KK Chat -- 28 January 2018

[DesertRose]

Jan 28 19:16:57 *   KK has joined
Jan 28 19:17:00 <Evie>   Hi!
Jan 28 19:17:04 <Eyikl>   Hi KK
Jan 28 19:17:08 <KK>   Hello, all.
Jan 28 19:17:12 <Evie>   I was just saying I hope all is well with you this week
Jan 28 19:17:20 <Derynifank>   Ha, she must have heard you
Jan 28 19:17:30 <jemler>   hi kk
Jan 28 19:17:35 <Derynifank>   Hi KK
Jan 28 19:17:46 <Evie>   I was about to set chocolate mint Blizzards out at the quarters
Jan 28 19:18:07 <Derynifank>   Yum
Jan 28 19:18:14 <jemler>   go for it, evie!
Jan 28 19:18:37 <KK>   Yes, all is mostly well.  LBM's principal care giver during the week had a fainting spell on Thursday, so she took Friday off to rest and was to see her cardiologist yesterday.  Hopefully, that all went well and she'll be back tomorrow.
Jan 28 19:18:39 <The_Bee>   hi KK
Jan 28 19:18:47 <Evie>   Oh, wow!
Jan 28 19:19:01 <KK>   Yeah it's been....interesting.
Jan 28 19:19:01 <Shiral>   Hello Katherine.
Jan 28 19:19:19 <KK>   Motheris doing fine, though.
Jan 28 19:19:27 <Evie>   That's good. 
Jan 28 19:19:29 *   Shiral snaps fingers and produces a tea table complete with tea and toffee almond shortbread
Jan 28 19:19:35 <Evie>   yum!
Jan 28 19:19:44 <KK>   I'm in favor of tea.
Jan 28 19:19:45 <Derynifank>   Hope it's nothing serious and she'loves soon be back
Jan 28 19:20:04 <Evie>   KK, I am sooooo sorry, but I took Mini-Duncan to Starbucks, and he's turned into a hipster!  https://flic.kr/p/FHxrNb
Jan 28 19:20:08 <Evie>   :-D
Jan 28 19:20:21 <Shiral>   Yeah she SAYS she's sorry.... =o)
Jan 28 19:21:01 <Eyikl>   *sad trumpet noise*
Jan 28 19:21:05 <Evie>   LOL! OK, sorry not sorry.  Actually what happened was I made him a knit beanie so he could wear modern clothes without me having to take his purple skullcap off.  :-D
Jan 28 19:21:17 <KK>   He doesn't look too bad.  Hoodies are appropriate outerwear when moving among Mundanes.
Jan 28 19:21:29 <Evie>   And then when DR saw his pic, she said all he needed was a coffee and skinny jeans, and he'd look like a hipster.
Jan 28 19:21:50 <jemler>   i want a hoodie with horns on the top.
Jan 28 19:21:55 <KK>   Hipster--is tht really a going-term, these days?
Jan 28 19:21:55 <Evie>   so that had to happen. Except I don't have action figure skinny jeans, so he went for the hipster glasses
Jan 28 19:21:58 <Shiral>   One of my favorite local bakeries used to make what was called Honey almond bars which was basically shortbread with a caramelized almond topping, but broke my heart because they STOPPED making them. But then I found a recipe for them that is WAY better than the bakery's version.
Jan 28 19:22:28 <KK>   Do tell, Shiral.  They sound awesome.
Jan 28 19:22:36 <Evie>   Yum!
Jan 28 19:22:44 <jemler>   post the recipe on RC.
Jan 28 19:23:09 <Shiral>   I'll have to send you the recipe. They're delish. But I have to resist the impulse to make them all that often.
Jan 28 19:23:18 <Shiral>   Or I won't be fitting into ANY jeans. =o)
Jan 28 19:23:22 <KK>   BRB.  Dogs are barking toward the front of the house, and Scott is not here.
Jan 28 19:23:30 <Evie>   LOL, Shiral
Jan 28 19:23:38 <Evie>   OK
Jan 28 19:24:12 <Shiral>   But bless the British Baking championship--this is from a cookbook with their recipes
Jan 28 19:24:20 <Evie>   Hopefully it's only a possum or insert local wildlife equivalent here
Jan 28 19:24:32 <Derynifank>   Hope it's just a passing cat or something
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Jan 28 19:24:44 <Evie>   Hi Jerusha
Jan 28 19:24:48 <Eyikl>   hi jerusha
Jan 28 19:24:49 <Shiral>   Hope it's not the Torenthis.
Jan 28 19:24:49 <The_Bee>   Hi jerusha
Jan 28 19:24:52 <Shiral>   Hi Jerusha
Jan 28 19:24:52 <Jerusha>   Hi Everyone!
Jan 28 19:24:59 <jemler>   hi jerusha
Jan 28 19:25:00 <Derynifank>   Hi Jerusha
Jan 28 19:25:07 <Evie>   The Torenthi army marching on Staunton would be hella lost
Jan 28 19:25:11 <Shiral>   On the other hand, KK would be able to handle a passle of Torenthis
Jan 28 19:25:18 <Jerusha>   It's always the Torenthis
Jan 28 19:25:27 <Shiral>   Well, you
Jan 28 19:25:38 <Shiral>   have to have an interesting opposition, right?
Jan 28 19:26:00 <Evie>   KK would just write an...interesting outcome for an invading army of Torenthis
Jan 28 19:26:45 <Derynifank>   Could be the Mearans, they are almost more trouble than the Torenthis
Jan 28 19:26:48 <Shiral>   And then she'd invite them in for tea. =o) She is their creator, after all
Jan 28 19:27:08 <DesertRose>   Hi Bee, KK, and Jerusha
Jan 28 19:27:16 <Jerusha>   Hi DR
Jan 28 19:27:16 <DesertRose>   Sorry, I was afk finishing cooking supper.
Jan 28 19:27:36 <Evie>   The Mearans are being a lot worse trouble than the Torenthis right now, at my house anyway, since I'm rereading TKJ
Jan 28 19:27:37 <Jerusha>   DH is looking after the mess I made of the kitchen for dinner
Jan 28 19:27:45 <Shiral>   Well, the Mearans are apparently incapable of realizing a lost cause until they're faces are thoroughly rubbed in it.
Jan 28 19:27:50 <Evie>   Yay for helpful DH
Jan 28 19:28:12 <Evie>   Stubbornness, thy name is Caitrin
Jan 28 19:28:12 <Jerusha>   Lemon chili spaghetti leave a lot of dishes
Jan 28 19:28:25 <Shiral>   Caitrin had to lose her whole family before she finally understood she was beaten before she even started.
Jan 28 19:28:37 <Jerusha>   Hard lesson to learm
Jan 28 19:28:48 <Jerusha>   learn, that is
Jan 28 19:28:52 <Evie>   Lemon chili spaghetti? Sounds like an interesting recipe.
Jan 28 19:28:54 <Shiral>   She insisted on fighting to the bitter end, though
Jan 28 19:28:58 <Derynifank>   Not sure why anyone wants Meara since it seems to be a constant thorn in the side
Jan 28 19:29:14 <Jerusha>   Not your usual meat sauce
Jan 28 19:29:19 <Evie>   To keep it from being a worse thorn in the side?
Jan 28 19:29:37 <Shiral>   LOL, I read that for a moment as Mearan Spaghetti Sauce
Jan 28 19:29:38 <Jerusha>   Depends on whose side you are on
Jan 28 19:29:55 <Jerusha>   Not that could be interesting, Shiral!
Jan 28 19:30:08 <Shiral>   Mearan Housecleaning always gave me the image of King Donal running a vacuum cleaner.
Jan 28 19:30:24 <Jerusha>   Dice Loris carefully, then add to a pot of boiling water
Jan 28 19:30:31 <DesertRose>   A vacuum cleaner under a brand called Decimator, maybe.  ;P
Jan 28 19:30:39 <Eyikl>   Well if their sort of the Irish/Welsh to the Gwynnedd English, the stubboness just runs to parrallel to use.
Jan 28 19:30:44 <Shiral>   A shop vac, it would almost have to be
Jan 28 19:30:50 <Eyikl>   *us
Jan 28 19:31:27 <Evie>   I assume that recipe refers to chili peppers and not the beef/beans/chili powder based sauce stew recipe popular in the South
Jan 28 19:31:44 <DesertRose>   And southwest.
Jan 28 19:31:45 <The_Bee>   I don't think I'd enjoy being a Mearan under Gwyneddan rule--or anyone living under a foreign potentate.
Jan 28 19:31:51 <DesertRose>   Chili is Tex-Mex food originally.
Jan 28 19:31:56 <Shiral>   Ew, don't know if I'd want to eat anything with diced Loris in it
Jan 28 19:32:00 <Jerusha>   Yes, chili flake, lemon peel, lemon juice and lots of parmesan cheese
Jan 28 19:32:11 <DesertRose>   Yeah, this is Gwynedd, not Whistle Stop!
Jan 28 19:32:11 <Evie>   Ah, OK
Jan 28 19:32:35 <Jerusha>   Loris would be tough to chew, but easy to spit our
Jan 28 19:32:44 <Jerusha>   out, that is
Jan 28 19:32:52 <Jerusha>   rented fingers
Jan 28 19:32:53 <DesertRose>   "Secret's in the sauce." 
Jan 28 19:33:14 <Derynifank>   Probably would taste  really sour and give you a stomachache  if you ate the Loris  dish
Jan 28 19:33:41 <Jerusha>   Some secrets are best kept ,,,secret
Jan 28 19:33:42 <Evie>   I'd forgotten how much Loris comes across as an obsessed maniac by the time we meet him again in TBH.  Being imprisoned didn't improve his personality.
Jan 28 19:33:55 <Jerusha>   usually doesn't
Jan 28 19:34:06 <KK>   Yeah, the bishop ya love to hate.
Jan 28 19:34:17 <DesertRose>   When someone has been imprisoned unjustly (or believes they have), they do tend to build up rather a lot of resentment.
Jan 28 19:34:28 <Evie>   Not to mentions spittle
Jan 28 19:34:33 <Evie>   mention, even
Jan 28 19:34:35 <The_Bee>   barking dogs mystery solved, KK?
Jan 28 19:34:51 <Shiral>   Religious fanatics are rarely great company
Jan 28 19:34:56 <Evie>   Loris lurking outside the window?
Jan 28 19:35:18 <Derynifank>   No wandering Torenthis or Mearans?
Jan 28 19:35:30 <Jerusha>   Release the hounds of....
Jan 28 19:35:35 <bynw>   Loris is one of those characters that you just wish was mind-ripped for the fun of it
Jan 28 19:35:40 <jemler>   i actuslly liked loris. especially after his impression of a chandellier!
Jan 28 19:35:49 <DesertRose>   LOL @ jemler
Jan 28 19:35:51 <Jerusha>   Jemler!
Jan 28 19:35:58 <KK>   Nope.  Sometimes they just go off.  We did solve the mystery of who was trying to break into their dog chow box on the back porch.  Very large skunk.
Jan 28 19:36:09 <Jerusha>   Eww
Jan 28 19:36:16 <DesertRose>   Surprised it wasn't a raccoon.  They eat anything.
Jan 28 19:36:17 <KK>   Fortunately, he cleared out without damage.
Jan 28 19:36:27 <Evie>   Hopefully said large skunk didn't leave any odorous souvenirs
Jan 28 19:36:28 <Shiral>   That could have ended very bad and smelly ending
Jan 28 19:36:32 <DesertRose>   (and they'll go to marked and remarkable lengths to get to any sort of food)
Jan 28 19:36:36 <DesertRose>   Indeed!
Jan 28 19:36:40 <Derynifank>   Wouldn'the want to argue with a skunk
Jan 28 19:36:40 <Evie>   brb phone
Jan 28 19:36:43 <The_Bee>   not someone you'd want your animals to mess with.
Jan 28 19:36:56 <KK>   No, he appears to have been very well-behaved.  This time.
Jan 28 19:37:09 <Jerusha>   Our boxer had a run-in with a skunk.  It did not go we3ll
Jan 28 19:37:12 <Shiral>   My mother used a radio to persuade a family of skunks to self-evict from under her deck
Jan 28 19:37:12 <Jerusha>   well
Jan 28 19:37:37 <DesertRose>   Yeah, dog plus skunk usually results in one very stinky dog.
Jan 28 19:37:42 <The_Bee>   I've sometimes seen a skunk in my back yard.
Jan 28 19:37:45 <Evie>   phone
Jan 28 19:37:47 <Derynifank>   Did she play rap at them ?
Jan 28 19:38:13 <Shiral>   My cousin and her dog were living with my mom at the time, and Theda (the dog) had to have a tomato  juice bath at one point
Jan 28 19:38:31 <Shiral>   Not sure what she played, but luckily the Skunks DID decide to leave
Jan 28 19:38:53 <Jerusha>   Maybe bagpipes?
Jan 28 19:39:13 <Shiral>   All the neighbors would have left after that!
Jan 28 19:39:47 <The_Bee>   did the tomato juice bath work?
Jan 28 19:40:08 <Derynifank>   I like bagpipes if they are  well played
Jan 28 19:40:11 <Shiral>   As I recall it did, although Theda had a rather rosy aspect to her fur for a few days afterwards
Jan 28 19:40:31 <Eyikl>   me too, DerynifanK
Jan 28 19:40:34 <DesertRose>   I like bagpipe music too, but you want to be a good distance from the piper, because bagpipes have ONE volume setting, and it's NOT quiet.
Jan 28 19:40:36 <Shiral>   I do too, Derynifank, but NOT in the middle of the night
Jan 28 19:40:53 <KK>   We had a neighbor who played the pipes.  I heard him when I was outside one afternoon and went to investigate.  Nice chap.  He'd played at West Point.
Jan 28 19:40:55 <Eyikl>   Maybe on Halloween?
Jan 28 19:40:57 <Jerusha>   I like bagpipes as well
Jan 28 19:41:13 <The_Bee>   someone told me about an anti-skunk bath involving Dawn detergent and I forget what else.
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Jan 28 19:41:27 <KK>   Dawn is good for many things.
Jan 28 19:41:33 <Shiral>   You'd have to build up some pretty impressive airpressure with Pipes, I'd think
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Jan 28 19:41:51 <The_Bee>   like cleaning oil from bird feathers
Jan 28 19:41:55 <Derynifank>   I have a friend who plays the pipes at MN on New Years Eve, outside
Jan 28 19:42:03 <DesertRose>   I read a novel (that I've read several times because I like it) set at a fictional college at which one of the main character's friends played bagpipes.
Jan 28 19:42:03 <The_Bee>   wb jerusha
Jan 28 19:42:15 <Jerusha>   Sorry, I had an annoying popup I needed to get rid of
Jan 28 19:42:45 <DesertRose>   The main character found this out because Piper Friend was walking all over campus playing the bagpipes in the middle of the night, and she woke up from a dream or something and heard him.
Jan 28 19:43:05 <The_Bee>   What's the title?
Jan 28 19:43:10 <DesertRose>   Tam Lin
Jan 28 19:43:14 <DesertRose>   The author's name is Pamela Dean
Jan 28 19:43:14 <Derynifank>   Would think he woke her up
Jan 28 19:43:34 <Jerusha>   Likely woke everyone up
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Jan 28 19:44:14 <DesertRose>   In the conversation that ensued after she and one of her roommates tracked him down and found out they knew the piper, he apologized for having woken them up, and they both said that they didn't think he had, that they'd woken up for unrelated reasons but heard the music in the distance and got curious.
Jan 28 19:44:16 <The_Bee>   Isn't there a folk character named Tam Lin?
Jan 28 19:44:17 <Eyikl>   ....like the story of the woman who goes to the fairy relem to get her human lover back?
Jan 28 19:44:24 <DesertRose>   Yes
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Jan 28 19:44:33 <DesertRose>   It's a deliberate adaptation of that story.
Jan 28 19:44:41 <Eyikl>   cool
Jan 28 19:44:46 <jemler>   You guys ever watch 'American Pie: Band Camp"?
Jan 28 19:44:48 <Jerusha>   Now I got booted because Mibbit had a long running script
Jan 28 19:44:55 <DesertRose>   It's a fun book, and at times it got me through my degree!@
Jan 28 19:45:02 <DesertRose>   Sorry, the @ was a typo.
Jan 28 19:45:31 <jemler>   You guys ever watch 'American Pie: Band Camp"?
Jan 28 19:45:39 <Shiral>   Dmitri just showed up with a chip on his shoulder. He's being very talkative about it
Jan 28 19:45:45 <The_Bee>   not I
Jan 28 19:45:47 <DesertRose>   It was originally published in the early 1990's, I think, but it's been re-released more recently.
Jan 28 19:45:58 <DesertRose>   Nope, I don't do "American Pie" movies.  Not my jam.
Jan 28 19:46:18 <The_Bee>   Dmitri, behave yourself!
Jan 28 19:46:20 <KK>   Why does Dmitri have a chip on his shoulder?
Jan 28 19:46:30 <Jerusha>   Hi Dimitri
Jan 28 19:46:40 <DesertRose>   Carys has shown up to try to nose into my supper plate.
Jan 28 19:46:46 <jemler>   you were talking about bagpipes. in the movie one kid challenges another to a duel at band camp, not realizing that it was by instruments. he plays a bagpipe and wins. when someone asks if he was Scottish, he said "My Mom made learn an instrument; that's the most annoying one I could think of."
Jan 28 19:46:52 <DesertRose>   Which tells me I should probably take it to the kitchen.
Jan 28 19:46:53 <Shiral>   He's trying to tell me KK, but I need a translater of Cat into English.
Jan 28 19:47:13 <Eyikl>   Hi Dimitri
Jan 28 19:47:16 <Jerusha>   I can relate to that, Jemler!
Jan 28 19:47:20 <Shiral>   I think it's along the lines of the eternal disrespect of the Young for their elders. So probably Tati has been a brat
Jan 28 19:47:25 <DesertRose>   Carys is also trying to do her best impression of a roadblock.
Jan 28 19:47:40 <The_Bee>   food? water? Tati being a pest?
Jan 28 19:47:43 <DesertRose>   I can't see part of the screen because Someone's Furry Body is in the way.
Jan 28 19:48:02 <Shiral>   He's had supper, and I filled his water dishes, so probably it's about Tati
Jan 28 19:48:14 <jemler>   i'm a dog person, so a Cat I Lack!
Jan 28 19:48:18 *   jemler ducks
Jan 28 19:48:20 <Derynifank>   You mean you can'take see through her ?
Jan 28 19:48:53 <Jerusha>   Is it pink, Jemler?
Jan 28 19:49:06 <jemler>   
Jan 28 19:49:34 <KK>   I had a long-haired white cat years ago, Galadriel, who used to sprawl on top of the old-style TV with her tail hanging down in front of the screen.  Annoying if it weren't so cute.
Jan 28 19:49:41 <Eyikl>   jemler, have you heard of Xanth?
Jan 28 19:49:42 <Shiral>   But he and Tati often argue. The other night, she was in my lap while I was reading in bed.  Dmitri joined us and promptly chased Tati from her nice warm spot.  Then the next morning they were on the bed together washing one another's faces
Jan 28 19:49:57 <jemler>   Oh yes! Xanth.
Jan 28 19:50:45 <Derynifank>   Every time I use a contraction ac takes the  T" and turns it into another word. Very annoying
Jan 28 19:51:17 <Jerusha>   ac is a Torenthi plot
Jan 28 19:51:30 <Derynifank>   True!!!
Jan 28 19:51:32 <Jerusha>   Sot of like Chinese water torture
Jan 28 19:51:41 <Derynifank>   Yup
Jan 28 19:51:42 <Jerusha>   Sort, that is
Jan 28 19:52:30 <jemler>   eyikl, why do you ask?
Jan 28 19:53:34 <Eyikl>   It just seem like some place you'd enjoy reading about.
Jan 28 19:53:42 <Derynifank>   I had a cat who laid on top of the TV with her head hanging down in front of the screen so she saw everything  upside down  Often wondered what she thought  about it
Jan 28 19:54:08 <Jerusha>   It might have been an improvement
Jan 28 19:54:10 <The_Bee>   Remind me--who wrote the Xanth novels?
Jan 28 19:54:24 <Eyikl>   'THis is so confusing. Humans are Wierd"
Jan 28 19:54:40 <jemler>   bewe, piers anthony.
Jan 28 19:54:48 <Derynifank>   So they are
Jan 28 19:54:50 <Eyikl>   Peirs Anthony
Jan 28 19:55:03 <jemler>   i would like to have Grundys talent.
Jan 28 19:55:28 <The_Bee>   Thanks.  I've enjoyed his Incarnations of Immortality series.
Jan 28 19:55:47 <jemler>   never heard of that.
Jan 28 19:57:05 <The_Bee>   He also wtote a series of very punny titles.  Are those the Xanth books?
Jan 28 19:57:48 <Eyikl>   Probably. Though he wrote A LOT, so he could have multiple serieses
Jan 28 19:58:13 <The_Bee>   "The Crewel Lye," for example
Jan 28 19:59:03 <jemler>   yes, that's a Xanth book.
Jan 28 20:00:03 <KK>   Never could get into his work.  But then, I don't particularly like comedy.
Jan 28 20:00:10 <jemler>   in Xanth, Grundy the Golem could speak to any living thing. People, animals, plants.
Jan 28 20:00:51 <Shiral>   Well, yes. That could come in handy
Jan 28 20:01:43 <Derynifank>   Going to go. Want to see " In her Majesty's service on PBS. Have a good week
Jan 28 20:01:45 <Eyikl>   Unless he had reverse wood, in which case I guess he couldn't speak to anything at all.
Jan 28 20:01:46 <The_Bee>   KK, you might like the Incarnations of Immortality series. Humans become avatars of Death, Time, War, Fate, etc.
Jan 28 20:02:06 <Eyikl>   goodnight DerynifanK
Jan 28 20:02:12 <The_Bee>   good week to you, DFK
Jan 28 20:02:12 <jemler>   Magician Dor could talk to inanimate objects. After questioning his parents bed one day, he wasn't allowed in their bedroom after that!
Jan 28 20:02:25 <Jerusha>   Night DerynifanK
Jan 28 20:02:31 <jemler>   nite dfk
Jan 28 20:02:54 <Jerusha>   Oh my
Jan 28 20:03:22 <Eyikl>   Yep, Piers Anthony did like to add details like that.
Jan 28 20:04:24 <Shiral>   Night, DFK
Jan 28 20:04:37 <KK>   We have Victoria on PBS tonight, and after that, Queen Elizabeth's Spies--QEI, that is.
Jan 28 20:04:43 <Derynifank>   Night all
Jan 28 20:05:13 <Jerusha>   Queen Elizabeth's Spies could be very interesting
Jan 28 20:06:40 <Shiral>   Either  of  QE spies.  The tools they'd use would just be different, and against different opponents
Jan 28 20:07:04 <jemler>   i just checked and found out I have the Incarnations series Bee mentioned.
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Jan 28 20:07:28 <jemler>   i killed evie?! :O
Jan 28 20:07:39 <Jerusha>   Jemler!  How could you!
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Jan 28 20:08:20 <DesertRose>   QEI's spies would mostly have been under the direction of Sir Francis Walsingham.
Jan 28 20:08:31 <The_Bee>   Have you read Fiona Buckley's novel about Ursula Blanchard, a spy for QE1?
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Jan 28 20:08:40 <DesertRose>   He was a man best not crossed!
Jan 28 20:08:46 <Jerusha>   wb Evie
Jan 28 20:08:48 <The_Bee>   wb evie
Jan 28 20:08:52 <DesertRose>   Rehi Ev
Jan 28 20:08:54 <DesertRose>   Evie,
Jan 28 20:09:02 <DesertRose>   I can't type this evening, apparently.
Jan 28 20:09:03 <jemler>   wb evie
Jan 28 20:09:04 <DesertRose>   Rehi, Evie
Jan 28 20:09:08 <The_Bee>   I meant novels plural
Jan 28 20:09:27 <Jerusha>   There is a series of books about one of Walshingham's spies
Jan 28 20:09:42 <Jerusha>   Christobal, I think
Jan 28 20:09:54 <KK>   Yes, Elizabeth & Walsingham were the beginning of professional CIA-type agencies.
Jan 28 20:09:55 <Jerusha>   fiction versus fact
Jan 28 20:10:28 <Shiral>   They  just had a very, very different level of technology
Jan 28 20:11:14 <Shiral>   I've read two or three of the Ursula Blanchard books. I'm not sure why I stopped
Jan 28 20:11:27 <KK>   Yep.  Now, <those> were professionals.
Jan 28 20:11:53 <DesertRose>   She had her group of trusted advisors, and, not to underestimate her personal strength (which was pretty damn impressive), but they made a truly formidable team.
Jan 28 20:12:05 <DesertRose>   Even when they were annoyed with each other for various reasons.
Jan 28 20:12:22 <Shiral>   She had to be impressive and strong to survive all she did
Jan 28 20:12:28 <DesertRose>   Yup
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Jan 28 20:12:42 <DesertRose>   I always think of her as a sort of cosmic joke on her dear old dad.
Jan 28 20:12:50 <The_Bee>   rehi DFK
Jan 28 20:12:59 <DesertRose>   Since he was SO bent on siring a son.
Jan 28 20:13:02 <DesertRose>   rehi Derynifank
Jan 28 20:13:32 <Shiral>   And she not only surpassed him in length of reign, she's more famous as a ruler than he was.
Jan 28 20:13:37 <DesertRose>   Yup
Jan 28 20:13:42 <Shiral>   She had a whole era of history named after her.
Jan 28 20:13:46 <DesertRose>   He's mostly well known for having been a really rotten husband!
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Jan 28 20:14:31 <DesertRose>   And it was under Elizabeth that the English Renaissance really got going.
Jan 28 20:14:31 <Shiral>   Henry VIII was a capable King, but yeah, a  lousy husband and not a great father, either
Jan 28 20:14:34 <Eyikl>   Night all. It's dinner time here.
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Jan 28 20:14:37 <DesertRose>   No, not really.
Jan 28 20:14:43 <Shiral>   Night Eyikl
Jan 28 20:14:44 <DesertRose>   Wow, Eyikl bailed in a hurry.
Jan 28 20:14:56 <Jerusha>   Night Eyiki
Jan 28 20:15:08 <The_Bee>   She must be REALLY hungry.
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Jan 28 20:15:20 <DesertRose>   Re-rehi Derynifank
Jan 28 20:15:23 <The_Bee>   rehi DFK
Jan 28 20:15:28 <Shiral>   Or fleeing from the Torenthis. Or the Mearans
Jan 28 20:16:17 <DesertRose>   For some reason, I always thought of Torenthi (as a noun, not an adjective) as having the same form in singular and plural.
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Jan 28 20:16:48 <Jerusha>   Oh dear, Dfk
Jan 28 20:17:02 <Jerusha>   Must be the Torenthi
Jan 28 20:17:05 <DesertRose>   Must be.
Jan 28 20:18:04 <Jerusha>   Though I wonder if it was hard for Elizabeth ! to not do the dynastic duty to remain a strong queen in her own right
Jan 28 20:18:18 <DesertRose>   I think it was at times, certainly.
Jan 28 20:18:38 <DesertRose>   In that time, a woman either married or took the veil.  To remain unmarried one's entire life was thought of as unnatural.
Jan 28 20:19:01 <DesertRose>   And there were definitely men who caught her eye over the years.
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Jan 28 20:19:10 <Jerusha>   Especially when you must secure the successoin
Jan 28 20:19:11 <DesertRose>   Sir Robert Dudley being the most famous but not the only one.
Jan 28 20:19:43 <DesertRose>   But had she married, she'd have become effectively a consort to her husband the King, not a queen regnant like the current Elizabeth.
Jan 28 20:19:52 <Jerusha>   Was also Sir Francis Drake?
Jan 28 20:19:57 <DesertRose>   Might have been.
Jan 28 20:20:17 <DesertRose>   She was well known for favoring handsome, talented men who hit the balance between compliments and flattery just right.
Jan 28 20:20:17 <The_Bee>   Think the Virgin Queen really was a virgin?
Jan 28 20:20:20 <DesertRose>   I do.
Jan 28 20:20:39 <DesertRose>   Solely because she was basically never alone, particularly after she acceded to the throne.
Jan 28 20:21:15 <KK>   There are even some obscure theories that she was actually a man, or a hermaphrodite.  The argument can be made.
Jan 28 20:21:31 <DesertRose>   But even before Mary died, she was seldom alone long enough.
Jan 28 20:21:43 <DesertRose>   I've heard a theory that she had Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.
Jan 28 20:21:49 <Jerusha>   Now that has some weird implications
Jan 28 20:22:05 <DesertRose>   In which a person has XY chromosomes but because of an imbalance somewhere else, develops the appearance of a woman, not a man.
Jan 28 20:22:12 <Jerusha>   Henry, you had a son, sort of
Jan 28 20:22:14 <DesertRose>   The Duchess of Windsor had AIS.
Jan 28 20:22:27 *   Laurna (Mibbit@OWIRCN-55282c39.res.rr.com) has joined
Jan 28 20:22:32 <DesertRose>   Or is rumored to have, anyway.
Jan 28 20:22:33 <DesertRose>   Hi Laurna
Jan 28 20:22:35 <Jerusha>   Hi laurna
Jan 28 20:22:40 <Laurna>   Everyone is here  cool!
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Jan 28 20:22:47 <bynw>   hi Laurna
Jan 28 20:22:58 <Laurna>   Or is everyone leaving  LOL
Jan 28 20:22:58 <DesertRose>   Do I need to break out the staple gun?
Jan 28 20:23:01 <DesertRose>   Or more super-glue?
Jan 28 20:23:03 <The_Bee>   If she'd been an obvious male, she would hardly have concealed it.
Jan 28 20:23:03 <Jerusha>   Well, for a while
Jan 28 20:23:23 <DesertRose>   I don't think she'd have been able to conceal it if she'd had male genitalia.
Jan 28 20:23:31 <DesertRose>   Particularly not once she became Queen.
Jan 28 20:23:32 <The_Bee>   Hi Laurna
Jan 28 20:23:37 <Laurna>   Hello
Jan 28 20:23:40 <Jerusha>   Under all of those clothes, how could you tell?
Jan 28 20:23:41 <DesertRose>   The woman literally didn't use the privy unattended.
Jan 28 20:24:04 <DesertRose>   Laundresses and ladies-in-waiting and servants would have known, and would have gossiped.
Jan 28 20:24:23 <The_Bee>   If she'd been male, she wouldn't have wanted to conceal it.
Jan 28 20:24:54 <DesertRose>   And for her to have had male genitalia and conceal it her entire life, that would have required Anne Boleyn to have presented her as a girl from the word "Go," which would have been an appallingly stupid move and Anne was a lot of things but stupid was not one of her traits!
Jan 28 20:25:13 <DesertRose>   That too, Bee.
Jan 28 20:25:15 <KK>   That's part of why I think the hermaphrodite theory is more likely--though even that would have been difficult to hide indefinitely.
Jan 28 20:25:28 <DesertRose>   She caught a lot of flak for being a woman and holding power.
Jan 28 20:25:29 <Shiral>   Probably not, considering that living as a prince would have made her life VERY much easier. And Anne Boleyn might have kept Henry's favor longer!
Jan 28 20:26:22 <DesertRose>   And if Elizabeth had been a boy, Henry probably wouldn't have wound up having Anne decapitated, and he might not be so well known as the king who went through six wives!
Jan 28 20:27:23 <DesertRose>   Although around the time Elizabeth was born (maybe a little earlier), he took a fairly serious head injury in a joust and between that and the leg wound that never healed, that sent his temperament down into the substrata of the Earth!
Jan 28 20:27:26 <Jerusha>   I have never been a big fan of Henry VIII
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Jan 28 20:27:40 <Laurna>   Elizabeth was a lady through her teens when she was locked up in the tower. 
Jan 28 20:27:43 <DesertRose>   I think he was a spoiled jerk, myself, but the era is fascinating.
Jan 28 20:27:56 <DesertRose>   And his wives are incredibly interesting in each of their own rights.
Jan 28 20:28:05 <The_Bee>   I wonder if the human woman who bore a Deryni son could have had Anrogen Insensitivity Syndrome.
Jan 28 20:28:25 <DesertRose>   No, because people with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome are sterile.
Jan 28 20:29:12 <DesertRose>   Another reason Wallis Simpson wouldn't have made a good Queen, but then again Edward/David would have made a rotten king, so it seems to be the consensus now that Mrs. Simpson did the UK quite a favor!
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Jan 28 20:30:19 <DesertRose>   (The Duke of Windsor was a Nazi sympathizer.  That wouldn't have looked too great to the British people during the Blitz!)
Jan 28 20:30:47 <The_Bee>   I read that Edward had some pro-nazi sympathies.
Jan 28 20:30:52 <DesertRose>   He did.
Jan 28 20:31:00 <Jerusha>   I suspect there were many intrigues at the time
Jan 28 20:31:41 <Shiral>   So did Wallis, I think. Which was a pretty shocking betrayal on Edward VIII's part toward the kingdom he had ruled.
Jan 28 20:31:56 <DesertRose>   I stop short of thinking that someone high up in the British government paid or otherwise induced her to get Edward/David out of the way, but I think if he'd been a better candidate for a king, it would be more likely that she'd have been encouraged to go away quietly.
Jan 28 20:32:33 <DesertRose>   Apparently his own father thought he would make a rotten king.
Jan 28 20:32:34 <Shiral>   They were better off with King George VI. He had his heart in the right place
Jan 28 20:32:50 <DesertRose>   Yes
Jan 28 20:33:14 <The_Bee>   Would England even have gone to war with Germany under Edward VIII(?)
Jan 28 20:33:22 <DesertRose>   Possibly not.
Jan 28 20:33:25 <KK>   Yes, George & Elizabeth were the right monarchs for the time.
Jan 28 20:33:27 <Jerusha>   We'll never know
Jan 28 20:33:33 <DesertRose>   And that probably would not have ended well for the people of the UK.
Jan 28 20:33:43 <DesertRose>   Because we all know what happened when people tried to give Hitler an inch.
Jan 28 20:34:53 <Jerusha>   Alas, I must go. The laundry monster howls from the basement depths
Jan 28 20:35:03 <Shiral>   Night, Jerusha
Jan 28 20:35:05 <bynw>   have a good night Jerusha
Jan 28 20:35:06 <Jerusha>   Nighters, everyone!
Jan 28 20:35:14 <Laurna>   Don 't let the Trolls out.
Jan 28 20:35:15 <jemler>   your cat is doing the laundry?
Jan 28 20:35:18 <DesertRose>   Oh noes, not the laundry monster!
Jan 28 20:35:21 <Shiral>   Quick, go feed it some laundry!
Jan 28 20:35:23 <DesertRose>   G'night, Jerusha
Jan 28 20:35:25 <Laurna>   Good night Jerusha
Jan 28 20:35:31 <Jerusha>   I was going to feed it dice....
Jan 28 20:35:32 <jemler>   nite jerusha
Jan 28 20:35:35 <DesertRose>   LOL
Jan 28 20:35:39 <KK>   Night, Jerusha.
Jan 28 20:35:40 <Laurna>   LOL
Jan 28 20:35:43 <The_Bee>   nighters, Jerusha
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Jan 28 20:36:25 <Laurna>   the mention of dice gives me the Hibie Jibbies
Jan 28 20:36:29 <DesertRose>   The dish monster is howling from my kitchen, but it can just howl a while longer.  I'm not getting out of my desk chair yet.
Jan 28 20:36:48 <Shiral>   Perhaps a daughter or granddaughter  of Kelson's will inherit her grandfather's acumen for ruling.
Jan 28 20:36:49 <Laurna>   DR do you like your new place
Jan 28 20:36:53 <DesertRose>   Yes.
Jan 28 20:37:13 <Laurna>   That is great
Jan 28 20:37:17 <Shiral>   It must help to have quiet and privacy, again
Jan 28 20:37:24 <DesertRose>   I just need someone to buy that dratted dinette set from me!
Jan 28 20:37:28 <DesertRose>   Yes, it does.
Jan 28 20:37:28 <Laurna>   And sleep
Jan 28 20:37:43 <DesertRose>   Carys was a little "What in the world?" at first, but she seems to have settled in nicely.
Jan 28 20:37:54 <Laurna>   Good for her
Jan 28 20:38:05 <DesertRose>   Yes, a DesertRose who hasn't gotten enough sleep is no fun for anyone.  Not even myself!
Jan 28 20:38:24 <Shiral>   I think cats have that reaction to new surroundings. Mine did after my last move. NOW they've settled in very happily
Jan 28 20:38:33 <KK>   You're getting rid of your dinette set?  Doesn't fit, or you're just tired of it?
Jan 28 20:38:34 <Laurna>   I experienced that last week.  So glad to have sleep this week
Jan 28 20:38:37 <DesertRose>   Yes.
Jan 28 20:38:37 *   jemler hums a lullaby
Jan 28 20:38:39 <The_Bee>   dinette set too big or too ugly?
Jan 28 20:38:39 <DesertRose>   It doesn't fit.
Jan 28 20:38:49 <DesertRose>   No, it's fairly nice looking and extremely sturdy.
Jan 28 20:39:04 <DesertRose>   But there's nothing remotely near enough space for it.
Jan 28 20:39:07 <The_Bee>   so too big
Jan 28 20:39:14 <DesertRose>   Yes.
Jan 28 20:39:15 <Laurna>   Jemler Write me four phrase Lullaby with Trolls in it.
Jan 28 20:39:29 <DesertRose>   The table is round and a good 4.5 feet in diameter.
Jan 28 20:39:36 <Shiral>   Tati has popped by for a visit. She's decided my art table is HER territory
Jan 28 20:39:46 <DesertRose>   And there are five heavy chairs.  Why not four or six, I do not know.
Jan 28 20:39:49 *   bynw fills DesertRose's table up with dice
Jan 28 20:39:52 <DesertRose>   Hi Tati!
Jan 28 20:39:52 <The_Bee>   Hi Tati!
Jan 28 20:39:58 <jemler>   Ah, nights at the Round Table!
Jan 28 20:40:04 <Laurna>   LOL
Jan 28 20:40:15 <Shiral>   Sounds like your dinette set would surely be useful for someone
Jan 28 20:40:18 *   DesertRose smacks jemler with a tuna.
Jan 28 20:40:19 <DesertRose>   Yes.
Jan 28 20:40:33 <DesertRose>   I just haven't gotten any bites on the online listing yet.
Jan 28 20:40:50 <DesertRose>   I did manage to sell the "little" printer that I basically quit using when I got the color printer/scanner/copier a few years ago.
Jan 28 20:40:56 <Shiral>   Explaine they're supposed to BUY it, not BITE it.
Jan 28 20:41:02 <Laurna>   is there a consinment shope near by
Jan 28 20:41:04 <The_Bee>   Where online? ebay? Craig's list?
Jan 28 20:41:11 <jemler>   Carys looks at DR thinking "That's my DINNER!"
Jan 28 20:41:15 <DesertRose>   It was a nice little black-and-white laser printer, and I had two spare toner cartridges for it, and some guy snapped it up for his office.
Jan 28 20:41:25 <DesertRose>   Facebook Marketplace, Bee.
Jan 28 20:41:46 <bynw>   DesertRose, i was gonna say i sale most things via craigslist and FB marketplace
Jan 28 20:41:46 <The_Bee>   not familiar with that.
Jan 28 20:42:20 <DesertRose>   It'
Jan 28 20:42:31 <KK>   Ah, Scott's gotten home, so gotta go.  See you guys next week at our earlier time.  "-)
Jan 28 20:42:41 <Laurna>   Good Night KK
Jan 28 20:42:45 <jemler>   nite kk.
Jan 28 20:42:51 <bynw>   have a good night KK
Jan 28 20:42:51 <DesertRose>   It's a fairly new feature on Facebook, works roughly like craigslist, except people can message you through Facebook Messenger if they're interested in whatever you're sellign.
Jan 28 20:42:56 <DesertRose>   G'night, KK.
Jan 28 20:43:00 <The_Bee>   bye KK! Glad you came, and have a good week.
Jan 28 20:43:06 *   KK steps onto her Portal, waves goodnight, and disappeare in a shower of green sparkles.
Jan 28 20:43:07 <jemler>   HEY! quick question! wahat about Easter Sunday?
Jan 28 20:43:14 <DesertRose>   Have a good week, I hope LBM's helper is okay, and I hope LBM herself is okay!
Jan 28 20:43:20 <DesertRose>   That's not until April, jemler
Jan 28 20:43:32 <KK>   Things are looking up, thanks.  Nighters, all.
Jan 28 20:43:40 <jemler>   oi  knolw, but it's also the first sunday.
Jan 28 20:43:53 <DesertRose>   Evie said she had to bail on chat because she got a phone call she had to attend to, and then her DD's ride home from work stranded her, so Evie had to go pick up the kiddo.
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