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revanne's FanFic / Re: Generosity: Epilogue
« Last post by LauraS on June 22, 2017, 02:41:53 pm »
Laas will go to Brecon on Jolyon's death. Rory's duchy was Ratharkin so another albeit royal one. Interestingly most of the royal duchies seem to have no known subsidiary title although the four non royal ones (Clairbourne, Cassan, Corwyn & Laas) do. Ok in case of Cassan & Corwyn they have come from marriages of heiresses into line (or to be technically correct in Corwyn case marriage of Earl to heiress). Marley from memory is descended in male line from MacEwans (well Sighere) but Coris was nickname adopted as surname.

Yes as it stands the title of Duke of York will revert to crown on Andrew's death. Current Duke of Gloucester seems to be doing ok with heir & grandson. Interestingly, there is two extant English dukedoms that have passed through female line recently (and can do so). One is Marlborough where it passed through to Spencer family from Churchill's due to lack of sons of first Duke. Fife title has passed through female line but it was via granddaughters of Edward VII. The Norfolk title was recreated for female line descendent way back when but has not passed through female line. Of course most English titles cannot pass through female line although very different in with Scottish titles. The only English/British title that I am aware of with female line descent is Mountbatten of Burma for similar reasons to Marlborough......
   The Mountbatten title's succession is relatively unique in the peerage of the UK:  the first Earl's two daughters were in the succession, but after them, only their male heirs are.  So, on the death of Patricia, 2nd Countess last week, her eldest son Norton will become the 3rd Earl with the succession now solely through his male line and that of his brothers. If these lines fail, the male line from the younger daughter, Pamela Hicks, will inherit.  Failing that, the title goes extinct even if there are female-line descendants.  The Fife title is somewhat the same:  only the  the first Duke's daughters and their male-line heirs were/are eligible. The current Duke is the grandson of the younger daughter, HH Princess Alexandra of Fife, who married the Earl of Southesk. The succession is now the standard male-line primogeniture - the current Duke has three sons and the line ends with them.
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Codex Derynianus / Re: Codex inconsistency list? Codex #3 "fix" list.
« Last post by Laurna on June 22, 2017, 01:45:50 pm »
I do not know if this is mentioned yet.

Ratharkin- A new heading needs to be made for the newly granted Duchy of Ratharkin and its first duke, Rory Haldane in the year 1128
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Generosity: Epilogue
« Last post by Laurna on June 22, 2017, 12:23:10 pm »
Laas will go to Brecon on Jolyon's death. Rory's duchy was Ratharkin so another albeit royal one. Interestingly most of the royal duchies seem to have no known subsidiary title although the four non royal ones (Clairbourne, Cassan, Corwyn & Laas) do.

Thank you Gilreth for the correction.  I completely forgot about Ratharkin and messed up Laas. I will make a corrections  to my list above.
And isn't history fascinating? In both the real world and in fiction. ;D
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Generosity: Epilogue
« Last post by Gilreth on June 22, 2017, 07:16:37 am »
Laas will go to Brecon on Jolyon's death. Rory's duchy was Ratharkin so another albeit royal one. Interestingly most of the royal duchies seem to have no known subsidiary title although the four non royal ones (Clairbourne, Cassan, Corwyn & Laas) do. Ok in case of Cassan & Corwyn they have come from marriages of heiresses into line (or to be technically correct in Corwyn case marriage of Earl to heiress). Marley from memory is descended in male line from MacEwans (well Sighere) but Coris was nickname adopted as surname.

Yes as it stands the title of Duke of York will revert to crown on Andrew's death. Current Duke of Gloucester seems to be doing ok with heir & grandson. Interestingly, there is two extant English dukedoms that have passed through female line recently (and can do so). One is Marlborough where it passed through to Spencer family from Churchill's due to lack of sons of first Duke. Fife title has passed through female line but it was via granddaughters of Edward VII. The Norfolk title was recreated for female line descendent way back when but has not passed through female line. Of course most English titles cannot pass through female line although very different in with Scottish titles. The only English/British title that I am aware of with female line descent is Mountbatten of Burma for similar reasons to Marlborough......
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Generosity: Epilogue
« Last post by drakensis on June 22, 2017, 02:01:45 am »
Those who've visited the Tower of London will have encountered a little display in the room where the two Princes were confined. There's one button you can press if you think Richard III killed them and one button if you blame Henry VII. The display shows how much each button was pressed - it's about equal.
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Generosity: Epilogue
« Last post by Demercia on June 22, 2017, 01:24:05 am »
I'm with you there, DR.  And there were sound political reasons for Richard to be anxious about having a minor on the throne.  Especially one whose legitimacy had been called into question.  Whatever the truth, Richard's character was written up after his death by his enemies. 
As a non serious footnote to Richard's reputation, it didn't go without notice in Leicester that the local soccer team, having always been mediocre, won the national soccer league at odds of 5000 to 1, just weeks after Richard was given the place of honour in the Cathedral.
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Generosity: Epilogue
« Last post by DesertRose on June 21, 2017, 04:27:45 pm »
Though, laurna, that is one of the most contested events in English history.  A lot of people don't believe Richard did murder his nephews.  This Richard, btw, is the same whose body was discovered under a carpark in Leicester, where Revanne and I come from as it happens, a couple of years ago and reburied with great ceremony in the Cathedral there.

I'm actually one of those who don't believe Richard murdered the Princes in the Tower or even ordered or requested someone else to do the deed.  The reason I don't believe it is that it proved politically ruinous for him, and Richard III was a lot of things but lacking in political savvy was not among them.  He would have known that killing those boys would be political suicide for him, and he wouldn't have done it for that reason, and he also, I think, would have had enough regard for the sons of his brother not to kill his own freaking nephews!

I read a novel that posited that Lady Margaret Beaufort, the mother of the eventual Henry VII, blackmailed someone into killing them to clear the path to the throne for her son, which is an iffy theory.  She was certainly ambitious for her son, but she might have been too religious/pious to condone and even order the murder of two children, even for the sake of her son's ascendancy.

In any case, I'd be inclined to look towards Richard III's political enemies for the parties responsible for the deaths of the Princes in the Tower.
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Generosity: Epilogue
« Last post by Demercia on June 21, 2017, 04:14:30 pm »
Though, laurna, that is one of the most contested events in English history.  A lot of people don't believe Richard did murder his nephews.  This Richard, btw, is the same whose body was discovered under a carpark in Leicester, where Revanne and I come from as it happens, a couple of years ago and reburied with great ceremony in the Cathedral there.
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Generosity: Epilogue
« Last post by DesertRose on June 21, 2017, 11:53:05 am »
Look up the title in general.  There have been a number of Dukes of Gloucester to meet early deaths.
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revanne's FanFic / Re: Generosity: Epilogue
« Last post by Laurna on June 21, 2017, 11:44:04 am »
I think it's Duke of Gloucester that's the cursed title.  ;)
I can understand why, DR.  After the above comments, I had to look up the story of the 'two princes in the tower'. This was the first time I had heard this story. It is unbelievable what an uncle will do for power. So it says, Richard, Duke of Gloucester was named the Lord Protector of the 12 year old King Edward and his 9 year old brother Prince Richard. The Duke of Gloucester housed the boys in the Tower of London away from their mother, where they were never heard from again, and then he took the throne for himself. WOW!

Just like the Haldane trouble with Regents after Cinhil's passing. How does one control Wanton Greed?
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