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revanne's FanFic / Re: Gryphons are brave too. Chapter three
« Last post by Laurna on Today at 04:49:27 pm »


Although he[Alaric] has had great power from an early age he doesn't come across to me as being domineering. However he is impulsive and having launched out on his own way without thinking to ask others, he doesn't like to deal with any of the conflict it might cause and just hopes it will all come out right. I also think that he doesn't like hurting or upsetting others (in canon Richenda over letting her be in charge in Coroth, and tiptoeing around Derry's fear of magic) so he just refuses to deal with the issue which then causes more trouble.


I agree with you whole heartily. I especially agree that Alaric forged his own independence from a very early age, with out the guiding influence of male Deryni instructors. He learn much  from his father, from Lyon, and from Brion, all wonderful role models, but in the ways of Deryni, Alaric  followed his own path learning to stumble through Arcane bogs and rocking canyons alike. When it comes to family, he does seem to "tiptoe around" any problems, and "refuses to deal with the issues". I like your point of view, Revanne. And I like watching Alaric learn to deal with the small issues he had never considered before. So much FUN, indeed!
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Gryphons are brave too. Chapter three
« Last post by revanne on Today at 02:42:56 pm »
Glad you liked it.

I'm hoping that our Deryni Duke will learn to listen, like you say Jerusha, but we would be best advised not to hold our breath, although he obviously loves Richenda and Briony deeply, and from canon is clearly willing for Richenda to have her own thoughts and develop her scholarship. Although he could barely remember his mother, I'm sure he was taught a great deal about her by his father, and learnt from his father how a good marriage works. As later from Vera and Jared.

Although he has had great power from an early age he doesn't come across to me as being domineering. However he is impulsive and having launched out on his own way without thinking to ask others, he doesn't like to deal with any of the conflict it might cause and just hopes it will all come out right. I also think that he doesn't like hurting or upsetting others (in canon Richenda over letting her be in charge in Coroth, and tiptoeing around Derry's fear of magic) so he just refuses to deal with the issue which then causes more trouble.

That's my take anyway! So in my story, the sensible thing to have done would have been to recognise that Kelric had got himself worked up and taking him to the Cathedral was now definitely a bad idea. Instead he just went ahead and ignored all the danger signs. But mainly it was just a bit of fun.




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revanne's FanFic / Re: Gryphons are brave too. Chapter three
« Last post by Laurna on April 27, 2017, 11:31:38 pm »
Yes! Big brother Brendan to save the day. I love how he proved to his little brother how the big green dragon was not his step-father's gryphon. Huzzah! Brendan, Huzzah!
I can so feel Big sister Briony's pain for the embarrassment she knew was coming. Her desire to disappear from there touched my shy soul.
What a lovely family moment, not soon to be forgotten.
Thank you Revanne.

P.S. I had to read if from the very beginning, made it that much more fun. Poor, sweat Richenda, she may yet learn just how much she is loved from days like this one.
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Very interesting! It makes a lot of sense. (Far more sense than the stupid list that goes around Facebook every so often about ancient practices that became modern cliches like "raining cats and dogs")
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Gryphons are brave too. Chapter three
« Last post by DerynifanK on April 27, 2017, 08:00:58 pm »
Hurrah for Brendan  to the rescue! Wonderful end to the story. Never a dull minute when taking small children to plays.
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Gryphons are brave too. Chapter three
« Last post by Jerusha on April 27, 2017, 07:11:24 pm »
Oh, wonderful, wonderful!  Kudos to quick thinking Brendan.  Perhaps our Grace of Corwyn will remember to listen to the women in his family....  ;D
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revanne's FanFic / Kelson Era FanFic Gryphons are brave too. Chapter three
« Last post by revanne on April 27, 2017, 03:43:45 pm »
Sitting on his father's knee, next to Briony, Kelric had performed one of those magical transformations of which even fully human four year-olds are capable. Feeling entirely safe, his previous crankiness forgotten, he was gazing in open-mouthed wonder at the bursts of flame. Brendan, on Briony’s other side, was  prepared to enjoy the spectacle to come with the uncomplicated delight of a hard-worked young squire revelling in an unexpected holiday.

Glancing in frustration at her family, it seemed to Briony that only she realised the chaos that was about to be unleashed. Papa, she ventured, but although she was rewarded with a smile and a squeeze of her hand, they came with a mental prohibition, absolute for all its gentleness, against any further comment. Brendan, then, with rather less respect in her mental tone, but he, too, simply smiled good-naturedly and turned his eyes back to the unfolding story. At heart a sweet-natured child, and realising that she had not been of much help to her mother so far, she did not want to cause her any more trouble now that she was at last relaxing enough to rest her hand on her husband’s free arm. Dare she try to touch her little brother’s mind? Kelric. It was hardly more than a mental whisper, but in response he squirmed on Papa’s lap and looked at her crossly.

Briony! Shame on you. I said “no more”. Hear me now.

Yes, Papa.

Why were adults so stupid? In desperation she wondered if she dared try to reach Papa Duncan, but fear of her father’s anger stopped her even as she had the thought.

It was in any case too late as, with a final burst of flame, a magnificent green dragon came charging through the flimsy barrier of the screen, folds of green cloth hiding the legs of the mummers inside. Higher on the body, made of cloth draped across a light wooden frame, diamonds of thinly hammered tin had been pierced and sewn to the fabric so that they glimmered in the candle light as the beast writhed in menace. Groans of delighted fear swept the audience; Kelric, though, was quivering with excitement. Briony thought crossly that if magic was as powerful as everyone said, then surely she should be able to magic herself away from the Cathedral. She focused hard inside herself as she had been taught, took deep breaths, and imagined herself on the warm and comforting lap of Nurse Evie.

Briony! What is the matter with you today child?

Sorry,  Papa.


She was unable to keep a sob out of her mental voice. She had rarely known her father really angry with her, but she hated to know his displeasure. Alaric, though, was more exasperated and worried than angry. He was honest enough to know that he did not always understand Richenda, now he realised that as Briony grew into girlhood he would not fully understand her either. And then there was Grania… For now, though, it seemed that peace having been restored with his wife, conflict was looming with his daughter. He shot an unusual  glance of envy at Duncan, then gently disengaged his arm from around Kelric and reached out to draw Briony to his side.

“Is there none who will save us?” howled the man still kneeling at Duncan’s feet. “See, it comes and will not be sated until it has tasted pure maiden flesh!” The crowd groaned in thrilled terror, and the dragon did its best to look fierce, despite being deprived of its flame, as it lashed its tail and roared showing an expanse of scarlet tongue and wicked looking teeth.

Momentarily unrestrained, since both of Alaric’s arms were otherwise occupied, Kelric saw his chance. Crowing with joy, he slipped from his father’s knee and ran towards the dragon crying out, “It’s our Gryphon!” By this time, though, the dragon was past the Ducal party at the front of the Cathedral, having aimed for a particularly buxom young woman pressing herself, in mock terror, against a pillar about half-way down the nave. Well into her prearranged role, she was screaming enthusiastically as the dragon opened wide, its jaws clearly intent on a succulent meal.

“Hold, foul beast! Thou shalt not have thy prey!”

Through the Cathedral door strode a knight, sword in hand, whose shining mail was covered with a pure white surcoat quartered by the crimson cross of St. George. The dragon swung round to meet this new challenge, to find itself impeded by a small boy who was shouting, “It’s our Gryphon! Nasty man not hurt Papa’s Gryphon! Fight, Gryphon! Gryphons are brave too!”

St George stood paralysed. The play had been well-rehearsed down to the last word and the smallest movement.  At no point had it been suggested to the good saint that his opponent would acquire a noble protector, albeit one less than three feet tall. It would perhaps have comforted him to know that his paralysis was shared in exalted quarters, as their Graces of Corwyn stared at one another in mutual reproach while a quiet voice Mind-Spoke, I tried to tell you. Briony sank further into her seat and looked fixedly at the floor, ignoring everything that was happening around her.

Brendan, however, became suddenly alert, for into his mind flashed a memory of a small boy, not much older than Kelric, and the man who had made a gryphon on a banner flap his wings. He sent a quick Thank you, father to Alaric, who wondered why he was being thanked for upsetting Brendan’s mother, ignoring his own daughter, failing to keep hold of his son, and allowing the scene to degenerate into uproar. Duncan would have his guts for this.

Not expecting a reply, Brendan slipped from his seat and pushed his way through the crowd of spectators. He breathed a prayer of thanks to whichever saint had been responsible for Prince Nigel’s permission to lay aside his Haldane livery for the day, and another, still more fervent, prayer of supplication to St. Camber that his plan would work.

Hanging from the wall of the Cathedral, alongside the seats of honour especially brought in for the ducal party, was the great ducal banner of Corwyn. Slipping behind his brother’s barely formed shields, he could tell that Kelric truly thought that he was protecting his Papa’s Gryphon. Hush now! It's not our Gryphon. Look, he’s flown away to be safe! At least Kelric was startled enough to stop shouting. Hoping that he had imbibed enough of the air of authority his step-father exuded, Brendan rapidly issued instructions: to the maiden, “Start screaming again, noisily!”; to  St. George, “Use your sword, that’s what it’s for!” and to the dragon, “Die, as dramatically as you can!”.

St. George was still too shocked to respond, but the dragon and the maiden had quicker wits. The dragon flung itself at St George, desperately trying to impale itself on his sword, whilst the front end hissed, “Slit my throat, you fool.” The maiden grasped that what was needed was a distraction, so she screamed with renewed vigour and writhing around in her panic managed to reveal rather more leg than was seemly. Brendan seized the opportunity to swing Kelric into his arms and took him out of the centre of attention. He was very gratified to hear as he passed the dragon, “Well done, m’lad, erm, m’lord.”

Sensing that Kelric was again getting distressed, Brendan again spoke into his mind. Watch now and I'll show you our Gryphon. Rather belatedly he glanced around, for magic was still something best not done overtly in public, and certainly not in church. Thankfully St. George had now come to his senses and was hacking at the dragon with a not entirely feigned ferocity. Strips of scarlet cloth were being hastily pushed out through the rips in the fabric to show where the beast had been injured. The three men inside the dragon were groaning horribly, and the maiden, having given up screaming, was loudly cheering on her rescuer. If Brendan had any say in the matter, he would see to it that they were liberally rewarded. Attention was now returned to the play and few, if any, were watching what he was doing. The battle between St. George and the dragon had been intended to take place at the chancel steps so that the dignitaries would have the best view; those at the back were therefore delighted at this unwonted opportunity to see clearly what was happening.

See that great banner over there, Kelric. Watch closely now! Using the light reflected off the gold cross on the altar to focus, Brendan concentrated as he had been taught, and to his relief was rewarded by a delighted crow of joy from Kelric, as the fabric which made up the  Gryphon's wings rippled up from the banner and flapped once, twice, three times. Then he felt a sense of worry from Kelric as he whispered, “Gryphons are brave, aren't they? But didn't ours run away?” Of course they are brave. Look, he’s helping Papa to guard Maman and Briony. On cue, the Gryphon’s beak opened in a silent shriek. Kelric smiled happily and nuzzled his head into Brendan’s shoulder.

Brendan carried his brother back to the rest of the ducal party to be greeted by smiles of relief from his mother and sister. He was taken aback though, when Alaric stood and inclined his head in respect. “Thank you, my Lord of Marley. I owe you for this.” He was relieved when with a return to his more normal manner, his step-father added, Well done, son. Forget St. George, this should be St. Brendan’s day. I'll ask Duncan to see about it - once he’s stopped tearing strips off me, that is.
 
Brendan sent a quick account of what had happened, then added, You are welcome, father. And I'm only returning the favour. Don't you remember the great hall here in the castle, the Christmas Court before you and mother were married? Alaric looked puzzled for a moment, then smiled reminiscently before reaching out to take Kelric. Kelric, however, had other ideas and clung sleepily to his brother.

“With your permission, father, mother, I’d best take him out.” Richenda, who felt that she could not take any more embarrassment, though she knew that Alaric would ensure that any criticism fell on his shoulders, nodded mute agreement. Alaric smiled gratefully at Brendan and gave his consent. “That’s a good idea, walk back up to the castle. There are some of our men at the back, just inside the door; say that one of them is to come with you. And Kelric, hear me now, do as Brendan says.” Kelric nodded happily. Brendan bowed as gracefully as he could,  encumbered as he was, and turned to go, only to find a small hand pressed into his free one. “Please can I come, too?” Briony whispered, and receiving a shooing gesture from her father, bobbed a curtsey and walked off happily with her brothers.

Well, this has been an utter disaster.

Not at all, my lady, it just shows what a wonderful son you have. Alaric sighed. I can see, though, that I will have plenty of penance to perform this afternoon. I have to make it up to Briony for not having listened to her. Then there's Duncan. I have to apologise to him for nearly ruining his carefully planned performance, although he has, at last, deigned to speak to me and assured me that his stern expression was only because he was trying desperately not to laugh. Then make sure that Nigel knows what a help Brendan was, in case any other rumours have reached him. Doubtless Kelson will have heard some version of what happened, and I’ll have to endure his comments too. And my purse will lighter by no small amount, the reward those mummers have earned. Brendan says that he was recognised by the dragon’s head, and he thinks the man is a man-at-arms at the castle. If so, I’ll speak to Nigel; with that initiative he should be a serjeant at least.

And finally, I need to apologise to my wife, who told me that Kelric was too young to bring. I’ll do so properly later - the look he gave Richenda would have caused her to blush had her cheeks not already been fiery red -but in the meantime…. Alaric put his hands around Richenda’s waist and, turning her towards him, planted a kiss on her lips.

Alaric! Everyone will be looking.

Nonsense. They’ve given us up as hopeless and are too interested in what’s happening back in the nave. Let’s go and see. You don’t suppose I could somehow make the dragon win? It deserves it.

You, my lord, have caused quite enough trouble already.

But she allowed him to take her hand and, decorum already lost, they joined the throng cheering on St. George, Alaric firmly refusing any who tried to give place to them.
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Chat Logs / KK Chat -- 23 April 2017
« Last post by DesertRose on April 23, 2017, 07:30:29 pm »
Apr 23 19:02:56 *   KK has joined
Apr 23 19:02:58 <revanne>   Unfortunately I can't listen to it as it would wake up a sleeping DH you may not appreciate being roused thus rudely from his slumbers.
Apr 23 19:03:00 <Jemler>   hi kk
Apr 23 19:03:05 <Evie>   Hi KK
Apr 23 19:03:08 <revanne>   Hi kk
Apr 23 19:03:19 <Derynifank>   Hi KK
Apr 23 19:03:24 <KK>   Hello, all.
Apr 23 19:03:29 <EPCarpenter>   I've matured over the years- I listen to Jeanne Robertson now.
Apr 23 19:03:35 <EPCarpenter>   Hiya KK!
Apr 23 19:04:00 <KK>   So, what's everyone up to?
Apr 23 19:04:17 <EPCarpenter>   No good  ;-)
Apr 23 19:04:22 <Jemler>   don't send a man shopping for groceries.
Apr 23 19:04:39 <EPCarpenter>   Another Jeanne fan!
Apr 23 19:04:45 <Jemler>   lol
Apr 23 19:04:54 <Evie>   I just got home from a craft fair at St. Bernard's Abbey about an hour and a half north of here. Didn't have time to visit their grotto with the miniature Jerusalem in it, sadly, but I did pick up two little saint medallions for Duncan and Alaric that I think will work for St Camber medallions.
Apr 23 19:05:07 <Derynifank>   You can send a man if you hive him a list
Apr 23 19:05:10 <Jemler>   we're talking about hee-haw and minnie pearl.
Apr 23 19:05:18 <KK>   Cool.  How big are they?
Apr 23 19:05:28 <revanne>   Nice. Medallions that is.
Apr 23 19:05:29 *   Jerusha (Mibbit@OWIRCN-c292b173.dsl.bell.ca) has joined
Apr 23 19:05:34 <Jemler>   hi jerusha
Apr 23 19:05:38 <KK>   (They always stray from the list.)
Apr 23 19:05:43 <Jerusha>   Hi Everyone!
Apr 23 19:05:44 <revanne>   Hi Jerusha
Apr 23 19:05:49 <Evie>   https://www.flickr.com/gp/9573389@N08/wB44r8  Here's a photo of Duncan wearing his.
Apr 23 19:05:50 <KK>   Hi, Jerusha.
Apr 23 19:05:58 <Jerusha>   Hi KK
Apr 23 19:06:22 <KK>   Not bad, Evie.  What saints are they?
Apr 23 19:06:31 <Jemler>   i like the celtic knot.
Apr 23 19:06:34 <Evie>   I'm thinking St. Bernard.
Apr 23 19:06:37 <Derynifank>   Cool medaĺions
Apr 23 19:06:39 <Jerusha>   Is that Duncan's St Camber medal?
Apr 23 19:06:52 <Evie>   It is now
Apr 23 19:07:01 <Jerusha>   :D
Apr 23 19:07:08 <Jemler>   wouldn't a small cask of randy be more apropos?
Apr 23 19:07:18 <Evie>   I put it on silver stretch elastic to make it go over his head easily
Apr 23 19:07:18 <Jemler>   wouldn't a small cask of brandy be more apropos?
Apr 23 19:07:33 <Jerusha>   Um, maybe brandy for a priest
Apr 23 19:07:38 <Evie>   I knew you'd go there, Jemler, and Duncan said he wouldn't turn down a cask of brandy.  :-D
Apr 23 19:07:49 <Jemler>   ;)
Apr 23 19:08:00 <Derynifank>   Only if he is a St Bernard
Apr 23 19:08:18 <revanne>   I was wondering whether that was a typo or whether the mackerel launcher was required
Apr 23 19:08:24 <Evie>   He'll pass on the cask of randy, though.  Celibacy is difficult enough without liquid encouragement to stray.  :-D
Apr 23 19:08:47 <EPCarpenter>   Remember, when you're dealing with a St Bernard, one Kibble won't be enough  :-)
Apr 23 19:08:52 <Jemler>   St. Duncan Mclain. Patron Saint of Donuts.
Apr 23 19:08:54 <Evie>   LOL
Apr 23 19:08:54 <KK>   Yeah, what a priest does not need is a cask of randy.
Apr 23 19:09:19 <Jemler>   but he has a new mattress!
Apr 23 19:09:32 <Evie>   I have miniature donuts. He could wear one of those too.  ;-)
Apr 23 19:09:35 <Derynifank>   Uhoh
Apr 23 19:09:41 <Jerusha>   A cask of brandy and a cart of kibble
Apr 23 19:10:04 <Evie>   I have a miniature cart. But not of kibble. 
Apr 23 19:10:12 <revanne>   I'm sure with the name McKain he would go more for shortbread.
Apr 23 19:10:24 <Jerusha>   Cart full of kibble, I should have said
Apr 23 19:10:25 <revanne>   MCLain
Apr 23 19:10:43 <Evie>   No miniature shortbread, though that could quite easily happen....
Apr 23 19:10:45 <revanne>   McLain. Third time lucky
Apr 23 19:11:17 <Jerusha>   McLain shortbread, in a tin decorated with the McLain tartan
Apr 23 19:11:28 <Derynifank>   Yum
Apr 23 19:11:51 <Evie>   Anyway, they were only a few cents each, so I bought two medallions in silver (or silver colored, anyway) for Duncan and Alaric.  If I have a chance to go back, I may get some gold ones also for Kelson and Araxie.
Apr 23 19:12:06 <DesertRose>   Hi, revanne, Evie, Derynifank, KK, and Jerusha.
Apr 23 19:12:18 <Jerusha>   Hi DR
Apr 23 19:12:21 <Evie>   They were the same price, I just didn't have much pocket change on me, and it would have felt silly to drag out the debit card for a few cents' worth of merchandise.
Apr 23 19:12:23 <KK>   Hi, DR.
Apr 23 19:12:26 <DesertRose>   Sorry, I was afk.  My mom was visiting with me, but she's gone home to cook supper for my poor benighted stepdad who can't cook (ha!).
Apr 23 19:12:26 <Derynifank>   Hi desert rose 
Apr 23 19:12:36 <revanne>   With a picture of his ancestral home on the front, with his coat of arms and "by appointment to his Grace the Duke of Cassan"
Apr 23 19:12:48 <KK>   That sounds good.
Apr 23 19:12:52 <Jerusha>   Yummy
Apr 23 19:13:04 <revanne>   Hi DR
Apr 23 19:13:05 <Derynifank>   I'd buy that!
Apr 23 19:13:20 <Jerusha>   A new source of income for the scola
Apr 23 19:13:36 <Evie>   I'd love to have a miniature shortbread tin like that. Maybe I can get Shiral to make a miniature Ballymar and take the photo for the tin lid.  :-D
Apr 23 19:13:36 <DesertRose>   (My stepdad is perfectly capable of cooking, but since marrying my mom, whom I must admit is a significantly better cook than he, but she's also a really awesome cook, you'd think he didn't know a chef's knife from a chef's pan!
Apr 23 19:13:45 <EPCarpenter>   Reminds me of an old Joke. The Scottish Cookie stayed home on friday night while the other cookies went out on the town. He wasn't cheap, he was just shortbread.
Apr 23 19:13:47 *   Creggan (Mibbit@B2AD03.066F8F.5BECFC.AE7E58) has joined
Apr 23 19:13:51 <DesertRose>   Hi Creggan
Apr 23 19:14:02 <Jemler>   bee?
Apr 23 19:14:07 <Creggan>   Hi!
Apr 23 19:14:08 <revanne>   Hi
Apr 23 19:14:15 <Jerusha>   Bee Creggan here?
Apr 23 19:14:18 <Evie>   Hi
Apr 23 19:14:43 <Derynifank>   Bee in disguise?
Apr 23 19:14:44 *   Shiral (~Shiral@OWIRCN-e6adf1cc.ca.comcast.net) has joined
Apr 23 19:14:48 <DesertRose>   Hi Shiral
Apr 23 19:14:50 <Jerusha>   Hi Shiral
Apr 23 19:14:57 <Jemler>   hi shiral, creggan
Apr 23 19:14:58 <Derynifank>   Hi Shiral
Apr 23 19:14:59 <Evie>   Or are you someone new?  I'm not seeing the telltale .ma suffix that usually says it's Bee
Apr 23 19:15:01 <revanne>   Hi Shiral
Apr 23 19:15:01 *   Shiral enters chat room scattering flower petals
Apr 23 19:15:05 <Shiral>   Hello everyone
Apr 23 19:15:14 <Jemler>   true, evie
Apr 23 19:15:23 <Evie>   We do have a few new forum members
Apr 23 19:15:33 <DesertRose>   Just as a PSA, I'm not feeling too well tonight (explaining what's wrong would be massive TMI), so I may periodically go afk without notice.
Apr 23 19:15:37 <Jerusha>   Always a good thingt
Apr 23 19:15:50 <Jemler>   ok DR
Apr 23 19:15:56 <Jerusha>   Hope you feel better soon, DR
Apr 23 19:16:00 <DesertRose>   Thanks.
Apr 23 19:16:04 *   Shiral claps hands and sets up the chatroom Tea Table
Apr 23 19:16:05 <EPCarpenter>   Hope you feel better DR.
Apr 23 19:16:12 <revanne>   :-( DR
Apr 23 19:16:16 <Derynifank>   Hope it's nit serious  and you feel better soon
Apr 23 19:16:23 <Shiral>   This has been going on for an awfully long time, DR
Apr 23 19:16:24 *   Jasta (Mibbit@OWIRCN-fdafa92e.fios.verizon.net) has joined
Apr 23 19:16:29 *   Jerusha adds DR to her Healer appointment schedule
Apr 23 19:16:29 <Evie>   Hi Jasta
Apr 23 19:16:35 *   Eyikl (Mibbit@8027A0.AD6C34.D381B8.9C060D) has joined
Apr 23 19:16:36 <revanne>   Hi
Apr 23 19:16:37 <Jemler>   Jasta!
Apr 23 19:16:38 <Jasta>   Hi folks
Apr 23 19:16:40 <DesertRose>   The four-months-plus of digestive woes have worn on my patience pretty badly, and my therapist suggested that my mom come hang out for a while, which is why Mom was here.
Apr 23 19:16:40 <Jemler>   hi eyikl
Apr 23 19:16:41 <Shiral>   My goodness, what a surprise
Apr 23 19:16:42 <Evie>   hi Eyikl
Apr 23 19:16:43 <DesertRose>   Hi Jasta!
Apr 23 19:16:45 <Jerusha>   Hi Jasta
Apr 23 19:16:46 <Shiral>   Hello Jasta and Eyikl
Apr 23 19:16:46 <DesertRose>   hi Eyikl
Apr 23 19:16:51 <KK>   Ah, yes, a source of income for the schola.  I was thinking of an equivalent of Prince Charles' produce that's linked with his properties.  Mind goes blank right now of the name.
Apr 23 19:16:59 <DesertRose>   Tell me about it, Shiral!
Apr 23 19:17:01 <Eyikl>   hi everyone
Apr 23 19:17:06 <Jasta>   Highgrove
Apr 23 19:17:09 <DesertRose>   My patience is more or less nonexistent at this point.
Apr 23 19:17:13 <revanne>   Duchy Originals
Apr 23 19:17:15 <DesertRose>   Or at least worn so thin you can see right through it.
Apr 23 19:17:17 <Shiral>   So Kelson will have to sell fruits and vegetables? =o)
Apr 23 19:17:19 <KK>   Yes!
Apr 23 19:17:37 <KK>   Wel, at least home-baked confections.
Apr 23 19:17:44 <KK>   And shortbread in branded tins.
Apr 23 19:17:47 <Jemler>   DR, have you tried mint?
Apr 23 19:17:52 <DesertRose>   Mint what?
Apr 23 19:18:04 <Shiral>   I somehow think His Majesty's education has been deficient in cooking
Apr 23 19:18:20 <Evie>   Mint the herb, probably. In teas would be one way. Mint is supposed to help with digestive woes.
Apr 23 19:18:22 <Shiral>   Peppermint is good for the digestion, I've heard
Apr 23 19:18:31 <Jemler>   anything. it seems to help me. little peppermints or spearmint.
Apr 23 19:18:32 *   Shiral tickles Jasta
Apr 23 19:18:35 <Derynifank>   Not something a king does very often
Apr 23 19:18:38 <revanne>   I don't think he would actually have to cook them himself
Apr 23 19:18:39 *   Jasta giggles
Apr 23 19:18:47 <KK>   Mint tea is supposed to be good for tummy troubles.
Apr 23 19:18:50 <DesertRose>   Given that my body is, of the last couple of weeks, laughing in the face of multiple prescription anti-nausea medications, I'm not sure it would help.
Apr 23 19:19:07 <DesertRose>   And I don't have any mint tea or mint anything else in the house nor do I have a way to get any right at the moment.
Apr 23 19:19:13 <Shiral>   Well....Probably not. He has a few other things on his mind
Apr 23 19:19:22 <DesertRose>   I might see if I can find some the next time I can get to the supermarket.
Apr 23 19:19:29 <KK>   Do your doctors have any idea what's going on?  (Other than the fact that you feel like crap and your tummy is not happy.)
Apr 23 19:19:32 <DesertRose>   No
Apr 23 19:19:36 <Derynifank>   Gingrr is also good for  nausea and digestive problems 
Apr 23 19:19:38 <Shiral>   =o(
Apr 23 19:19:49 <Jerusha>   Well that's not good.
Apr 23 19:19:51 <Eyikl>   :(
Apr 23 19:20:16 <revanne>   Far too long 😯
Apr 23 19:20:18 <Jemler>   you could also try altoids spearmint. or put some peppermint altoids in tea.
Apr 23 19:20:20 <DesertRose>   The upper endoscopy and colonoscopy done last Tuesday (11 April) showed a couple of areas in my stomach that might become ulcers later but aren't quite that bad yet; the colonoscopy was grossly normal, and we're waiting on the lab to process the results of the samples taken.
Apr 23 19:20:22 <KK>   Have they had a look inside?  If not, I would guess that an endoscopy is in your future.
Apr 23 19:20:41 <KK>   Asked and answered, then.
Apr 23 19:20:55 <EPCarpenter>   Have you tried AloeVera juice?
Apr 23 19:20:59 <Shiral>   I'd send Rhys to you, but he's notoriously unavailable
Apr 23 19:21:07 <KK>   Do you still have your gall bladder?
Apr 23 19:21:23 <Evie>   Rhys hasn't been the same since he slipped and knocked his head on that stone stair.
Apr 23 19:21:36 <DesertRose>   Honestly, this scares me half to death at a certain level, because my paternal grandmother (whose height and general body frame I inherited) died of colon cancer at age 68, despite having done a lot of the lifestyle things you're supposed to do to AVOID colon cancer.
Apr 23 19:21:36 <Shiral>   Not at all the same, in fact
Apr 23 19:21:49 <KK>   Gall bladder?
Apr 23 19:21:50 <Derynifank>   Maybe Teig would help
Apr 23 19:21:58 <DesertRose>   No, gallbladder got evicted in August 2001, appendix August 2016.
Apr 23 19:22:04 <Jerusha>   If your colonoscopy is OK, you are OK
Apr 23 19:22:20 <Jerusha>   At least on that front
Apr 23 19:22:32 <DesertRose>   Yeah, at least for the time being.
Apr 23 19:22:34 <KK>   Hmmm, medial mystery.
Apr 23 19:22:42 <KK>   medical, even.
Apr 23 19:23:25 <Derynifank>   Have they tried the camera? Yiu swalliw it snd they can see everything from end to end
Apr 23 19:23:32 <KK>   So, what do they plan to try next?
Apr 23 19:23:54 <KK>   The endoscopy does that, at least into the stomach.
Apr 23 19:23:57 <revanne>   My DD1 who has a rubbish constitution health wise found Aloe Vera juice helped.
Apr 23 19:24:00 <DesertRose>   But in addition to the general misery of this going on since 12 December, I also have not been able to take my bipolar meds in all this time, since those medications require a significant meal with them in order to stay down.
Apr 23 19:24:16 <Jerusha>   Oh dear
Apr 23 19:24:23 <KK>   Oh no!
Apr 23 19:24:24 <Jemler>   Derynifank do NOT post something like that on Youtube!
Apr 23 19:24:31 <DesertRose>   This Friday upcoming, I have another upper endoscopy with small-bowel follow through, apparently to get a better look at my small intestine.
Apr 23 19:25:00 <DesertRose>   The absence of my psych meds isn't doing my moods much good.
Apr 23 19:25:13 <DesertRose>   And the award for Understatement of the Century....
Apr 23 19:25:14 <revanne>   I hope they can sort something
Apr 23 19:25:15 <Jerusha>   Warm cuddles, DR, any anything else that make you feel better
Apr 23 19:25:19 <KK>   Fortunately, you get to sleep through all of this.
Apr 23 19:25:25 <Jemler>   then i should leave. i can't be good for you.
Apr 23 19:25:35 <Derynifank>   They did s movie like that only it was in an artery 
Apr 23 19:25:42 <DesertRose>   Nah, Jemler, you're fine.  Stick around.  :)
Apr 23 19:25:49 <Jerusha>   I remember that, but I forget the name of it
Apr 23 19:25:53 <Evie>   No, jemler, she might need something to hit. I'll just lend her my mackerel launcher.
Apr 23 19:26:05 <Jerusha>   And a bucket of smelt
Apr 23 19:26:05 <DesertRose>   No, I haven't had to do the camera-swallow thing.
Apr 23 19:26:12 <revanne>   ((((((Hugs)))))
Apr 23 19:26:26 <DesertRose>   My stepdad has at some point.  He's always had digestive issues, and he was diagnosed with Crohn's disease a few years ago.
Apr 23 19:26:29 <Jemler>   the one that only soots at me? oh joy! :(
Apr 23 19:26:34 <Shiral>   Hopefully SOMETHING will eventually explain why this is happening
Apr 23 19:26:43 <Derynifank>   Hugs from all  of us
Apr 23 19:26:49 <DesertRose>   Oh, Jemler, that reminds me, I saw a little cartoon that made me think of you.
Apr 23 19:27:02 <Jemler>   uh-oh.
Apr 23 19:27:09 <DesertRose>   https://me.me/i/we-keep-the-holy-cow-in-the-barn-and-the-6816496
Apr 23 19:27:12 <DesertRose>   It's not bad.
Apr 23 19:27:15 <Jerusha>   You are our favourite target, Jemler, in the nicest possible way:)
Apr 23 19:27:21 <EPCarpenter>   Do you use Stevia sweetener? I have just heard recently that it causes digestive upset to a small number of users.
Apr 23 19:27:23 <DesertRose>   Mackerel was what made me think of it.
Apr 23 19:27:24 <DesertRose>   NO.
Apr 23 19:27:28 <DesertRose>   Sorry.  No.
Apr 23 19:27:49 <DesertRose>   I used to use it in my iced tea, and I quit because it seemed to cause digestive upset.
Apr 23 19:27:54 <DesertRose>   I gave up and went back to sugar.
Apr 23 19:28:35 <EPCarpenter>   Sugar and I don't get along well...
Apr 23 19:28:35 <Jerusha>   Oh my, DR, that so reminds me of the ice shack out on our lakes in winter
Apr 23 19:28:42 <Jemler>   i like that one! nice toon.
Apr 23 19:28:51 <DesertRose>   Actually, pure stevia is okay for me, but too expensive.  The stevia I can afford is mixed with xylitol or erythritol, one of the sugar alcohols, and those are a BIG digestive-trouble trigger.
Apr 23 19:29:02 <DesertRose>   I thought you might get a laugh out of that one, Jemler!  :)
Apr 23 19:30:03 <EPCarpenter>   Yup, the mix I use has Erythritol in it.
Apr 23 19:30:39 <DesertRose>   Yeah, if I could afford the pure stevia that doesn't have anything else in it, I could use that.
Apr 23 19:30:46 <DesertRose>   But it's way too expensive for my disabled budget.
Apr 23 19:31:43 <EPCarpenter>   Stevia In The Raw sells in the big box stores. I haven't looked at the price.
Apr 23 19:31:58 <revanne>   My Dad ended up having 4 sugars in his tea and he lived to 91. It was more like he had tea in his sugar.
Apr 23 19:32:16 <Jerusha>   That sounds like my Dad and salt
Apr 23 19:32:36 <Evie>   Your dad takes 4 tsp of salt in his tea? ;-)
Apr 23 19:32:48 <DesertRose>   I bought a small container of the pure stevia powder because I caught it on sale at Fresh Market, and it worked without upsetting my stomach, but on sale it was $9; off sale it was like $12, and with the amount of iced tea I drink, that's not sustainable, budget-wise.
Apr 23 19:32:56 <KK>   I don't use any of the sugar substitutes.  Don't need those chemicals in my body.
Apr 23 19:33:01 <revanne>   Lol Jerusha and when someone is over 90 you can’t tell them it's bad for their health.
Apr 23 19:33:02 <Jerusha>   Not in his tea, but on everything else!
Apr 23 19:33:33 <KK>   If you drink iced tea, try brewing sun tea.  I've found that it doesn't need sugar.
Apr 23 19:33:49 <DesertRose>   No place to do it.
Apr 23 19:33:55 <Jerusha>   At 98, he can have salt if he want it - but not in tea
Apr 23 19:34:07 <Jemler>   i'm gonna post that pic on FB.
Apr 23 19:34:10 <Shiral>   Salty tea.....Nah, don't think I'll try it
Apr 23 19:34:11 <DesertRose>   (to brew sun tea)
Apr 23 19:34:12 <revanne>   Salt in tea would be urghh
Apr 23 19:34:15 <KK>   It's actually just a cold brew.  I'm not sure you need any sun at all.
Apr 23 19:34:34 <DesertRose>   I remember brewing sun tea in Arizona when I was a kid.
Apr 23 19:34:37 <Evie>   Sun helps expedite the process, but I don't think it's strictly required.
Apr 23 19:34:38 <DesertRose>   Heaven knows no lack of sun there.
Apr 23 19:34:43 <KK>   Do any of your windows get at least a little sun?
Apr 23 19:34:50 <Jemler>   KK's hanging out cold brews? what did i miss?
Apr 23 19:34:51 <Shiral>   I think you can put a pitcher of water and tea bags in the fridge, and it will brew overnight. THe sun just makes it happen fastesr
Apr 23 19:34:57 <Shiral>   Faster, too
Apr 23 19:35:16 <DesertRose>   Yes, they're south-facing.
Apr 23 19:35:19 <KK>   That's my thinking too.  Without the heat, you don't get any bitterness.
Apr 23 19:35:26 <Evie>   revanne, are you cringing yet at the thought of making tea without properly boiled water?  :-D
Apr 23 19:35:30 <Jerusha>   I brew it that way, DR, and it is very good
Apr 23 19:35:33 <DesertRose>   But they're also coated with something to keep the air-conditioning in.
Apr 23 19:35:39 <Shiral>   I think I have some Stevia I could send you, DR
Apr 23 19:35:42 <revanne>   Lol Evie yesssss
Apr 23 19:35:46 <KK>   Well, iced tea in the UK is pretty much anathema anyway.
Apr 23 19:35:51 <DesertRose>   Don't worry about it, Shiral, but thanks.
Apr 23 19:36:15 <revanne>   You need boiling water for tea. No
Apr 23 19:36:32 <Shiral>   We'll get Revanne upset if we talk about iced tea. =o)
Apr 23 19:36:42 <KK>   For hot tea, yes.  But iced tea actually tastes better if it's brewed cold.
Apr 23 19:36:56 <revanne>   My British genes are hopping aboutvall over the place
Apr 23 19:37:01 <Evie>   LOL!
Apr 23 19:37:07 <Shiral>   I ran out of coffee this weekend, so I made a pot of tea for breakfast this morning. I remember why I used to do that more often
Apr 23 19:37:07 <DesertRose>   I actually managed to convert a British friend of mine to iced tea, at least while she was visiting Florida.  She decided iced tea was preferable to Diet Coke, anyway.
Apr 23 19:37:46 <Shiral>   I live on ice tea in hot weather. AND you don't ingest all the sugar/chemicals in soft drinks that way
Apr 23 19:37:58 <revanne>   I actually like iced tea when it's hot outside. But that doesn’t happen much here.
Apr 23 19:38:02 <Eyikl>   I always make my tea with cold water. That way I don't need to wait for it to cool down so it won't burn my tongue.
Apr 23 19:38:19 <DesertRose>   Well, again, this was a British lady visiting Florida when I convinced her to try iced tea.
Apr 23 19:38:23 <Derynifank>   I mostly just drink ice  water now
Apr 23 19:38:27 <Evie>   I was compiling pages for an adult coloring book at work (no, Jemler, not THAT kind of 'adult' coloring book!), and had the thought that if we have any good line artists here, it would be fun to have a Deryni coloring book.  *sigh*
Apr 23 19:38:41 *   revanne shakes head sadly
Apr 23 19:38:43 <DesertRose>   And I believe it was either late spring or early fall by the calendar, which in Florida means "early summer" or "still summer."
Apr 23 19:38:44 <Evie>   Unfortunately I am not good at that sort of artwork.
Apr 23 19:38:51 <Shiral>   I have to have SOMETHING that tastes a litte more interesting than plain water
Apr 23 19:39:11 <EPCarpenter>   I make mine by the soup pot, and then I temper it by allowing it to cool overnight covered before I bottle and chill it. Tea tastes bad when you ice it straight from piping hot.
Apr 23 19:39:11 <Jemler>   KOOL AID!
Apr 23 19:39:13 <Shiral>   Duncan McLain
Apr 23 19:39:14 <Jerusha>   A Deryni colouring book would be awesome
Apr 23 19:39:32 <Jasta>   :)
Apr 23 19:39:32 <revanne>   Yes
Apr 23 19:39:35 <DesertRose>   I like water most of the time, but for some bizarre reason (because my body makes less sense than the orthography rules of English, I think), plain water when I'm nauseated makes the nausea worse.
Apr 23 19:39:43 <Evie>   If we can only lure Pyracantha back to do the artwork.  Or do you do black and white line art, Shiral?
Apr 23 19:39:45 <Shiral>   Just checking to make sure you're awake
Apr 23 19:40:02 <Shiral>   I do some line artwork, Evie
Apr 23 19:40:15 <Shiral>   I could be coaxed, possibly
Apr 23 19:40:32 *   Jerusha sends a coaxing spell'
Apr 23 19:40:33 <revanne>   Pretty please
Apr 23 19:40:41 <Shiral>   Although I've at last started a new Mini-house project this past week
Apr 23 19:40:42 <Evie>   The closest I manage is when I take my Mini-Deryni photo art and put it through a black and white filter.
Apr 23 19:40:44 <DesertRose>   I wonder if Pyra could also be prevailed upon, not to discount you, Shiral, just to make it a joint effort.
Apr 23 19:41:03 <Evie>   Ooh, yay, Shiral! What kind of mini-house this time?
Apr 23 19:41:15 <Jerusha>   What kind of mini house, Shiral?
Apr 23 19:41:44 <KK>   Roman villa, isn't it?
Apr 23 19:41:48 <EPCarpenter>   Some of the best illustrators I've personally known are Tattoo artists. Those who work up their own art ahead of application are often gifted artists with quite whimsical bents.
Apr 23 19:41:49 <Jerusha>   Mine Coroth castle *ducks and runs*
Apr 23 19:42:06 <Shiral>   I'm trying something I haven't made before. It's a little Roman Domus, which is what the Ancient Romans lived in.  If you had a single family home in the city, it meant you were fairly well to do
Apr 23 19:42:22 <Jerusha>   Awesome, Shiral
Apr 23 19:42:26 <DesertRose>   Or even if Pyra could be persuaded to allow us to use some of her older Deryni art as line drawings for the coloring book.
Apr 23 19:42:42 <Shiral>   A villa is the right basic idea, but they were more likely to be built outside the city walls, where there was more room to spread out
Apr 23 19:42:45 <Jemler>   i once knew a man who suffered from depression, but he was avery skilled artist.
Apr 23 19:43:05 <DesertRose>   A lot of creative people have some sort of mental health issues.
Apr 23 19:43:15 <revanne>   Awesome, Shiral
Apr 23 19:43:35 <Shiral>   But I have a little pinterest-like file of pictures for future Deryni art projects....
Apr 23 19:43:48 <Jerusha>   Please post some pictures as you progress, Shiral.
Apr 23 19:43:57 <Shiral>   The voices in my head say you're wrong, DR. =o)
Apr 23 19:44:18 <Jerusha>   It all depends on the voices....
Apr 23 19:44:27 <DesertRose>   I'm not much of an artist in terms of drawing, painting, sculpting, but I've been doing calligraphy (off and on) since I was eight, and I do write (inconsistently but sometimes fairly decently).  :P
Apr 23 19:44:29 <Jemler>   this guy once said that here were times he was so depressed, that if the CURE for his illness was 10 feet away, he wouldn't feel like going after it.
Apr 23 19:44:35 <Shiral>   Some early pictures are on my FB wall
Apr 23 19:44:37 <Jasta>   Shiral, are you on Pinterest?
Apr 23 19:44:37 <EPCarpenter>   The voices in my head tell me the next week's winning lottery numbers, then laugh at me when I lose...
Apr 23 19:44:47 <DesertRose>   That's how depression does, Jemler.
Apr 23 19:44:56 <Shiral>   Jasta,YEs
Apr 23 19:45:16 <DesertRose>   Part of you knows you'd feel better if you got up, took a shower, got dressed, and did something, but the depression WILL NOT LET YOU.
Apr 23 19:45:25 <Shiral>   You can find me under Melissa Houle
Apr 23 19:45:46 <Jasta>   Shiral, PMed you.
Apr 23 19:46:06 <revanne>   Yes DR. It's not lack of will but utter inability.
Apr 23 19:46:10 <DesertRose>   Yup
Apr 23 19:46:15 <Evie>   Pinterest is my <3
Apr 23 19:46:31 <Jemler>   brb
Apr 23 19:46:38 <Shiral>   Pinterest is addictive.
Apr 23 19:47:13 <Derynifank>   It really is
Apr 23 19:47:23 <Evie>   Yes, Pinterest and Instagram are my drugs of choice, but especially Pinterest.
Apr 23 19:47:27 <revanne>   Deryni are addictive. Why did no-one warn me?
Apr 23 19:47:32 <Evie>   LOL
Apr 23 19:47:40 <Jerusha>   I have not entered into facebook or pinterest
Apr 23 19:47:42 <Shiral>   It's been a great research tool for my new project
Apr 23 19:48:10 <Evie>   Pinterest is where I learned a lot of the skills I needed to make mini-Deryni stuff
Apr 23 19:48:13 <Evie>   That and YouTube
Apr 23 19:48:43 <Jerusha>   I should come out of the dinosaur age sometime....
Apr 23 19:48:45 <Evie>   Annie used it to store inspiration photos when she was outlining her trilogy
Apr 23 19:48:54 <revanne>   On the plus side writing stories has introduced me to a whole new world of commas.
Apr 23 19:49:02 <Evie>   LOL!
Apr 23 19:49:11 <Jerusha>   A world of comma-dy
Apr 23 19:49:24 <Eyikl>   :)
Apr 23 19:49:27 *   DesertRose launches a trebuchet loaded with goldfish at Jerusha
Apr 23 19:49:29 <Evie>   Don't make me recalibrate the mackerel launcher, Jerusha
Apr 23 19:49:37 <DesertRose>   I also PM'd you, Shiral
Apr 23 19:49:43 <revanne>   Although I'm sure the rules keep changing😉
Apr 23 19:49:57 *   Jerusha ducks and looks for a frying pan
Apr 23 19:50:04 <Derynifank>   But have to avoid becoming s comma sprinkler. I have a friend who has that problem
Apr 23 19:50:08 <revanne>   Lo. Jerusha
Apr 23 19:50:10 <DesertRose>   Well, yeah, that whole, "We don't need no stinkin' Oxford comma," thing, GRRR
Apr 23 19:50:23 <Evie>   There is actually a single comma rule that, if you learn it, will eliminate half your missed commas right off the bat.
Apr 23 19:50:29 <DesertRose>   You will pry the Oxford comma from my cold dead (anal retentive English major) fingers.
Apr 23 19:50:30 <Jemler>   should I?
Apr 23 19:50:44 <EPCarpenter>   Has anyone thought about 3D printing St Camber medals? The newer options offered at Shapeways have metals of silver and gold colors offered. One could ger a real Camber image and script on a medal...
Apr 23 19:50:47 <Jerusha>   What is the rule, Evie?
Apr 23 19:51:11 <Jasta>   The Oxford Comma saved my life.  Absolutely.
Apr 23 19:51:14 *   revanne tries to cudgel brain awake
Apr 23 19:51:20 <Shiral>   Yes, Revanne....Deryni ARE addicitve
Apr 23 19:51:25 <Shiral>   Ingest with care
Apr 23 19:51:25 <Jerusha>   Is that a vampire bat
Apr 23 19:51:28 <Jemler>   I did. i've been thinking of getting a #D printer lately.
Apr 23 19:52:11 <KK>   Jasta, when did you arrive?!
Apr 23 19:52:14 <DesertRose>   I made my mom laugh herself silly with the stripper example of why the Oxford comma is important.
Apr 23 19:52:25 <Jasta>   About half an hour ago?  :)
Apr 23 19:52:28 <KK>   Oxford commas are vital!
Apr 23 19:52:39 <Jerusha>   Stripper commas?
Apr 23 19:52:42 <Evie>   Broken down into layman's language rather than grammarese, look in the sentence for any of these seven conjunctions--and, or, but, nor, for, yet, so--and see if the part of the sentence that follows that conjunction can stand alone as a complete sentence. If it can, you need a comma before that conjunction.
Apr 23 19:52:45 <Derynifank>   C'mon Evie, share the comma rule, please 
Apr 23 19:52:56 <DesertRose>   "I got on the elevator with the strippers, JFK and Stalin."
Apr 23 19:53:10 <EPCarpenter>   Perfect
Apr 23 19:53:12 <DesertRose>   Or "I got on the elevator with the strippers, JFK, and Stalin."
Apr 23 19:53:23 <Derynifank>   Thanks
Apr 23 19:53:27 <Jasta>   Comma makes a BIG difference there.
Apr 23 19:53:31 <DesertRose>   The first sentence, sans Oxford comma, rather implies that those two late world leaders had...interesting side gigs.
Apr 23 19:53:35 <Shiral>   That would be ONE heck of an elevator ride, DR!
Apr 23 19:54:06 <Evie>   You may have learned that rule in grammar school, but got confused when the teacher started droning on about "independent vs dependent clauses." So that's the rule with that bit of jargon removed.
Apr 23 19:54:08 <DesertRose>   True, Shiral, LOL, Oxford comma or no!
Apr 23 19:54:08 <Jerusha>   So many possibilities come to mind....
Apr 23 19:54:32 <Eyikl>   If you were going to imply that, wouldn't you want a colon instead of a comma?
Apr 23 19:54:34 <EPCarpenter>   Sally went to the park to see Ranger Dan and his big dog, Dick. You can easily see the need for the Oxford here...
Apr 23 19:54:50 <revanne>   Thanks Evie. I'll check the chat log later and write it down.
Apr 23 19:54:59 <Jerusha>   :P
Apr 23 19:55:16 <Shiral>    "Let's eat, Grandma!" Vs "Let's Eat Grandma!"
Apr 23 19:55:19 <Evie>   Or, you know, you can also just go "Hey, Evie, what's that rule again?"  :-D
Apr 23 19:55:39 <Eyikl>   Yeah, but is that an oxford comma?
Apr 23 19:55:49 <DesertRose>   Well, if that was what you really meant, yes, Eyikl, but it could be read in a way you didn't mean without the Oxford comma.
Apr 23 19:56:04 <revanne>   I was trying not to try your patience☺
Apr 23 19:56:37 <Evie>   The Oxford Comma is the last comma in a list of things that usually ends in "...and _____
Apr 23 19:56:45 <Jerusha>   Patience is a virtue, commas are a calamity
Apr 23 19:56:54 <DesertRose>   Commas are a PITA.
Apr 23 19:56:54 <revanne>   Too true
Apr 23 19:56:56 <Evie>   That was meant to be "....and _____."
Apr 23 19:57:02 <DesertRose>   Even English majors hose them up sometimes.  :)
Apr 23 19:57:39 <EPCarpenter>   And then there are the depths of Semi Colon Madness, into which Line Editors descend every time they edit.
Apr 23 19:57:41 <Shiral>   I did okay in the first year of college German. Then the grammar clobbered me in the second year
Apr 23 19:58:09 <DesertRose>   I try to keep my semicolon use to one per complex sentence.
Apr 23 19:58:33 <Eyikl>   What is Semi-Colon Madess; is it contagious?
Apr 23 19:58:39 <DesertRose>   If I need four semicolons, I've probably really got two complex sentences that need to be split.
Apr 23 19:58:46 <Jasta>   Ich liebe der Deutsche Sprache.  <3
Apr 23 19:58:48 <Evie>   I honestly didn't study them all that thoroughly until I had to teach an Error Free Writing course, and I couldn't very well teach it without buckling down and learning comma rules rather than just winging it.  And even after doing that, i have to go back and proofread my own writing constantly, because I'm not thinking in terms of comma rules during the writing process.
Apr 23 19:58:50 <Jerusha>   Unfortunately, yes
Apr 23 19:58:55 <KK>   Semi-colons are sometimes essential, but a lot of writers are scared to use them.
Apr 23 19:59:04 <Eyikl>   ...oh. Yeah, I heard that advice in school.
Apr 23 19:59:10 <revanne>   My DD2 dated a German for a few years and they decided that a nightmare language would be English spelling with German grammar.
Apr 23 19:59:30 <DesertRose>   English spelling with English grammar is enough of a nightmare!
Apr 23 19:59:36 <KK>   Aiee!
Apr 23 19:59:37 <Shiral>   Then I took a year of Latin. The damned declensions just about finished me
Apr 23 19:59:41 <Jemler>   i'm still stuck on what an umlaut does.
Apr 23 19:59:42 <DesertRose>   And I say that as an English major!
Apr 23 20:00:05 <DesertRose>   My high school Latin teacher did something really helpful in first-year Latin.
Apr 23 20:00:24 <Evie>   Pepsicoli, Pepsicola, Pepsicolarum....
Apr 23 20:00:30 <Derynifank>   What?
Apr 23 20:00:47 <Jerusha>   My high school latin teacher was amazing
Apr 23 20:00:51 <revanne>   An umlaut means that you pronounce the vowel as though it had an e after it.
Apr 23 20:00:52 <Eyikl>   Well, my parents know some people who have this band called Unnecessary Umlaut, so I'm not sure.
Apr 23 20:00:55 <DesertRose>   She told us, "Okay, people will have told you that Latin is really hard.  It isn't really, but the rules are totally different than the rules of English, so I want you to chuck the rules of grammar (but not the terminology) out the window.  You should be fine after that."
Apr 23 20:01:23 <Jerusha>   Yea verily!
Apr 23 20:01:24 <DesertRose>   She was right.
Apr 23 20:02:09 <DesertRose>   Oh, I LOVED my high school Latin teacher.  I actually took Latin because of her.
Apr 23 20:02:15 <DesertRose>   Because she was so awesome.
Apr 23 20:02:38 <Eyikl>   I bet that was a nightmare for whoever had to sweep up all those broken grammar pieces, though.
Apr 23 20:02:38 <Jerusha>   If I had known at the time that latin was important for studying medieval history, I might have stuck with it
Apr 23 20:02:45 <DesertRose>   I had to talk my parents into letting me take Latin ("Why do you want to take a dead language?") until they met her at a parent-teacher night at the school.
Apr 23 20:02:51 <Jemler>   we had spanish in my HS. elective. i didn't take it. regret it now.
Apr 23 20:02:56 <Evie>   Luke is here to climb all over me and remind me I'm his
Apr 23 20:03:05 <revanne>   I tried to learn Hebrew as part of my ordination course and my kids came to me in a deputation and said could zI give it up becausevit was making me so bad-tempered.
Apr 23 20:03:10 <Jerusha>   Scritches for Luke
Apr 23 20:03:14 <DesertRose>   Carys is napping left of the laptop, using Codex as a cat bed.
Apr 23 20:03:15 <Evie>   I took Old English as my dead language of choice
Apr 23 20:03:38 <Jerusha>   Wow, that was an option?
Apr 23 20:03:59 <Shiral>   Cats are shunning me, today
Apr 23 20:04:12 <DesertRose>   My parents also came around when my SAT verbal scores were something like 690 out of a possible 800 (at the time; they've changed the scoring in the intervening years).
Apr 23 20:04:47 <Jerusha>   I still quiver at the SATs
Apr 23 20:04:48 <Eyikl>   I took Spanish, but I never really learned it.
Apr 23 20:04:54 <revanne>   Which may be a cue for this old english person to say goodnightas it's well into Monday now.
Apr 23 20:05:02 <Shiral>   Night, Revanne
Apr 23 20:05:05 <Shiral>   Sleep well
Apr 23 20:05:05 <Jemler>   nite revanne
Apr 23 20:05:06 <Jerusha>   Nighters, revanne
Apr 23 20:05:08 <Evie>   Goodnight, Revanne
Apr 23 20:05:09 <DesertRose>   I took Spanish in uni, essentially to get my mom to shut up about it.  "You've had all that Latin; Spanish should be easy for you!"
Apr 23 20:05:09 <KK>   Sasha is curled up on the surface next to my keyboard, and Gus just came up into my lap.  So I am well-guarded.
Apr 23 20:05:10 <DesertRose>   Night, revanne
Apr 23 20:05:12 <Shiral>   Enjoy the hot tea, prepared properly
Apr 23 20:05:19 <revanne>   Night
Apr 23 20:05:21 <EPCarpenter>   GNight Revanne
Apr 23 20:05:22 <Eyikl>   goodnight revanne
Apr 23 20:05:25 <KK>   Nighters, Revanne.
Apr 23 20:05:31 <Derynifank>   My grandson took latin as his  foreign language but who is  he going to speak it to?
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Apr 23 20:05:35 <DesertRose>   Hi Sasha and Gus
Apr 23 20:05:35 <Jasta>   Night revanne
Apr 23 20:06:02 <Evie>   He can use it when you introduce him to the Deryni series. ;-)
Apr 23 20:06:05 <DesertRose>   Maybe nobody, but if he pursues a medical or scientific career, it'll help him A LOT with the terminology.
Apr 23 20:06:13 <Derynifank>   True
Apr 23 20:06:23 <Shiral>   I remember  "Hic Est Carta."....That's about it
Apr 23 20:06:43 <Shiral>   Fascinated by Romans, terrified of Latin
Apr 23 20:06:43 <KK>   Jasta, could you please send me your current address?  I haven't been able to keep up with your peregrinations, and want to send you something.
Apr 23 20:06:43 <Evie>   BTW, I have reread Camber of Culdi and Saint Camber this week and am hoping to read Camber the Heretic this week
Apr 23 20:07:07 <KK>   Goodness, are you on vacation?
Apr 23 20:07:20 <Jasta>   When you learn modern languages, you're taught how to ask where the train station is and how to get to the bathroom.  In Latin, they teach you stuff like "I will destroy all my enemies!" and "The Emperor and his sycophants must die!"  :)
Apr 23 20:07:29 <DesertRose>   True
Apr 23 20:07:40 <Shiral>   Well, that'll be hard on my sycophants
Apr 23 20:07:44 <Evie>   LOL, Jasta!
Apr 23 20:07:46 <Jasta>   I will, KK, and thanks!
Apr 23 20:07:57 <Derynifank>   When I'm reading the books  I find  I can read a lot more  of it than I thought
Apr 23 20:08:25 <Evie>   Not on vacation, if you were asking me, KK. Just had some fairly quiet late afternoons/evenings that allowed me to catch up on reading
Apr 23 20:08:27 <DesertRose>   And I read a novel in which the lead character took classical Greek, and her first-term Greek teacher gave them a sentence that translated as "The evil women in the tent are hitting the road," as in "striking the thoroughfare," not as in, "leaving on a journey."
Apr 23 20:08:39 <DesertRose>   Out of which I got a giggle.
Apr 23 20:08:44 <Evie>   I'm a fast reader when I've got time to read. I just rarely have time.
Apr 23 20:09:06 <DesertRose>   Latin has SO MANY verbs for ways to kill people.
Apr 23 20:09:19 <Jasta>   KK, I PMed you the address.
Apr 23 20:09:44 <Jerusha>   That could be why it is a dead language
Apr 23 20:09:50 <DesertRose>   LOL, right?!
Apr 23 20:09:57 <Evie>   LOL
Apr 23 20:10:12 <DesertRose>   Like, there are separate verbs for "to run through with a sword" and "to run through with a spear."
Apr 23 20:10:15 <Evie>   Reading through a screen of cat hair again
Apr 23 20:10:15 <Shiral>   It's just not the same when you don't have thousands of Roman legions following you...
Apr 23 20:10:24 <Eyikl>   On would think that would have allowed it to kill off all the other languages.
Apr 23 20:10:29 <EPCarpenter>   Kill enough messengers, and sooner or later the messengers that show up won't be speaking Latin!
Apr 23 20:10:35 <DesertRose>   No, English did that.  :)
Apr 23 20:10:49 <DesertRose>   Or at least, it stole vocabulary from all the other languages.
Apr 23 20:11:00 <KK>   Ack, Jasta, how do I retrieve that?  Is it an arcanity of Facebook?
Apr 23 20:11:07 <Evie>   Or at least English mugged the other languages in a back alley and plundered their pockets looking for loose grammar
Apr 23 20:11:08 <Jasta>   My grandparents on Mom's side were both scholars.  They argued and swore in Latin and Greek so the "kinder would not hear bad words!"  LOL....
Apr 23 20:11:32 <DesertRose>   Thus rearing children who could swear in archaic languages.
Apr 23 20:11:35 <Jasta>   KK, do you see a PM tab at the top of your char window?
Apr 23 20:11:35 <Jerusha>   :D
Apr 23 20:11:47 <KK>   Char window?
Apr 23 20:11:49 <Jasta>   I can also send it to you on FB or email.  :)
Apr 23 20:11:59 <KK>   How about email?
Apr 23 20:12:09 <Jasta>   I meant chat.  Oy, slippery fingers tonight.
Apr 23 20:12:11 <Jasta>   OK!
Apr 23 20:12:32 <Shiral>   Barbecued addresses....generally hard to read
Apr 23 20:12:33 <Jerusha>   Rented, slippery, all is good
Apr 23 20:13:11 <KK>   I don't think there's a PM tab on the chat I'm using, which is the one from the website.
Apr 23 20:13:21 <Shiral>   Slippery rentals are really hard
Apr 23 20:13:33 <Jemler>   well folks. i have an early appt (7.3p0) so i'm gonna take off.
Apr 23 20:13:38 <Jerusha>   That depends on who you are renting from
Apr 23 20:13:38 <Shiral>   Night, Jemler
Apr 23 20:13:42 <DesertRose>   Okay, good luck and g'night, Jemler
Apr 23 20:13:44 <EPCarpenter>   GNight
Apr 23 20:13:47 <Jemler>   that should be 7.30am
Apr 23 20:13:50 <Jerusha>   Nighters Jemler
Apr 23 20:13:53 *   Shiral launches some goldfish crackers at Jemler for fun
Apr 23 20:13:55 <Derynifank>   Night Jemler
Apr 23 20:14:07 <Evie>   There used to be. Look up at the top of the chat text screen and see if there is a tab there with Jasta's name. If so, that's her PM window, IIRC. I used to PM Annie in Mibbit chat, so I know there's a way to do it
Apr 23 20:14:08 <Eyikl>   goonight Jemler
Apr 23 20:14:12 <Jemler>   DR. get better. that's an order!
Apr 23 20:14:18 <DesertRose>   I wish, dude.
Apr 23 20:14:27 <Jemler>   lol
Apr 23 20:14:29 <Jerusha>   I second that
Apr 23 20:14:30 <DesertRose>   The sooner this BS stops, the happier I'll be.
Apr 23 20:14:36 <Jemler>   nite
Apr 23 20:14:42 <DesertRose>   Or just plain S, since I'm not a bull.
Apr 23 20:14:44 <Shiral>   I'm sure DR would like that the best of all
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Apr 23 20:15:06 <KK>   Hee, I found it!  It's just a word, and I was looking for a literal tab.  Luddite Katherine stri8kes again!
Apr 23 20:15:16 <Evie>   :-D
Apr 23 20:15:20 <DesertRose>   Yay!
Apr 23 20:15:23 <Jerusha>   :)
Apr 23 20:15:40 <Derynifank>   Good for you 
Apr 23 20:15:50 <EPCarpenter>   KK is a Luddite? Do you have a hand written membership card?  ;-)
Apr 23 20:16:05 <Jerusha>   I do
Apr 23 20:16:07 <KK>   How do you use it, as opposed to just reading it?
Apr 23 20:16:13 <Evie>   We'll get you up on the latest technology eventually.  Maybe by 2027.  :-D
Apr 23 20:16:23 <KK>   That is, how do I send a PM to someone else?
Apr 23 20:16:36 <Jasta>   :) I'm glad you found it!  I also sent an email to your gmail account.
Apr 23 20:16:38 *   DR_Test (Mibbit@OWIRCN-6c62fc86.fl.comcast.net) has joined
Apr 23 20:16:49 <KK>   Yes, I have a handwritten membership card, EPC.
Apr 23 20:16:51 <Evie>   Click on their name. I forget if it's right or left click, but there should be a menu option to send a PM
Apr 23 20:17:06 <Jasta>   You double-click on a person's name in the list of chatters, and it pops up to offer a new tab.
Apr 23 20:17:20 <DesertRose>   Okay, you click on the person's name, and it'll drop down a list of actions, the first of which is PM.  Click on PM, and that'll open up the private message area.
Apr 23 20:17:26 <KK>   Isn't Manassas a long way to commute?  Or, what end of DC do you work in, these days?
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Apr 23 20:18:16 <DesertRose>   Right click
Apr 23 20:19:04 <DesertRose>   DC commuting is a right pain, pretty well regardless, from what I hear.
Apr 23 20:19:35 <Jerusha>   I used to do that from Gaithersburg
Apr 23 20:19:50 <Jasta>   It is a long way, I'm at L'Enfant Plaza within sight of the Capital Building--but fortunately the Virginia regional commuter train has 2 Manassas stations and stops in DC right beside my building.  It still sucks, but slightly less.
Apr 23 20:19:58 <DesertRose>   My cousin lives in Front Royal, although I think he's trying to get the house ready to sell, since his (OMG FINALLY official) fiancee has a very good job in Atlanta, so he wants to sell the Virginia house and start job hunting in the Atlanta area.
Apr 23 20:20:31 <KK>   Riding a train is not nearly as sucky as driving into DC.
Apr 23 20:20:34 <Jasta>   Front Royal is a lovely area.  It would break my heart to leave if I lived out there--but the commute would be horrific.
Apr 23 20:20:43 <DesertRose>   At least you can read while you're on the train.  :)
Apr 23 20:20:46 <EPCarpenter>   I'll take the train any day...
Apr 23 20:20:52 <Jasta>   :) Nothing is as sucky as driving into DC, my hand to God.
Apr 23 20:21:08 <Shiral>   Unless you want to try driving in LA
Apr 23 20:21:18 <DesertRose>   I haven't visited the Front Royal area, but I've seen photos of my cousin's house, and it does seem a really pretty area, but when his fiancee got that great job, she couldn't pass it up.
Apr 23 20:21:20 <Jerusha>   Or Toronto
Apr 23 20:21:34 <DesertRose>   And his job is okay but not great and not what he really wants to be doing either.
Apr 23 20:21:37 <Shiral>   I think some of the people on LA's Freeways have been condemned to drive them for eternity in remittance for their past sins
Apr 23 20:21:43 <Evie>   I don't envy anyone moving to Atlanta and looking for a job there. Driving through Atlanta at any time is horrible, but in rush hour it's horrendous.
Apr 23 20:21:50 <KK>   Front Royal is where, when Scott and I were still house hunting, we stopped for a quick bite at a Taco Bell, and the place was filled with the Jeunesse Dore of the area, complete with tattoos and the like.
Apr 23 20:21:50 <DesertRose>   Atlanta is starting to suck pretty badly too
Apr 23 20:22:03 <Jasta>   Avoid exploding bridges, in Atlanta....
Apr 23 20:22:18 <EPCarpenter>   I pass through Front Royal and the area often- My daughter goes to school in New Market, another 20-30 minutes further south on 81.
Apr 23 20:22:51 <Shiral>   Avoid exploding Bridges EVERYWHERE, reallly
Apr 23 20:23:09 <KK>   Then, you're practically to Staunton?  When ya gonna stop by for a cuppa?
Apr 23 20:23:11 <DesertRose>   Well, Atlanta just had the I-85 overpass collapse, that other bit of highway buckle, there was a three-semi pileup on I-20 right around the same time the I-85 overpass fire happened, and something else went wrong there recently.
Apr 23 20:23:27 <DesertRose>   I've seen a bunch of jokes about people pissing off the ghost of Gen. Sherman or something.
Apr 23 20:23:41 <Derynifank>   Didn't explode, fell down due to a fire  underneath
Apr 23 20:23:43 <KK>   Hope they've got it fixed by time for Dragoncon.
Apr 23 20:23:53 <EPCarpenter>   I'll have to next time I'm down. When we finish the move to Berkeley Springs we will practically be local.
Apr 23 20:23:55 <DesertRose>   I think the something else was a spill on I-75.
Apr 23 20:24:09 <Jasta>   I could get to Staunton in about 2.5 to 3 hours, depending on the time of day.
Apr 23 20:24:13 <KK>   That's true.  Berkeley Springs is lovely.
Apr 23 20:24:30 <EPCarpenter>   We love it.
Apr 23 20:24:30 <KK>   You're always welcome, Jasta.
Apr 23 20:24:35 <Eyikl>   Time to think of how to appease the goddess Asphalta, it sounds like.
Apr 23 20:24:42 <DesertRose>   LOL, ey1
Apr 23 20:24:46 <DesertRose>   LOL, Eyikl
Apr 23 20:24:47 <Evie>   LOL
Apr 23 20:24:49 <DesertRose>   Sorry, typo
Apr 23 20:24:55 <Jasta>   We should nail down a visit time.  :)
Apr 23 20:25:09 <EPCarpenter>   Have to make offerings to the demon Macademm as well.
Apr 23 20:25:19 <KK>   Call me when it's looking feasible, Jasta.
Apr 23 20:25:30 <DesertRose>   I need to make an offering to the demon Titivillius apparently, with the state of my typing tonight.
Apr 23 20:25:53 <KK>   And I see that it's getting late, so I'd best sign off for tonight.  See you guys next week.
Apr 23 20:25:59 <Evie>   Or at least vanquish him with your letter opener
Apr 23 20:26:00 <Shiral>   NIght, KK
Apr 23 20:26:04 <Shiral>   Have a good week
Apr 23 20:26:08 <Evie>   Goodnight!
Apr 23 20:26:09 <EPCarpenter>   GNight KK
Apr 23 20:26:10 <DesertRose>   Okay, thanks for coming to see us.  Have a good week and we'll see you next week!
Apr 23 20:26:10 <Jerusha>   Night, KK.  Thanks for coming
Apr 23 20:26:15 <DesertRose>   G'night, KK!
Apr 23 20:26:23 <Jasta>   Absolutely!  Night KK!  <3
Apr 23 20:26:34 <Eyikl>   Goodnight KK
Apr 23 20:26:36 *   KK steps onto her Portal, waves goodnight, and disappears in a shower of green sparkles.  Gus and Sasha also say g'night.
Apr 23 20:26:47 <DesertRose>   Titivillius is a slippery little sucker; I'm not sure I could catch him with a letter opener.
Apr 23 20:26:49 <Jasta>   Night-night Sasha and Gus!
Apr 23 20:26:55 <DesertRose>   Night night kitties!
Apr 23 20:27:09 <Evie>   Flypaper then?
Apr 23 20:27:11 <KK>   Nighters, all.
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Pretender's Gambit / Re: Pretender's Gambit- Chapter Five
« Last post by DerynifanK on April 21, 2017, 03:37:27 pm »
Will try to compose myself in patience but it is really hard. Wonderful writing, enjoying every minute
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Pretender's Gambit / Re: Pretender's Gambit- Chapter Five
« Last post by Jerusha on April 20, 2017, 06:45:51 pm »
Patience is freely given, for we know it will be well worth the wait.   :)

I'm glad I was able to provide what assistance I could for Sir Washburn.  After all, he got me to our destination without falling underneath the horse's hooves!  If only we could have arrived sooner....

I am wondering, of course, what it was I did for Vince....

All will be revealed when the time is right, I am sure.   :)
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