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DAG to Tiny D6
« on: May 28, 2018, 06:01:13 pm »
DAG to Tiny D6 Conversion

Arcane Lore = Spell-Trained Trait
Blocking = Blocking Trait
Body-Control = Power Trait
   Fatigue-Banishing = Spell-Trained Trait
Casting = Power Trait
Healing = Healing Trait
Mind-Control = Spell-Trained Trait
Mind-Reading = Power Trait
   Death Reading = Spell-Trained Trait
   Memory Assumption = Spell-Trained Trait
Mind-Speech = Power Trait
Move Objects = Telekinesis Trait
   Heart Stopping = Spell-Trained Trait
Shields = Power Trait
Spellcasting = Spell-Trained Trait (see below)
   Basic Spells can be done with just the Power Trait
      Activation
      Attack
      Attunement
      Conjury (Illusions)
      Flame Conjuring
      Handfire
      Warding
   Advanced Spells must be Spell-Trained
      Preservation on Dead Bodies = Healer Trait also required
      Scrying
      Shape-changing = Shapechange Trait
      Sympathetic Magic = I am wondering if this should be Spell Master
      Summoning
      Binding Souls
      The Forbidden Spell = I am wondering if this too should be Spell Master
Truth-Reading = Power Trait
Rituals = Ritual Magic Trait
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Re: DAG to Tiny D6
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2018, 08:52:15 am »
What would weather working fall under? Spell-Trained, or Ritual Magic? (She asks as rain pounds down upon the overhead skylight....  ;D )
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Re: DAG to Tiny D6
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2018, 08:58:55 am »
What would weather working fall under? Spell-Trained, or Ritual Magic? (She asks as rain pounds down upon the overhead skylight....  ;D )

Never mind, it just occurred to me that would fall under sympathetic magic.  So I suppose that would depend on how that particular form of sympathetic magic was worked (i.e., if there is a simple spell for it--what I think DesertRose referred to in another post as a form of magical "shorthand," or if there is a more complicated ritual for causing the magical effect).  As depicted in the books, it doesn't seem terribly complicated as far as I can recall, although it does look like something that would require training rather than being one of the more instinctive skills.

I'm tempted to say Binding Souls ought to be a Spell Master trait, though that might just be me not wanting just any old trained Deryni to be able to go around doing that!  Because Eek!   ;D
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Re: DAG to Tiny D6
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2018, 09:00:25 am »
What would weather working fall under? Spell-Trained, or Ritual Magic? (She asks as rain pounds down upon the overhead skylight....  ;D )

Never mind, it just occurred to me that would fall under sympathetic magic.  So I suppose that would depend on how that particular form of sympathetic magic was worked (i.e., if there is a simple spell for it--what I think DesertRose referred to in another post as a form of magical "shorthand," or if there is a more complicated ritual for causing the magical effect).  As depicted in the books, it doesn't seem terribly complicated as far as I can recall, although it does look like something that would require training rather than being one of the more instinctive skills.

It would Sympathetic Magic, but could be done under a Ritual Magic condition.

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Re: DAG to Tiny D6
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2018, 09:28:50 am »
What would weather working fall under? Spell-Trained, or Ritual Magic? (She asks as rain pounds down upon the overhead skylight....  ;D )

Never mind, it just occurred to me that would fall under sympathetic magic.  So I suppose that would depend on how that particular form of sympathetic magic was worked (i.e., if there is a simple spell for it--what I think DesertRose referred to in another post as a form of magical "shorthand," or if there is a more complicated ritual for causing the magical effect).  As depicted in the books, it doesn't seem terribly complicated as far as I can recall, although it does look like something that would require training rather than being one of the more instinctive skills.

It would Sympathetic Magic, but could be done under a Ritual Magic condition.

I would think that weather working would be a bit complex to be done as a simple spell; to use the example of Ariella making it rain over Iomaire, she is not only dripping water from her fingers over the relevant bit of the map she has, she's also willing the clouds and air to deposit rain where she needs it to be to hinder her opponents, which is not a simple process even if the knowledge that clouds full of rain and air itself weigh a LOT is not yet known to medieval people (as I don't think that knowledge had been discovered in the real-world equivalent time frame).  We don't see exactly how Ariella set up for her weather working, but I'd hazard a guess that at minimum she set up Wards and possibly called the Quarters before beginning.
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Re: DAG to Tiny D6
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2018, 09:37:32 am »
What would weather working fall under? Spell-Trained, or Ritual Magic? (She asks as rain pounds down upon the overhead skylight....  ;D )

Never mind, it just occurred to me that would fall under sympathetic magic.  So I suppose that would depend on how that particular form of sympathetic magic was worked (i.e., if there is a simple spell for it--what I think DesertRose referred to in another post as a form of magical "shorthand," or if there is a more complicated ritual for causing the magical effect).  As depicted in the books, it doesn't seem terribly complicated as far as I can recall, although it does look like something that would require training rather than being one of the more instinctive skills.

It would Sympathetic Magic, but could be done under a Ritual Magic condition.

I would think that weather working would be a bit complex to be done as a simple spell; to use the example of Ariella making it rain over Iomaire, she is not only dripping water from her fingers over the relevant bit of the map she has, she's also willing the clouds and air to deposit rain where she needs it to be to hinder her opponents, which is not a simple process even if the knowledge that clouds full of rain and air itself weigh a LOT is not yet known to medieval people (as I don't think that knowledge had been discovered in the real-world equivalent time frame).  We don't see exactly how Ariella set up for her weather working, but I'd hazard a guess that at minimum she set up Wards and possibly called the Quarters before beginning.

It's not simple magic. It's an Advanced Spell. Which means in DAG under Fudge, one would have to have ranks in Spellcasting and Arcane Lore in order to even attempt such an undertaking. And would probably be made easier under a Ritual with multiple Deryni and or humans for help to draw more energy from.


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Re: DAG to Tiny D6
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2018, 11:42:35 am »
What does Sympathetic magic mean and what is it?

I would think that Weather working would be a full Ritual involved with several people's energy used to change atmospheric conditions and cause storms. What we see of Arielia doing this spell was only a few minutes glimpse from Camber after the spell had been going on for days. At this point, Ariella is just reinforcing what she has already set in motion.
At minimum, Weather working is Ritual Magic. However, to succeed on a grand scale, (more than just a small tornado in one spot) I would think the wielder would have to be a Spell Master and have to use many people's energy.  (However, let me add the stipulation that energy consumed to the point of human sacrifice would not be necessary and would be considered the evilest practices.)

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Re: DAG to Tiny D6
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2018, 12:00:11 pm »
What does Sympathetic magic mean and what is it?

Sympathetic magic is based on the principle that “like creates like.” The primary example from the Chronicles involves Ariella working weather magic: she sprinkles water on a map of Gwynedd to summon rain to bog down Cinhil’s army and dampen their spirits. In general, sympathetic magic attempts to influence the course of otherwise random events (such as weather, the growth of crops, the melting of snow in mountain passes, and so forth).

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The Gamemaster is encouraged to allow players to come up with their own uses for sympathetic magic, keeping in mind that its effects usually appear to be random chance. Such spells cannot produce impossible effects, although they sometimes create improbable ones.

In Fudge the result of the Spellcasting check determines the outcome; usually at least Fair level is required to have much effect at all.

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Re: DAG to Tiny D6
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2018, 12:34:52 pm »
Another aspect of sympathetic magic is the concept of "As above, so below," which is often applied when scheduling ritual work.  When the moon is new (not generally visible), that is considered a good time to begin things, to set things in motion.  For example, if you wanted to work magic towards getting a better job or landing a placement in a good academic program, you would start your ritual around the new moon and probably reinforce it as the moon "grows" (of course, now we know the moon doesn't actually grow; it's that the shadow of the earth moves in a rhythmic and predictable fashion to allow more of the moon to show to the naked eye), and then you might "cap" the working at the full moon, hoping for your results to come to fruition around that time.

Conversely, if you were wanting to end a thing (for example, to try to break a bad habit), you would want to do that starting at the full moon, augmenting as the moon wanes, and culminating at the new moon.

[Since I am in the Northern Hemisphere, I am going to roll with the seasons as they occur north of the equator.  Someone in the Southern Hemisphere would do all these things in opposite order, because the Summer Solstice in the Northern Hemisphere is the Winter Solstice south of the equator.]

Also, seasonal work comes into this.  Yule (the Winter Solstice, ~22 December) is generally held to be a good time to set larger-scale things in motion, as after the Solstice, the length of daylight in each day gets a little longer (until the Summer Solstice [Litha] in June).  You might set your intention at Yule, and possibly begin to plant seeds (generally metaphorically) at Imbolc/Candlemas (~2 February), augmenting again at the Spring Equinox (~20 March), bringing the fertility energy of Beltane (~1 May) to enrich the process, and the culmination would be at the Summer Solstice.

And the reverse is true.  If you are trying to reduce or eliminate something that is too large/long-term an undertaking to do over the course of a single moon's phases, you would set your intention at Litha, prune your metaphorical plant at Lammas/Lughnasadh (~2 August), augment the intention at the Autumn Equinox/Mabon (~22 September), bring the energy of death (as a part of the natural cycle of birth, growth, maturity, death, and rebirth, not as a per se negative concept) at Samhain/Halloween (31 October), and the culmination of your efforts would be around Yule.

Edited to correct punctuation.
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Re: DAG to Tiny D6
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2018, 12:42:22 pm »

I would think that Weather working would be a full Ritual involved with several people's energy used to change atmospheric conditions and cause storms. What we see of Arielia doing this spell was only a few minutes glimpse from Camber after the spell had been going on for days. At this point, Ariella is just reinforcing what she has already set in motion.
At minimum, Weather working is Ritual Magic. However, to succeed on a grand scale, (more than just a small tornado in one spot) I would think the wielder would have to be a Spell Master and have to use many people's energy.  (However, let me add the stipulation that energy consumed to the point of human sacrifice would not be necessary and would be considered the evilest practices.)

Although Sympathetic magic is considered a Spell. It is still usually done in a Ritual setting. In the stories provided to us by KK. We see ritual magic preformed for the empowering of various Haldanes, the creation of Transfer Portal. And for scrying. Which again is just a spell. But works better and more powerful in a Ritual.


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Re: DAG to Tiny D6
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2018, 03:44:23 pm »
The discussion  of different kinds and levels of magic and different practitioners  has been really interesting as I didn't know that much about it before. Learning a lot. Thank you

 

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