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Evie

Quote from: DerynifanK on January 23, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
I just don't see why bynw had to kill off Akaric, but early on it sounded like he died in battle repulsing an invasion of Corwyn  and killed Teymuraz. Am I remembering it right?

Yes, as I recall that was the scenario he gave for the circumstances of Alaric's death.  Killing Teymuraz off bought Gwynedd another few years of time before his sons got old enough to make power plays of their own, although Alaric lost his own life in the process.
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Bynw

Quote from: DerynifanK on January 23, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
Actually if you read the account of Kenneth's death it is consistent with a heart attack. I just don't see why bynw had to kill off Akaric, but early on it sounded like he died in battle repulsing an invasion of Corwyn  and killed Teymuraz. Am I remembering it right?

You are correct. Alaric Morgan, Duke of Corwyn died in battle defending Corwyn and Gwynedd from a southern invasion attempt by Teymuraz. Both died during the conflict.
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DerynifanK

What I really hate about Alaric's  death is that it seems to have been timed to deny him the joy of his grandchildren, He would be a wonderful grandfather and his children were deprived of a wonderful experience
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revanne

Quote from: Bynw on January 23, 2018, 02:25:23 PM
The authority and influence of the Camberian Council has been waining since the days of King Donal, Kelson's grandfather. This trend continued into Kelson's reign to the point now that the Camberian Council, who thinks mighty highly of themselves, is all but a joke outside of Gwynedd itself. The fear and authority it once had on Deryni in the 11 Kingdoms is long gone. However it still holds influence in Gwynedd itself.

Here the existance of the council is somewhat known even to Humans. Its existance was whispered about to help ease the fear of Deryni within Gwynedd. The existance of a Deryni court where wayward Deryni who misuse their power will be tried and punished. The membership is still secret. Although some members are known. It is known that Denis Arlin is on the Camberian Council.

I can see that given the CC's (and Sefan Coram's) role in the death of Wencit et al the reputation of the CC would have been irretrievably damaged in countries hostile (or potentially so) to Gwynedd.

Also are we to understand from this that Denis Arilan is still alive - he would I think be into his 80's?
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Evie

Quote from: revanne on January 25, 2018, 06:25:38 AM
Quote from: Bynw on January 23, 2018, 02:25:23 PM
The authority and influence of the Camberian Council has been waining since the days of King Donal, Kelson's grandfather. This trend continued into Kelson's reign to the point now that the Camberian Council, who thinks mighty highly of themselves, is all but a joke outside of Gwynedd itself. The fear and authority it once had on Deryni in the 11 Kingdoms is long gone. However it still holds influence in Gwynedd itself.

Here the existance of the council is somewhat known even to Humans. Its existance was whispered about to help ease the fear of Deryni within Gwynedd. The existance of a Deryni court where wayward Deryni who misuse their power will be tried and punished. The membership is still secret. Although some members are known. It is known that Denis Arlin is on the Camberian Council.

I can see that given the CC's (and Sefan Coram's) role in the death of Wencit et al the reputation of the CC would have been irretrievably damaged in countries hostile (or potentially so) to Gwynedd.

Also are we to understand from this that Denis Arilan is still alive - he would I think be into his 80's?

If he is still alive, he may well be one of the coadjutors of the Council by now. IIRC, Barrett was in his 80s when we saw him in that role on the Council.  (Jehana was only something like half his age when they married.)

I don't think that Stefan Coram's actions would have been known to anyone outside of the Wards, given that no one outside of them had a clear view of what was happening (including the Council, IIRC), and none of our Gwyneddan survivors are likely to go telling others the true story of what happened that day.  "Well, yeah, our side won, but we really didn't win fair and square; it was someone from the CC pretending to be a Torenthi who betrayed that side and won the day for us."  You're right, that wouldn't go down well with anyone outside of Gwynedd, especially anyone in Torenth, so why in the world would Kelson et al make that public knowledge?  ;D And as for the rest of the Council's participation, all anyone else knows who saw and took note of them is that four mysterious people on horseback showed up, took part in helping set the opening terms of the duel, and then waited for the outcome like everyone else present. So I'm not sure that would have influenced anyone's opinion of them one way or the other.

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Laurna

This leads me to an idea. Do you think Jehenna would have become a CC member, say 20 years after her marriage to Barret? He would have seen to her full training. She understood being a leader and running royal council meetings. She would have followed in Barrett's shoes and she would hold standards high to be in line with Kelson's standards. Her one down fall is that she likely never got over not liking Morgan, so she may not have been too friendly with his family even in later times. Or maybe she learned to appreciate the children who played with her young daughter?
What do you think?
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Evie

Given that she didn't like Morgan because she was convinced Deryni were evil and that Morgan was the one responsible for leading Brion down a highway straight to the gates of Hell, so to speak, I think her reason for disliking him would eventually evaporate once she becomes convinced that Deryni aren't inherently evil, and that she's wronged Morgan for decades. Granted, that in itself could lead to some awkwardness around him, but I can't see her so much holding a grudge against him long after any reason for that grudge has passed, as I can imagine her avoiding him due to embarrassment and shame regarding her previous behavior towards him.  After all, at one point she wanted him dead and tried to engineer that; it might be difficult to look him in the eye with both of them knowing that, even after her feelings about Deryni have changed for the better.
"In necessariis unitas, in non-necessariis libertas, in utrisque caritas."

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Jerusha

Although Jehanna's feelings toward Deryni have changed, especially after her marriage to Barrett,  I don't think the Camberian Council would trust her completely enough to accept her into their ranks. 
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 -- Old English Litany

Evie

If Denis dies or gets to a point when he needs to retire from the CC due to declining health or what-not, it could be that his nephew Seisyll or one of the other younger Arilans might step into that position, though, given that Jamyl was on the CC before Denis, so it seems to be a family tradition.
"In necessariis unitas, in non-necessariis libertas, in utrisque caritas."

--WARNING!!!--
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revanne

Quote from: Evie on January 25, 2018, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: revanne on January 25, 2018, 06:25:38 AM
Quote from: Bynw on January 23, 2018, 02:25:23 PM
The authority and influence of the Camberian Council has been waining since the days of King Donal, Kelson's grandfather. This trend continued into Kelson's reign to the point now that the Camberian Council, who thinks mighty highly of themselves, is all but a joke outside of Gwynedd itself. The fear and authority it once had on Deryni in the 11 Kingdoms is long gone. However it still holds influence in Gwynedd itself.

Here the existance of the council is somewhat known even to Humans. Its existance was whispered about to help ease the fear of Deryni within Gwynedd. The existance of a Deryni court where wayward Deryni who misuse their power will be tried and punished. The membership is still secret. Although some members are known. It is known that Denis Arlin is on the Camberian Council.

I can see that given the CC's (and Sefan Coram's) role in the death of Wencit et al the reputation of the CC would have been irretrievably damaged in countries hostile (or potentially so) to Gwynedd.

Also are we to understand from this that Denis Arilan is still alive - he would I think be into his 80's?

If he is still alive, he may well be one of the coadjutors of the Council by now. IIRC, Barrett was in his 80s when we saw him in that role on the Council.  (Jehana was only something like half his age when they married.)

I don't think that Stefan Coram's actions would have been known to anyone outside of the Wards, given that no one outside of them had a clear view of what was happening (including the Council, IIRC), and none of our Gwyneddan survivors are likely to go telling others the true story of what happened that day.  "Well, yeah, our side won, but we really didn't win fair and square; it was someone from the CC pretending to be a Torenthi who betrayed that side and won the day for us."  You're right, that wouldn't go down well with anyone outside of Gwynedd, especially anyone in Torenth, so why in the world would Kelson et al make that public knowledge?  ;D And as for the rest of the Council's participation, all anyone else knows who saw and took note of them is that four mysterious people on horseback showed up, took part in helping set the opening terms of the duel, and then waited for the outcome like everyone else present. So I'm not sure that would have influenced anyone's opinion of them one way or the other.
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Evie

Quote from: revanne on January 25, 2018, 02:59:24 PM

Brain not functioning today.

Mine either.  Started sneezing and sniffling last night, and even though Sudafed seems to have helped with that, I'm also cold and sleepy (since also waking out of a sound sleep in the pre-dawn hours for no reason did not help), so I'm not sure how active Aliset is going to be in the next 24 hours if I can't get my brain jump-started again.   :-\
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Laurna

Evie get healthy fast. this years cold/flu is especially nasty so rest and sleep.

I am personally enjoying the respite from actively running from the bad guys. I got a good night's sleep and feel better for it.
May your horses have wings and fly!

DerynifanK

Take care Evie. This year's  flu is particularly bad and you need to focus on getting  better 
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Jerusha

My brain could use a bit of recharging as well.  Get well soon, Evie, while we look for a Portal to whisk us all off to Rhemuth.

One can dream....
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DesertRose

It's a game.  It'll be there when all the players (and the GM) are feeling well and have gotten a decent amount of sleep.  :D

That being said, it's fun to read the game thread.   ;D

Maybe I should put some chicken noodle soup and hot toddies on the chat room tea table?  ;)
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