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The Deryni FAQ (including pronunciation guides)

Started by Bynw, January 20, 2017, 10:18:17 AM

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drakensis

I hadn't noticed (although it is cited above) until watching a youtube video about medieval wales that the dd at the end of Gwynedd is pronounced as a th.

That's going to be a hard habit to break.

DoctorM

Quote from: drakensis on July 29, 2023, 02:04:45 AMI hadn't noticed (although it is cited above) until watching a youtube video about medieval wales that the dd at the end of Gwynedd is pronounced as a th.

That's going to be a hard habit to break.

Just put it down to local dialect and go with a "th" or a "d" at your pleasure.

revanne

dd is pronounced th in Welsh - at least its easier on English speakers than the Welsh ll which is like the ch in loch.
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DoctorM

Quote from: revanne on July 29, 2023, 12:44:00 PMdd is pronounced th in Welsh - at least its easier on English speakers than the Welsh ll which is like the ch in loch.

So the correct pronunciation of Llannedd would be something like "Ch'an-eth?

That's...well...almost disturbing.

Nezz

Quote from: DoctorM on July 29, 2023, 02:15:01 PMSo the correct pronunciation of Llannedd would be something like "Ch'an-eth?

That's...well...almost disturbing.

To pronounce the Welsh "LL," form your tongue like you're going to make the American LL sound, but then breathe out both side of your tongue while you make the sound, so you're making a sound that's a cross between "ll" and "h." It's very breathy with only the barest hint of the "L" sound.
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DoctorM

Quote from: Nezz on July 29, 2023, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: DoctorM on July 29, 2023, 02:15:01 PMSo the correct pronunciation of Llannedd would be something like "Ch'an-eth?

That's...well...almost disturbing.

And now I'll be up all night practicing this in the mirror.

To pronounce the Welsh "LL," form your tongue like you're going to make the American LL sound, but then breathe out both side of your tongue while you make the sound, so you're making a sound that's a cross between "ll" and "h." It's very breathy with only the barest hint of the "L" sound.

drakensis

Did anyone ever tell the welsh that spelling is supposed to be phonetic?   :P

tmcd

Did anyone ever tell the English that spelling is supposed to be phonetic? People writing in English have absolutely no stones to throw; we're living in the Crystal Palace.

Avisa

In its way, Welsh really is phonetic, more so than English! It just has very different orthography. Once you know the rules, things are pretty straightforward, unlike in English where things zigzag all over the place thanks to way too many languages sticking their fingers into the vocabulary.