The Worlds of Katherine Kurtz

The Deryni Series => Deryni Tales => Topic started by: katrinque on April 18, 2015, 04:49:41 PM

Title: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: katrinque on April 18, 2015, 04:49:41 PM
The spell that Lewys performed that went terribly wrong and that we were supposed to have figured out.  I didn't.  What spell did he attempt?
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Bynw on April 18, 2015, 04:58:06 PM
That is one of the great questions of all time when it comes to the Deryni. We still don't know ...
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: revanne on April 18, 2015, 05:34:20 PM
As they say on children's TV over here - "Don't try this at home."
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Evie on April 18, 2015, 05:37:49 PM
Lewys ap Norfal, patron saint of "What could possibly go wrong?"   ;D

(OK, so maybe he's not a saint, exactly, but in a sense once might say he did ascend into heaven.... )
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Laurna on April 18, 2015, 05:57:55 PM
It always seemed to me that everyone thought he was attempting something so powerful it was beyond anyone's grasp. and when he "Disappeared" the CC threatened to kill his 12 year old daughter and even younger son for fear they would follow in their father's footsteps. That is why Sief married Jessamy at such a young age. Not to protect her but to control her. If you discover the answer, then understanding of the situation might come to all of us, but as I see it, the CC becomes too controlling over this point.

My personal thought is that Lewys ap Norfal did not die when he disappeared,  but went forward in time. I think we will see him appear in the modern age.
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Shiral on April 18, 2015, 06:24:12 PM
Not only too controlling, but lacking in both imagination and compassion.  Some kindness and decency shown to Jessamy by members of the Council at that point would ultimately have won her loyalty better, and served the Council's interests better in the long run. She was a pre-teen girl who had just been deprived of her father and was treated with coldness and suspicion. Not to mention the assumption that she, the adolescent girl had both the ability and the desire to share her adult father's fate if left to her own resources, when he had failed spectacularly and lost his life in the process.  No wonder Jessamy was so grateful to Princess Dulchesse for showing her some kindness and affection, instead!

Melissa
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Jerusha on April 18, 2015, 07:59:27 PM
I always wondered why, after ap Norfal failed in this "spectacular" experiment, the Council thought Jessamy was such a threat.  Surely "don't you try such a thing and meet the same fate" might have been enough.  Then foster her to someone who could monitor her training, rather than marry her out of hand to an older man.
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Aerlys on April 18, 2015, 09:36:26 PM
And yet they trusted her brother. I really never got that whole thing, either.
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Bynw on April 19, 2015, 08:30:42 AM
Quote from: Laurna on April 18, 2015, 05:57:55 PM

My personal thought is that Lewys ap Norfal did not die when he disappeared,  but went forward in time. I think we will see him appear in the modern age.

I like the way you think. I think the  same thing too. He didn't die that day. Disappeared certainly. Ended up in the past or future, or even an alternate timeline for that matter. Anyone of them is possible.
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Aerlys on April 19, 2015, 10:45:30 AM
I agree. Opens up soooooo many interesting possibilities!
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Laurna on April 19, 2015, 12:06:01 PM
I thought about him going into the past too. That would be a great way for KK to tell a story about the Airsid as seen from a 1100 character's point of view.
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: revanne on April 19, 2015, 03:42:38 PM
I would love to know more about the Airsid, there are a few tantalising clues suggesting that Evaine and Camber were researching that era - one of the many areas of knowledge lost in the struggle to survive in post-restoration Gwynedd.

Maybe that now Sheele is back in the hands of Evaine and Rhys' descendents, thanks to Desert Rose, some more information might surface.
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Aerlys on April 19, 2015, 03:46:48 PM
KK has certainly left us with nearly as many mysteries as she has given us answers. Fuel for the imagination!
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Elkhound on August 10, 2016, 07:29:03 PM
Quote from: Evie on April 18, 2015, 05:37:49 PM
Lewys ap Norfal, patron saint of "What could possibly go wrong?"   ;D

(OK, so maybe he's not a saint, exactly, but in a sense once might say he did ascend into heaven.... )

Perhaps "poster boy" might be a better word?
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Lochiel on August 28, 2016, 08:55:05 AM
While I tend to believe he was trying to move forward or backward in time, another line of speculation would be moving to another dimension or alternative world. 
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Shiral on February 24, 2023, 02:54:13 PM
Quote from: revanne on April 18, 2015, 05:34:20 PMAs they say on children's TV over here - "Don't try this at home."
Don't even try it away from home, I'd say  ;)
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Drianax on February 25, 2023, 05:13:51 PM
I like that answer. Very, very intriguing.
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Laurna on February 27, 2023, 11:50:26 AM
Remember one of KK's good friends was Anne McCaffrey. Playing with timing it is not out of the question. Though in the Deryni world it would not be called "timing it" or going in-between" . We know a Portal causes a displacement in Space.  So why not a displacement in time as well. 

We do not know much about the experiment. If you go to the Codex page 106, under the entry Green Tower, you will learn more than what was in KK's short story. It talks about Lewys making long studies of the five towers of Coroth castle: how each tower was built on large single slab of stone which had magical properties similar to the five protocols of Orin, set in the points of a pentagram. Lewys found at the very center of the courtyard, between the 5 towers, a long buried tomb of an ancient chieftain with his sword, armor, and retainers buried with him.
It says Lewy's was attempting to work the magic of the five towers, or maybe he was trying to gain information about the bones in the tomb. I believe he was transferred to the time of the burial of the ancient chieftain. That would take him back to before Byzantun had built Coroth. That would take him back to the Arsid. 
Maybe in his learning the original Deryni magic of the Arsid, he then tries to come back forward in time, but he only gets as far forward to the time of Orin. And as Bynw believes, he actually is Orin and he spends the rest of his life writing down the magics that he had learned from the time of the old Chieftain. Lewys is the one who writes the Protocols of Orin.
This is a combination of what Bynw and I believe.
Title: Re: The Green Tower; Lewys ap Norfal
Post by: Bynw on February 27, 2023, 01:05:23 PM
I havent decided if Lewys is Orin. Or maybe the buried Chieftain himself and the untranslatable runes were written by Lewys and the discoveries he made in the realm of Deryni Magic.