short hair, orange ones, black ones, calico ones, black and white ones, stripped ones, and bengals
[20:09] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Oh wait, Simba must have sensed I was typing about him, because he just woke up.
[20:10] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> stripped? Does that mean no fur?
[20:10] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> cat sense
[20:10] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Probably meant striped rather than hairless
[20:10] <KK> Mine were both boys: the Marmalade Bear, Bear to his friends, whose story involved a white cat falling into a pot of marmalade, and not being able to wash it all off. The other, of course, was Augustus, or Gus. He was a heart cat.
[20:10] <bynw> yes striped
[20:11] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Now Ryuk is awake also
[20:11] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> I have two ginger moggies: Viggo and Beaker. Viggo was wild and ran away from home before he was a year old, and Beaker was just a wierd kitty. But we loved him.
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[20:11] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> They are probably wondering why I haven't fed them yet, but so far they are being patient
[20:12] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Ah. Yet another new Bee
[20:12] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Where is Daphne right now, KK?
[20:12] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> So more cats of your own, Evie?
[20:12] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Mr. Butters is also an orange tabby. Or more like an orange tubby, because he's on the high calorie side.
[20:12] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> I just realized my dogs are thinking the same thing about their forgotten lunch
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[20:13] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> No, I'm pet sitting for my DS this weekend
[20:13] <KK> And Daphne has just reminded me that its time to Feed the Cat, so I'd better check out. See you next week, same bat time/station.
[20:13] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Ah, that explains it
[20:13] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> See you later, KK!
[20:13] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> Have a good week, KK
[20:13] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> Good night KK.  take that nut and run with it.
[20:13] <CG> [discord] <tm_9039> Same CAT time, same CAT station.
[20:13] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Bye !
[20:13] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> have a great week, KK, and don't forget to feed the cat. 😄
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[20:13] <CG> [discord] <derynifank> Night KK. HAve a goof week
[20:13] <CG> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Have a great week!
[20:13] * KK steps onto her Portal, waves goodnight, and disappears in a shower of purple sparkles.
[20:14] <CG> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yes, it's been a blissful weekend of mostly writing and petting kitties and a very laid back dog. The other dog is at his favorite dog-sitter's house.
[20:14] <The_Bee27> Have good week, KK.  scritches and food to Daphne
[20:14] <CG> [discord] <jerusha2> I should go as well.  Have a good week, everyone!
[20:14] <KK> Nighters!
[20:14] <CG> [discord] <stnezz> Speaking of typos, that was a really good one, DFK. 😄
[20:14] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> I want tthe goof week ,  DKF
[20:14] <CG> [discord] <laurnarose> DFK
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Revanne you make a very good point. I can see that the canon would be very concerned, especially under the current circumstances.

Marc,  I love the aspect of Shape change that you have brought forth and has lead to a nice debate.  Keep up the good action.

And bear in mind that Canon Damien will have been out of his mind with worry for Aidan who has been missing all night in a time of rising tension. He is a young novice from up country and here he returns in the company of a student previously known for drunken brawling even if he did seem to have turned over a new leaf.

Canon Damien is a good man who sees himself "in loco parentis" for the young men in his care.

Also consider this to be a town of men, and more than half, young men. I think the authorities are use too and tired of, youthful antics, and reward for good and punishment for bad was likely the only way to keep the peace.

Friday, late morning

The late morning sun slanted through the dust-veiled windows of the Seminary Chapel, casting trembling slivers of gold across the worn faces of weathered icons. Father Theo stood at the altar, his seminary robes wrapped tightly around him, as if to hold in the fury brewing beneath his skin. His students currently dismissed to other duties before the next bell tolled for prayers and study.

Father Robert entered with haste, the thick silence of the chapel broken only by his footsteps. His voice came low, urgent.

"They've found one of the caches," he said.

Theo didn't turn. "Where?"

"The Bakers Guild. Rendered inert within the last few days. Those damned Deryni investigators have truly discovered our plans."

Now Theo turned—slowly, deliberately. His eyes held no surprise, only cold contempt.

"The Bishop should never have trusted those heretic mongrels," he spat. "He could have died in the inferno with the blessing of the Custodes. But he has turned to using foul sorcery. And now? He will pay the price for his lack of judgment."

"But the rest remains untouched," Robert added quickly. "The great Library. The bell tower crypt. The Mason's Lodge. All caches still burn beneath the skin of this Deryni city."

Theo stepped forward and placed his hand on Robert's shoulder—less comfort, more command.

"Then we move. Tonight."

Robert's breath caught. "You're certain?"

"There is no choice," Theo said. "The flames will speak before doubt does. Grecotha will learn that its sins have roots far deeper than parchment and prayer."

He retrieved a bundle sealed with wax and pressed it into Robert's hands.

"Notify the others. Every vault. Every wick. After dusk, we baptize and cleanse the city in fire."

Robert gave a single nod, turned, and vanished into the chapel's gloom.

Behind him, Theo remained motionless, staring at the altar as though it might crack open and swallow the whole world. And somewhere beneath cobbled streets and academic halls, the rest of the Byzantyun fire waited—patient, volatile, and unforgiving.

Oleg Niklaev strode with the pride of a highborn noble, but no one took it for anything more than the pride of a good student, on the way back to his apartment apart from the dormitories of the common students at the Grecothan University. But it was not to his apartment that he went, but behind it, into the shadowy, damp alleyway, out of sight. Amidst the scraps of wood, cloth, and other junk people were yet remiss to be truly rid of, he stood, impatiently, and quite beside himself. The bells had tolled the proper hour. His thrall, the canon's aide, should have arrived. "I am not a man to be kept waiting, Aiden," he said aloud, in a voice much more his own than that of a jester or a student's.

((Bede Sneaks 3d6 5 + 5 + 6)) Oleg heard a rustling of air and dirt shifting through a cloth behind him, then beheld a dusty, wet Bede Archer standing there, staring neutrally at him, but visibly armed with bow and sword, this time. "Macbee," he greeted him tersely.

"Hello, John," Oleg smiled as if he were truly happy to see him. No sense in changing shape now, he decided, sidling closer to the Mearan. "Have you come to thank me for getting that ugly mug warmed by a woman's embrace?" he snickered sincerely, but he did not believe in coincidences. Most certainly, his hypnotized little informant was compromised. But Archer preferred to handle things alone, in his own way. He could still handle the vainglorious rebel and go on about his day.

"I suppose I could. Thank ye for that. And for framing that poor gardener for a whole host of crimes, including one that would have discredited him as a witness against my petty antics."

"I didn't just frame him, foolish John. I convinced him. Like this," Oleg lifted his thumb to touch Bede's forehead theatrically. Bede let him. ((Jester MacBee/Oleg Hypnotizes 2d6 1 + 3))

((Bede Resistance 3d6 2 + 5 + 3)) When nothing happened save for Bede smiling like a wolf, Oleg's confidence faltered. ((Bede Strong  3d6 2 + 6 + 4)) The investigating archer snatched his arm in its place and held it steady, resisting Oleg's struggle to wrench himself free. ((Bede STRONG 3d6 5 + 4 + 4)) With a second arm, he twisted Oleg's arm in his practiced way, bending him down to his knees. But Oleg would not give up so easily. He furrowed his brow and concentrated, reaching out with his mind to the refuse around them, imagining it lifting and obeying his will like so many people. ((Oleg uses Telekinesis 2d6 1 + 4)) But it was not enough; he could not muster the necessary focus through the pain. Somewhere beyond his sight, a dog barked fiercely. ((Breyden The Dog Perception 3d6 2 + 1 + 5)) ((Oleg Shape Change 2d6 5 + 4)) Oleg had one more trick in his arsenal left, and Bede witnessed it in horror strong enough to almost loosen his grip. In his hands, he felt Oleg's flabby arms harden and sharpen in shape, his effete suppleness become more modest in aspect, his skin darken and hair lighten, until the face smiling haughtily at him was none other than Edwin's.

"Archer, I insist you let him go," Captain Phineas said, flanked by the two other guards that Bede and Edwin had saved Gwendolyn with, along with the loyal hound, Breyden. ((Captain Phineas Perception 2d6 1 + 1))((Quigley Perception 2d6 3 + 2))((Rauf Perception 2d6 2 + 3)) "Clearly, your friend Edwin is not the man we both came for. Stop these childish games at once."

"Are ye blind?" Bede cried. "Did ye na see Oleg confess to crimes and then try to hypnotize me with darker Deryni magic? That's who this is, I swear it!"

"You ... cannot be serious, Bede," "Edwin" grimaced, in unaccented speech. Oleg was not practiced enough for Edwin's exact speech, but who knew either man well enough to notice, besides Bede? He thanked his fiendish, disputed patron Saint Wencit that the guards, wherever they had waited for their part in the ambush, were less perceptive than a blind man.

"I damn well can be! Look at the knife he's carrying. That's a Mearan dirk. My father's Mearan dirk! He stole it from Edwin, along with the shirt he's wearing beneath his student's robes."

"Edwin stole Edwin's shirt, and your knife?" Quigley asked, perplexed. "Well, if you asked Edwin politely, I'm sure he'd be amenable to returning the knife, at the least."

Phineas stepped closer and spoke. "Master Scrivener, don't you have somewhere else you should be right now?" To which Oleg happily nodded, naturally.

Exasperated but refusing to let "Edwin" go, Bede struggled to prove what only he seemed to know for the truth. He noticed the dog Breyden was snarling, and he tensed, for he had limited experience with dogs in his own life, but noticed that the beast was snarling not at him, but at "Edwin". "Look at yer dog, men. He's never been mad at Edwin before, has he?" When he was met with agreeing silence, he ventured further. "Let's ask Edwin a question or two only we would all ken the truth of, yeah?" When Phineas agreed, Bede relaxed his grip slightly. "If ye are Edwin Scrivener, then have ye made use of this knife before?"

"Of course I have, you hateful oaf. It's the best thing you could have given me, and cuts like a bear's claw."

Unfortunately, that was true. But Bede was not finished. "How do we know these men?"

"We're always getting into trouble, and we are the canon's investigators."

Also true. No more room for light sparring. "Who was it that we saved with these men, and what is it you feel about him?"

"Why ... we saved Aiden, of course! Good lad, but regrettably impressionable."

"Did I say 'him'? My honest mistake. But the real Edwin would have Gwendolyn on his flighty mind at the mere sight of the men who helped save her. MacBee."

"Edwin"'s expression changed to imperious outrage with a hint of fear. "You do not understand. I am certainly not who you think I am. I have friends in high places! Far, near, and much higher than your stations! I am a direct descendant of Lukyan Niklaev, the Duke of Vaclav himself! You wouldn't dare touch me." That much was news, even to Bede, but the guards were unphased. It was not the first time a spoiled son had tried to strut his way over the laws of the city.

"Oh? But you dare touch the subjects of King Kelson?" queried Phineas, who flicked his gaze at Bede, now full of shared understanding and belief. The other guards moved to bind Oleg properly while Phineas calmly stated the charges, including theft, assault, impersonation, brainwashing, and possibly espionage, all done against His Majesty's subjects. "Although the full extent of such has yet to be determined," he finished.

As the guards carried him away, Bede secured his father's knife in its usual place, and exhaled the tension of the confrontation. Perhaps blood need not be shed for justice, at least not by him, today. Then he remembered the plans they had devised with their new ally Collos, and his cheer was choked.

"Have you any proof that de Guerra is behind this or that he knew of it?" Bishop Bernard asked.

I have heard this question before, and it didn't end well, Airich thought.

"I only have proof of Jasper's involvement," he said firmly. "Jasper is a cruel man, but he's a follower, not a leader. And he craves recognition and reward. I can't believe for a moment that he did not run to de Guerra with all of the gory details as soon as he left me. And why did Jasper return? Why not just leave me to the slow death he'd threatened me with? Was he sent to clean up the mess he made? The only person who could send him was de Guerra."

"This is still not proof," the bishop responded.

"Your Grace, we have discussed this before. I don't believe you would sanction torture. There is another way to get the information."

"A Deryni way!"  Bernard snapped.

"It may be the only way, especially since Jasper will have difficulty speaking for some time," Airich spoke as mildly as he could manage.

Bishop Bernard rose, walked to the window and stood with his back to Airich. Finally he turned.

"If these means must be used, they will be done so on the King's orders. I will turn Jasper and the other prisoners over to King Kelson's jurisdiction to pursue as he judges best. You will see to it, Sir Airich."

Airich could not keep the surprise out of his voice. "You removed my authority, your Grace."

The bishop picked up a rolled parchment from his desk. "I may have acted in haste, and I have had time to reconsider." He handed the parchment to the knight standing before him. "Your warrant has been renewed."


The old monk had directed Jimmy into the bishop's office as soon as Airich left it. Airich had raised a rolled parchment triumphantly in the direction of Elspeth and proceeded to untie his sword from its scabbard. The knight had left with a much lighter step, albeit still a slow one, than when he had arrived.

Jimmy Taylor rose from his bow and kissed the bishop's ring. He waited for the bishop to speak.

"I have issued a new warrant for Sir Airich O'Flynn," the bishop said. "But I want a Purple Guardsman with them as they continue to search for those, Willimite or not, who continue to threaten Grecotha, her university and her people." He gave Jimmy a look that did not invite discussion. "I can't spare Phillip or Hawthorne, so that guardsman will be you."   

"As you wish, your Grace," Jimmy replied.

"Keep an eye on them. Note what they do and who they talk to. Report to me directly as necessary." Before Jimmy could say more he added, "And yes, I will inform Phillip that you're following my orders."

Sir Iain Cameron left; his step was as light as Airich's had been.

Well, that's clear as mud! 

Since this did come up in the context of gaming Deryni powers ... and Shape Change specifically. I did some research on D&D and shape changing magic to see if scent was included or not. And this is what I found:

🧪 Rules as Written (RAW)
In Dungeons & Dragons 5e, the Polymorph spell replaces the target's physical form and statistics with those of the chosen beast. This includes physiology, movement, and natural abilities — but the rules don't explicitly mention scent. So by RAW, it's ambiguous.

🐾 Rules as Interpreted (RAI) and Common Rulings Many Dungeon Masters interpret polymorph as a full physical transformation, which would logically include scent. After all, if you polymorph into a wolf, your body now has fur, glands, and biology consistent with a wolf — so it's reasonable to assume you'd smell like one too. This interpretation is supported by discussions in forums like D&D Beyond and Paizo, where GMs often rule that transmutation spells like Polymorph do change scent, while illusion spells like Disguise Self do not.

🐶 Can It Fool a Dog?
Yes — if the scent changes, it could fool a dog or other scent-reliant creature. But it depends on:

• The creature's intelligence and training • Whether it's familiar with the original scent • How recently the polymorph occurred (some GMs rule that residual scent might linger)


Some GMs even add flavor by requiring a Perception vs. Disguise or Insight check to determine if the animal detects something off.

🎲 DM's Call
Ultimately, it's up to your DM. If scent plays a major role in your campaign — say, tracking by dire wolves or magical scent wards — it's worth discussing at the table. You could even homebrew a rule where scent lingers for a short time unless magically masked.


So even in the world's most famous roll playing game. It isn't cut and dry. There are cases where it probably is but in others definitely not. The rest is murky.

The same applies in Deryni games too. It's not really clear in DAG, the only official Deryni RPG. It's not mentioned at all which leaves it to the GM to decide and best guess.

There are reasons to say it does. And just as valid to say it does not. 

Quote from: DerynifanK on July 11, 2025, 12:38:29 PMI have to say the clergy in Grecotha do not impress me. They seem to be very rigid, not at all kind or understanding, very focused on punishment. They do not reflect the teachings of Christianity.

Perhaps not, though they do seem to reflect large portions of actual medieval Church history. Human are humans, no matter what time period they live in, and often fall short of the ideal.