The Worlds of Katherine Kurtz

Off Topic => Tid Bits => Topic started by: revanne on July 14, 2014, 03:22:58 PM

Title: Bit of a special day
Post by: revanne on July 14, 2014, 03:22:58 PM
Up at five am today so that DS and I could go to listen to the debate on allowing women Bishops in the Church of England.

General Synod (parliament of the Church of England) voted against by a very narrow margin in 2012 and a lot of work has been done over the last two years in helping the different sides to listen to each other. I felt proud of my church because with a few exceptions the debate was carried out with a lot of grace and courtesy, and yes(!) this time it got through.

Few people in their right minds would want to be a Bishop but it feels as though we're not second-class priests any more.

Couldn't help thinking of Duncan at the Synod in Valoret, a scene which always makes me cry.
Title: Re: Bit of a special day
Post by: Evie on July 14, 2014, 04:49:49 PM
Quote from: revanne on July 14, 2014, 03:22:58 PM
Couldn't help thinking of Duncan at the Synod in Valoret, a scene which always makes me cry.

Was that when he was formally absolved for accepting ordination even though being a Deryni priest was against the law at the time he took his vows?  I love that scene too, especially his emotional reaction in it.  (Then again, what Duncan scene don't I love?   :D )
Title: Re: Bit of a special day
Post by: derynifanatic64 on July 14, 2014, 07:58:26 PM
Duncan for president!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bit of a special day
Post by: Evie on July 14, 2014, 09:40:08 PM
Naah, Duncan's too smart to want that job!   ;D
Title: Re: Bit of a special day
Post by: revanne on July 15, 2014, 12:26:18 AM


Was that when he was formally absolved for accepting ordination even though being a Deryni priest was against the law at the time he took his vows?  I love that scene too, especially his emotional reaction in it.  (Then again, what Duncan scene don't I love?   :D )
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Yes -I think it's just such a brilliantly written scene but I hate it when he's kneeling there on his own while they take the vote.
Quote from: derynifanatic64 on July 14, 2014, 07:58:26 PM
Duncan for president!!!!!!
I think Kelson might have an opinion on that!
Title: Re: Bit of a special day
Post by: Elkhound on July 15, 2014, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: revanne on July 15, 2014, 12:26:18 AMDuncan for president!!!!!!
I think Kelson might have an opinion on that!
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Are there any examples of Republics in the Deryniverse?  Anything analogous to the Italian city-states, for example, or the Imperial Free Cities in Germany (who, although technically part of the Holy Roman Empire, functioned as such) or the Swiss Cantons?
Title: Re: Bit of a special day
Post by: Evie on July 15, 2014, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: Elkhound on July 15, 2014, 10:13:48 AM
Are there any examples of Republics in the Deryniverse?  Anything analogous to the Italian city-states, for example, or the Imperial Free Cities in Germany (who, although technically part of the Holy Roman Empire, functioned as such) or the Swiss Cantons?

I don't recall specific mentions of the sort within the kingdoms mentioned in canon (they were the "Eleven Kingdoms," after all), unless the Forcinn Buffer States are meant to being analogous, and/or maybe the Connait.  KK seems to imply that the Connait isn't part of Gwynedd but is a collection of small states that sometimes work cooperatively and sometimes fight amongst themselves, though in some of that description I see ancient Wales more than medieval Italy.
Title: Re: Bit of a special day
Post by: revanne on July 15, 2014, 12:40:55 PM
I was going to suggest the Forcinn States or the Connait.

In the real world some medieval countries were elective monarchies for a while, Poland being one, and in origin the Holy Roman Emperor was elected -hence George I of England was also the Elector of Hannover i.e. he was one who elected the HRE. In practise it soon became a formality and was really hereditary in the Hapsburg line.

Some medieval kingdoms were what we would think of as non-democratic republics - in other words the ruler was chosen by a very small electorate, or imposed by military power and was not necessarily hereditary but power would be bequeathed.
Title: Re: Bit of a special day
Post by: Elkhound on July 15, 2014, 01:02:26 PM
The Forcin States are monarchies, although the rulers have the title of 'Prince' rather than 'King'---at least, so far as we've been told.

In our world, some of the Italian cities were republics---Venice, Sienna, Florence (at least sometimes) etc.--although hardly democratic ones.  San Marino, in the Italian peninsula, claims to be the oldest republic in the world.