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Title: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 13, 2017, 09:46:05 PM
Our game will be set several decades after the events that took place and are chronicled in the novel King Kelson's Bride. This gives us an open slate where we are free to do as we please. If Katherine ever writes about this period, then our vision could become part of the Deryni Canon or it just becomes an alternate time line.

Kelson is still King of Gwynedd, however he is a middle-aged man now. His sons are grown and are around their 20s.

General Alaric Morgan is deceased. But the new Duke is very much like his father.

There has been peace in the 11 Kingdoms for many years. Minor conflicts, both internal and external happen. But there are few who remember the last major war.

The Statues of Ramos have all been stricken. Deryni are free to work and live openly once again. Though some are still cautious and many lost Deryni are being rediscovered. Saint Camber has been restored as the patron of Deryni magic and the Defender of humankind. And is also the patron saint of the Haldane House.

It will take generations to overcome the fear of the Deryni. But due to the King and the Deryni he has associated with and shown to the people they are accepting.

Healers are still very rare. And at this point no formal schools exist to train any Deryni with the healing gift. All current healers are trained via an apprenticeship.


Edit - changed Kelson's age description
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on November 14, 2017, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: Bynw on November 13, 2017, 09:46:05 PM
Our game will be set several decades after the events that took place and are chronicled in the novel King Kelson's Bride. This gives us an open slate where we are free to do as we please. If Katherine ever writes about this period, then our vision could become part of the Deryni Canon or it just becomes an alternate time line.

Kelson is still King of Gwynedd, however he is an old man now. His sons are grown and are around their 20s.

General Alaric Morgan is deceased. But the new Duke is very much like his father.

There has been peace in the 11 Kingdoms for many years. Minor conflicts, both internal and external happen. But there are few who remember the last major war.

The Statues of Ramos have all been stricken. Deryni are free to work and live openly once again. Though some are still cautious and many lost Deryni are being rediscovered. Saint Camber has been restored as the patron of Deryni magic and the Defender of humankind. And is also the patron saint of the Haldane House.

It will take generations to overcome the fear of the Deryni. But due to the King and the Deryni he has associated with and shown to the people they are accepting.

Healers are still very rare. And at this point no formal schools exist to train any Deryni with the healing gift. All current healers are trained via an apprenticeship.

Interesting...I've always thought the post-KKB period would be a fun time to explore. Lots of changes, and some changes would only be made grudgingly in some quarters, and certainly not overnight.  If Deryni are more accepted (or at least tolerated) in this time than they were in Alaric's or earlier, then I imagine sources of conflict for our adventurers are more likely to be individual ones rather than societal. Although that long period of peace might be threatened from some outside force as well.  What has Teymuraz been doing all of this time, I wonder, besides breeding sons in Byzantyun?

QuoteKelson is still King of Gwynedd, however he is an old man now. His sons are grown and are around their 20s.

Well, unless some untimely death happened for Prince Javan and his younger brothers were born a lot later, Kelson can't be too old!  IIRC, he was 21 in KKB, which means by 1130 when Javan was born, he was only around 23 or thereabouts. So even if "around their 20s" means Kelson's eldest son is 29, Kelson would only be 52, which is younger than I am.  Watch who you're calling old, young whippersnapper!  ;D

QuoteGeneral Alaric Morgan is deceased. But the new Duke is very much like his father.

That's a sad loss for the kingdom, but I'm glad Duke Kelric is following in his father's footsteps. Any chance Bishop (or maybe by now, Archbishop) Duncan is still alive?  Given the age difference between him and Kelson, he'd only be around 67 by now, which (given Deryni tendencies towards good health and longer life if not killed by injury or violent means) would certainly not be outside the realm of possibility. Even a healthy human in the real Middle Ages might stand a decent chance of living that long, given proper nutrition, decent enough sanitation in his living environment, and the good luck to avoid the various major disease outbreaks that might sweep through the population, all of which a noble-born bishop with a sturdy tower in the Archbishop's palace to retreat to during epidemics might hope to withstand.  (She says hopefully....  ;) )
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 14, 2017, 10:26:34 AM
That sounds good. Archbishop of Rhemuth, Duncan McLain. Not yet enough time to have a Deryni Primate ... but everyone loves Duncan.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on November 14, 2017, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: Bynw on November 14, 2017, 10:26:34 AM
That sounds good. Archbishop of Rhemuth, Duncan McLain. Not yet enough time to have a Deryni Primate ... but everyone loves Duncan.

I would ask if Denis Arilan is still alive, but the prospect of a 70-something, older and even more crotchety Bishop of Dhassa (or wherever) is downright terrifying!   ;D
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 14, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
Hard to say. Probably wont be seen anyway (at least not right away.) But the Deryni priests he had begun to ordain in secret are no longer secret. Deryni are all around in the priesthood. Duncan will not be the only Deryni Bishop either. But right now there are no Deryni only Orders, eventually when the Healers make a big comeback their might be some. But not right now.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Laurna on November 14, 2017, 12:39:13 PM
Hmm. I had not considered time forward from KKB, I think this could be fun.

Bynw just a clarification. When I read Kelson was an old man, I was thinking he was in his eighty's and for some reason I miss-read it as his "Grandson's were in their Twenties." (I think that is the only way I could reconcile Alaric No Longer Here.)  :'(

Just let me know which generation we are dealing with? Children of Kelson and Alaric or Grand children, which generation would  be in their 20's. ( LOL 52 is not an old man: ie. Kenneth Morgan at 55 was still riding, traveling, and fighting. Albeit, he died at that age) :'( more tears.

On a more personal Character note, Bywn, may my character, Washburn, have a slight name change? Since he is the younger brother of the Earl of Lendour, he is either Kelric Morgans younger brother or he is Kelric Morgans younger son.  The name change would therefore be Washburn Alaric Cynfyn Morgan  ;D or Washburn Kelric Cynfyn Morgan.  ;D Or simply Washburn Cynfyn Morgan.  ;D .  How say you?

Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on November 14, 2017, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: Laurna on November 14, 2017, 12:39:13 PM

On a more personal Character note, Bywn, may my character, Washburn, have a slight name change? Since he is the younger brother of the Earl of Lendour, he is either Kelric Morgans younger brother or he is Kelric Morgans younger son.  The name change would therefore be Washburn Alaric Cynfyn Morgan  ;D or Washburn Kelric Cynfyn Morgan.  ;D Or simply Washburn Cynfyn Morgan.  ;D .  How say you?

Since I don't know that Bynw has had a chance to peruse our fanfic section yet, I suspect Laurna's reason for asking this is that Wash Cynfyn is already an established character in her fanfics, but as he is Alaric's ancestor, it might be a bit odd for him to suddenly pop up in a post-Alaric timeline. LOL! A namesake seems entirely plausible, though.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 14, 2017, 02:06:25 PM
Ok Ok.. Kelson isn't an old man but he is in his 50s somewhere. And in some cases of the Middle Ages that would be old. Life expectancy wasn't all that high. You can change the name the character that's fine by me.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on November 14, 2017, 02:40:59 PM
For a nobleman who had managed to survive early childhood, fifty would fit squarely in the middle-age bracket (just as today), but many people in the modern world tend to forget that "higher/lower life expectancy" simply means a mathematical average.  If the life expectancy of people in a certain time period was, for example, 40, that didn't mean that they all (or even most) started dropping like flies when they got around that age. It simply meant that a greater percentage of the very young, very old, or otherwise weakened members of the population tended to die of things we would more likely be able to treat today, but the healthy survivors who made it to full adulthood were just as likely to end up dying of old age (sometimes extreme old age) as people do today.  There were just lots of different ways to die back then than we have today--a lot more deaths than nowadays due to trade-specific injuries, for example, not to mention unchecked epidemics.  But our average life expectancy in modern times is only something like 12 years or so higher than it was in the Victorian age, despite all of our advances in modern medicine, and that increase is in large part because we are able to prevent a much greater number of maternal and infant deaths in childbirth and early childhood deaths due to illness and accident than we used to be capable of preventing or treating. It has nothing to do with modern people being inherently more long-lived than people in earlier periods.

(Sorry, but the "medieval people tended to die a lot younger because reasons; therefore a 50 year old was 'really old' back then" myth is one that drives me a little batty!  ;D  That said, that might be truer if you were a hard-laboring field laborer with poor nutrition and little recourse to decent healthcare than if you were a wealthy man with servants, good nutrition, and at least some basic knowledge of herbal remedies for common, non-lethal complaints, but then again, the same would be true today.  I remember having to hide my shock when I met a girl I used to go to the same high school with a decade later, when we were both still in our 20s, and saw how dramatically she'd aged. I didn't recognize her until she reintroduced herself because she looked closer to 40, but that was due to hard living, not to mention a chain smoking habit developed in her teen years.  Someone with a hard life will have a lower life expectancy than someone with an easy life, but they both would have started off with pretty much even chances, assuming they were equally healthy and whole at birth.)
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 14, 2017, 03:30:50 PM
I stand corrected! :) And I have updated the King's age description.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on November 14, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
How many sons does Kelson have, or have you worked all that out yet? I assume Javan is the heir now?
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: DesertRose on November 14, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Yeah, the low median lifespan of years before about 1950 was skewed by the very high infant/child mortality rate and the fairly high death rate from complications of childbirth.

Once cleaner/sterile medical care, vaccinations, contraception, and other advances in medicine came along, that median age started moving upward, but, for example, a medieval woman who survived her childbearing years was about as likely to live as long as women do today.  (Eleanor of Aquitaine lived to be past eighty.  We're not sure exactly how old because her exact year of birth isn't well documented, but she was somewhere between 82 and 84 when she died.  Not bad for a lady born in the twelfth century.)

We know this largely because of records from convents, where, of course, the great majority of the nuns never became pregnant, and they lived far longer than their secular counterparts.  We also have the phenomenon wherein one can tell that a noblewoman had realized she was pregnant because she would call for her will to be written in the event she didn't survive the pregnancy/birth/immediate postpartum period.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 14, 2017, 06:37:55 PM
Quote from: Evie on November 14, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
How many sons does Kelson have, or have you worked all that out yet? I assume Javan is the heir now?

No idea, haven't really worked that out as it probably wont come into play right away. So things can be fudged a bit here and there.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 14, 2017, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: Laurna on November 14, 2017, 12:39:13 PM

On a more personal Character note, Bywn, may my character, Washburn, have a slight name change? Since he is the younger brother of the Earl of Lendour, he is either Kelric Morgans younger brother or he is Kelric Morgans younger son.  The name change would therefore be Washburn Alaric Cynfyn Morgan  ;D or Washburn Kelric Cynfyn Morgan.  ;D Or simply Washburn Cynfyn Morgan.  ;D .  How say you?

He would be Kelric's younger brother. As Kleric is now still the Earl of Lendor and the Duke of Corwyn
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 14, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Me looking over the map and making some notes ....
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: HoundMistress on November 15, 2017, 08:35:41 AM
Does Alaric have to be dead? (Sniff!!) What did he die of since he would be about 70-ish? I think. Of course his dad did die in his 50s from heart attack & that kind of stuff can be inherited.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 15, 2017, 08:52:40 AM
The cause of Alaric's demise is not relevant to game play (at this time) so we can figure it out later if required.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: DesertRose on November 15, 2017, 08:53:36 AM
I think Kenneth's demise came from sepsis from a battle wound, not a heart attack, but I could be wrong on that.  I know Alyce died shortly after giving birth to Bronwyn.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on November 15, 2017, 09:07:53 AM
Even if he was fit and healthy for a 70-year-old, I can see him not being quite able to keep up anymore if he were, say, suddenly ambushed or betrayed by someone younger and with swifter reflexes. Maybe he died in service to his King, protecting Kelson from a would-be assassin and buying him enough time to turn the tables on their attacker? I can see an honorable death in battle (even if not officially during wartime) as a way the King's Champion would prefer to go, rather than dying of old age or in a sick bed.  That's just one possible scenario, of course.  I'm sure our GM can think of lots of other ways to explain why we now have a Duke Kelric rather than our beloved Duke Alaric. (Not that we don't love Kelric too, but since we haven't really gotten to know him yet, it's harder not to envision him as a baby on Richenda's knee. LOL!)
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 15, 2017, 09:21:27 AM
Well my first thought when I declared that the Duke was dead was due to some kind of battle. Too far from any of the few Healers (including those of his relation). And unable to summon his own strength to focus on healing. He passed due to the wounds inflicted on him. But I don't have any other details that that. I'm sure the Duke's son(s) will know. 
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on November 15, 2017, 09:27:29 AM
Just imagining the possible spin-off stories from this rpg campaign. Maybe Aliset should keep a journal?  LOL!
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on November 15, 2017, 10:03:32 AM
Maybe she should ....
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on November 15, 2017, 10:05:02 AM
I actually had a friend who used to keep a detailed journal of our RPG campaigns, both to help her remember what happened during the last adventure (since we only got to play once a month or thereabouts), but also because she enjoyed writing spin-off stories inspired by her journal notes.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Laurna on November 15, 2017, 03:31:18 PM
I remember once reading from either Shiral's hand or Jerusha's that KK was not allowed to kill off Alaric, that he had to die asleep in his bed after the age of ninety. I was always in full agreement with that theory. But now I see it is not KK's hand who has "Done our beloved hero in."  Not KK's hand at all, but our beloved Game master Bynw who did the deed.  :'( :'(
At least if it is around the years 1159-1163 or so, Alaric was almost  seventy and he was a fighting man to the end. He will be forever missed. This is a good reason for Washburn to be wearing black, in honor of Alaric.

(P.S. I hope it offends no one that Washburn was made a Morgan. If it does, I am sorry. It  just sort of fell in that way, It was not my original intention.)

I just got back from taking dad to a dr appointment, maintenance stuff, and it looks like our adventure has begun and I still have to read how this is going to play out.

Oh and Hint, hint, to a few rhemuth castle members. I think we may need a Priest.. hint, hint.. or another adventure to meet up with along the way. Perhaps a younger son of Dhugal's or Rory's, or even a younger prince to join us. Yes? Lol. Now to go learn how to do this. I am a newbie at  role-playing.  We may be in for some troubled times.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: drakensis on November 16, 2017, 02:06:05 AM
Giving some thought to making a character who's a priest. Not right now though, since I'm very much engaged in writing my november project and fighting off a cold.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: DesertRose on November 16, 2017, 05:53:56 AM
Quote from: Laurna on November 15, 2017, 03:31:18 PM
I remember once reading from either Shiral's hand or Jerusha's that KK was not allowed to kill off Alaric, that he had to die asleep in his bed after the age of ninety. I was always in full agreement with that theory. But now I see it is not KK's hand who has "Done our beloved hero in."  Not KK's hand at all, but our beloved Game master Bynw who did the deed.  :'( :'(
At least if it is around the years 1159-1163 or so, Alaric was almost  seventy and he was a fighting man to the end. He will be forever missed. This is a good reason for Washburn to be wearing black, in honor of Alaric.

(P.S. I hope it offends no one that Washburn was made a Morgan. If it does, I am sorry. It  just sort of fell in that way, It was not my original intention.)

I just got back from taking dad to a dr appointment, maintenance stuff, and it looks like our adventure has begun and I still have to read how this is going to play out.

Oh and Hint, hint, to a few rhemuth castle members. I think we may need a Priest.. hint, hint.. or another adventure to meet up with along the way. Perhaps a younger son of Dhugal's or Rory's, or even a younger prince to join us. Yes? Lol. Now to go learn how to do this. I am a newbie at  role-playing.  We may be in for some troubled times.

When I game, I often play a healer class, but at the moment, offline life has me a bit too busy to roll up a character for this campaign.  Maybe somewhere down the line I can play an Anviller or something who found Annales Queroni or some other lovely old manuscript(s) full of forgotten knowledge . . .
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bifph on November 16, 2017, 01:13:26 PM
I'm considering an "adventurer", but I need some time for my mind to cook them up into something more complete.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on January 23, 2018, 02:25:23 PM
The authority and influence of the Camberian Council has been waining since the days of King Donal, Kelson's grandfather. This trend continued into Kelson's reign to the point now that the Camberian Council, who thinks mighty highly of themselves, is all but a joke outside of Gwynedd itself. The fear and authority it once had on Deryni in the 11 Kingdoms is long gone. However it still holds influence in Gwynedd itself.

Here the existance of the council is somewhat known even to Humans. Its existance was whispered about to help ease the fear of Deryni within Gwynedd. The existance of a Deryni court where wayward Deryni who misuse their power will be tried and punished. The membership is still secret. Although some members are known. It is known that Denis Arlin is on the Camberian Council.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: DerynifanK on January 23, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
Actually if you read the account of Kenneth's death it is consistent with a heart attack. I just don't see why bynw had to kill off Akaric, but early on it sounded like he died in battle repulsing an invasion of Corwyn  and killed Teymuraz. Am I remembering it right?
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: DesertRose on January 23, 2018, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on January 23, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
Actually if you read the account of Kenneth's death it is consistent with a heart attack. I just don't see why bynw had to kill off Akaric, but early on it sounded like he died in battle repulsing an invasion of Corwyn  and killed Teymuraz. Am I remembering it right?

Maybe I'm thinking of the arrow Kenneth took to the leg around the time Donal decided to betroth Alyce to him.

Or possibly I'm thinking of Alyce's brother, Ahearn.  I don't know, and I don't have any of my books readily to hand, and I don't have the relevant trilogy in e-book format so that I could look on Kindle.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on January 23, 2018, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on January 23, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
I just don't see why bynw had to kill off Akaric, but early on it sounded like he died in battle repulsing an invasion of Corwyn  and killed Teymuraz. Am I remembering it right?

Yes, as I recall that was the scenario he gave for the circumstances of Alaric's death.  Killing Teymuraz off bought Gwynedd another few years of time before his sons got old enough to make power plays of their own, although Alaric lost his own life in the process.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Bynw on January 23, 2018, 05:07:05 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on January 23, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
Actually if you read the account of Kenneth's death it is consistent with a heart attack. I just don't see why bynw had to kill off Akaric, but early on it sounded like he died in battle repulsing an invasion of Corwyn  and killed Teymuraz. Am I remembering it right?

You are correct. Alaric Morgan, Duke of Corwyn died in battle defending Corwyn and Gwynedd from a southern invasion attempt by Teymuraz. Both died during the conflict.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: DerynifanK on January 24, 2018, 05:31:44 PM
What I really hate about Alaric's  death is that it seems to have been timed to deny him the joy of his grandchildren, He would be a wonderful grandfather and his children were deprived of a wonderful experience
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: revanne on January 25, 2018, 06:25:38 AM
Quote from: Bynw on January 23, 2018, 02:25:23 PM
The authority and influence of the Camberian Council has been waining since the days of King Donal, Kelson's grandfather. This trend continued into Kelson's reign to the point now that the Camberian Council, who thinks mighty highly of themselves, is all but a joke outside of Gwynedd itself. The fear and authority it once had on Deryni in the 11 Kingdoms is long gone. However it still holds influence in Gwynedd itself.

Here the existance of the council is somewhat known even to Humans. Its existance was whispered about to help ease the fear of Deryni within Gwynedd. The existance of a Deryni court where wayward Deryni who misuse their power will be tried and punished. The membership is still secret. Although some members are known. It is known that Denis Arlin is on the Camberian Council.

I can see that given the CC's (and Sefan Coram's) role in the death of Wencit et al the reputation of the CC would have been irretrievably damaged in countries hostile (or potentially so) to Gwynedd.

Also are we to understand from this that Denis Arilan is still alive - he would I think be into his 80's?
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on January 25, 2018, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: revanne on January 25, 2018, 06:25:38 AM
Quote from: Bynw on January 23, 2018, 02:25:23 PM
The authority and influence of the Camberian Council has been waining since the days of King Donal, Kelson's grandfather. This trend continued into Kelson's reign to the point now that the Camberian Council, who thinks mighty highly of themselves, is all but a joke outside of Gwynedd itself. The fear and authority it once had on Deryni in the 11 Kingdoms is long gone. However it still holds influence in Gwynedd itself.

Here the existance of the council is somewhat known even to Humans. Its existance was whispered about to help ease the fear of Deryni within Gwynedd. The existance of a Deryni court where wayward Deryni who misuse their power will be tried and punished. The membership is still secret. Although some members are known. It is known that Denis Arlin is on the Camberian Council.

I can see that given the CC's (and Sefan Coram's) role in the death of Wencit et al the reputation of the CC would have been irretrievably damaged in countries hostile (or potentially so) to Gwynedd.

Also are we to understand from this that Denis Arilan is still alive - he would I think be into his 80's?

If he is still alive, he may well be one of the coadjutors of the Council by now. IIRC, Barrett was in his 80s when we saw him in that role on the Council.  (Jehana was only something like half his age when they married.)

I don't think that Stefan Coram's actions would have been known to anyone outside of the Wards, given that no one outside of them had a clear view of what was happening (including the Council, IIRC), and none of our Gwyneddan survivors are likely to go telling others the true story of what happened that day.  "Well, yeah, our side won, but we really didn't win fair and square; it was someone from the CC pretending to be a Torenthi who betrayed that side and won the day for us."  You're right, that wouldn't go down well with anyone outside of Gwynedd, especially anyone in Torenth, so why in the world would Kelson et al make that public knowledge?  ;D And as for the rest of the Council's participation, all anyone else knows who saw and took note of them is that four mysterious people on horseback showed up, took part in helping set the opening terms of the duel, and then waited for the outcome like everyone else present. So I'm not sure that would have influenced anyone's opinion of them one way or the other.

Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Laurna on January 25, 2018, 01:33:35 PM
This leads me to an idea. Do you think Jehenna would have become a CC member, say 20 years after her marriage to Barret? He would have seen to her full training. She understood being a leader and running royal council meetings. She would have followed in Barrett's shoes and she would hold standards high to be in line with Kelson's standards. Her one down fall is that she likely never got over not liking Morgan, so she may not have been too friendly with his family even in later times. Or maybe she learned to appreciate the children who played with her young daughter?
What do you think?
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on January 25, 2018, 01:48:32 PM
Given that she didn't like Morgan because she was convinced Deryni were evil and that Morgan was the one responsible for leading Brion down a highway straight to the gates of Hell, so to speak, I think her reason for disliking him would eventually evaporate once she becomes convinced that Deryni aren't inherently evil, and that she's wronged Morgan for decades. Granted, that in itself could lead to some awkwardness around him, but I can't see her so much holding a grudge against him long after any reason for that grudge has passed, as I can imagine her avoiding him due to embarrassment and shame regarding her previous behavior towards him.  After all, at one point she wanted him dead and tried to engineer that; it might be difficult to look him in the eye with both of them knowing that, even after her feelings about Deryni have changed for the better.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Jerusha on January 25, 2018, 01:54:11 PM
Although Jehanna's feelings toward Deryni have changed, especially after her marriage to Barrett,  I don't think the Camberian Council would trust her completely enough to accept her into their ranks. 
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on January 25, 2018, 01:59:52 PM
If Denis dies or gets to a point when he needs to retire from the CC due to declining health or what-not, it could be that his nephew Seisyll or one of the other younger Arilans might step into that position, though, given that Jamyl was on the CC before Denis, so it seems to be a family tradition.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: revanne on January 25, 2018, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: Evie on January 25, 2018, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: revanne on January 25, 2018, 06:25:38 AM
Quote from: Bynw on January 23, 2018, 02:25:23 PM
The authority and influence of the Camberian Council has been waining since the days of King Donal, Kelson's grandfather. This trend continued into Kelson's reign to the point now that the Camberian Council, who thinks mighty highly of themselves, is all but a joke outside of Gwynedd itself. The fear and authority it once had on Deryni in the 11 Kingdoms is long gone. However it still holds influence in Gwynedd itself.

Here the existance of the council is somewhat known even to Humans. Its existance was whispered about to help ease the fear of Deryni within Gwynedd. The existance of a Deryni court where wayward Deryni who misuse their power will be tried and punished. The membership is still secret. Although some members are known. It is known that Denis Arlin is on the Camberian Council.

I can see that given the CC's (and Sefan Coram's) role in the death of Wencit et al the reputation of the CC would have been irretrievably damaged in countries hostile (or potentially so) to Gwynedd.

Also are we to understand from this that Denis Arilan is still alive - he would I think be into his 80's?

If he is still alive, he may well be one of the coadjutors of the Council by now. IIRC, Barrett was in his 80s when we saw him in that role on the Council.  (Jehana was only something like half his age when they married.)

I don't think that Stefan Coram's actions would have been known to anyone outside of the Wards, given that no one outside of them had a clear view of what was happening (including the Council, IIRC), and none of our Gwyneddan survivors are likely to go telling others the true story of what happened that day.  "Well, yeah, our side won, but we really didn't win fair and square; it was someone from the CC pretending to be a Torenthi who betrayed that side and won the day for us."  You're right, that wouldn't go down well with anyone outside of Gwynedd, especially anyone in Torenth, so why in the world would Kelson et al make that public knowledge?  ;D And as for the rest of the Council's participation, all anyone else knows who saw and took note of them is that four mysterious people on horseback showed up, took part in helping set the opening terms of the duel, and then waited for the outcome like everyone else present. So I'm not sure that would have influenced anyone's opinion of them one way or the other.
Brain not functioning today. You're right of course.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Evie on January 25, 2018, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: revanne on January 25, 2018, 02:59:24 PM

Brain not functioning today.

Mine either.  Started sneezing and sniffling last night, and even though Sudafed seems to have helped with that, I'm also cold and sleepy (since also waking out of a sound sleep in the pre-dawn hours for no reason did not help), so I'm not sure how active Aliset is going to be in the next 24 hours if I can't get my brain jump-started again.   :-\
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Laurna on January 25, 2018, 04:08:21 PM
Evie get healthy fast. this years cold/flu is especially nasty so rest and sleep.

I am personally enjoying the respite from actively running from the bad guys. I got a good night's sleep and feel better for it.
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: DerynifanK on January 25, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
Take care Evie. This year's  flu is particularly bad and you need to focus on getting  better 
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: Jerusha on January 25, 2018, 06:18:47 PM
My brain could use a bit of recharging as well.  Get well soon, Evie, while we look for a Portal to whisk us all off to Rhemuth.

One can dream....
Title: Re: The Setting
Post by: DesertRose on January 25, 2018, 06:21:46 PM
It's a game.  It'll be there when all the players (and the GM) are feeling well and have gotten a decent amount of sleep.  :D

That being said, it's fun to read the game thread.   ;D

Maybe I should put some chicken noodle soup and hot toddies on the chat room tea table?  ;)