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Prince of Meara Decendents
« on: December 18, 2017, 07:12:28 pm »
Descendant Lists of Meara and Cassan

(Please note I have not completed my full study of the Codex, not all births and death dates are listed. This is my lists to date. I know I am missing the Ramsey-Quinnell lineage. Hope to fix that soon.
 Dec 2017  Laurna)
 

Descendant List of Prince Mear mac Quinnell   
 
Index of Names:
1-Prince Mear mac Quinnell (-688)
. . . . 2-Prince Archambald Quinnell (-716)
. . . . . . . . 3-Prince Jolyon I Quinnell (-731)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Prince Aldebert Quinnell (-755)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Janus Quinnell, Sovereign Prince of Meara (-762)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Dowager Princess Ostrythe  (Ostrythe fled Meara with her children and rebelled against Armon, her brother-in-law who took the title Sovereign Prince of Meara after her husband's death, later forming by Treaty the independent Principality of Cassan)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Prince Alphonse Quinnell,  Sovereign Prince of Cassan (-789)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Prince Audic Quinnell (-795)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Prince Jensic Quinnell (-823)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Unknown "father of Amalric" Quinnell (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8-Prince Almalric Quinnell (-846)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9-Prince Jerome Quinnell (-866)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9-Prince Jolyon Quinnell (-868)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Unknown "Wife of Jolyon"  (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10-Prince Antiochus Quinnell (-891)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11-Prince Audebert Quinnell (-909)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Marianna duBois (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12-Prince Ambert Aboysius Quinnell (24 November 853-21 May 921)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Duvessa Alpina Sinclair (14 February 870-2 October 932)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13-Princess Anne Varvara Quinnell of Cassan (3 May 899-28 September 982)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13-Princess Devika Quinnell (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13-Princess Quenelda Quinnell (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13-Prince Antiochus Quinnell (died age 3)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13-Prince Alroy Quinnell (died at three days old)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Armon Quinnell, Sovereign Prince of Meara(-806)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Prince Judhael I Quinnell (-822)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Prince Arturus Quinnell (-845)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8-Prince Justin Quinnell (-845)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8-Prince Alban Quinnell (-877)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9-Princess Jorianna Quinnell (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Prince Jubal mac Adam Quinnell (-906)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10-Prince Austin Quinnell (-928)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11-Judah Quinnell (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12-Prince Ithel mac Judah mac Austin Quinnell (-972)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13-Prince Joel Quinnell (-976)

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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2017, 09:04:05 pm »
Continued lists of the Sovereign Prince of Meara

(Please note that this is raw material from my studies and may not be correct.  Dec 2017 Laura)

-Prince Joel Quinnell (-976) Sovereign Prince of Meara
+Lady Faustina  (-)
. . . . 2-Sovereign Prince Jolyon II Justinian Jebediah Quinnell (7 March 970-29 May 1025)
. . . . +Princess Urracca Faucon (-)
. . . . . . . . 3-Queen Roisian Moira Faucona "Rosheen" Quinnell (23 January 1008-3 January 1055)
. . . . . . . . +King Malcolm Congal Aidan Julian Haldane (5 September 1008-3 March 1074)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Princess Amalie Haldane (1026-1043)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Princess Tiphaine "Sister Zita" Haldane (1028-1110)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-King Donal Blaine II Aidan Cinhil Haldane (7 May 1030-14 November 1095)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Mistress Bellafane Palffy (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Lady Cyana Haldane (born between 10501080 died unknown)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Mistress Elyse Baronne Du Mont-Jesus (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Lady Desideria Haldane (born between 10501080 died unknown)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Mistress Unknown  (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Lord Ferdinand Haldane (born between 10501080- died unknown)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Dulchesse  (-6 May 1078)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Queen Richeldis Aoife Dionysia MacFaolan-Gruffud (14 November 1065-4 February 1118)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-King Brion Donal Cinhil Urine Haldane (21 June 1081-1 November 1120)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Queen Jehana Julienne- Adelaide de Besancon Faucon (27 October 1088-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-King Kelson Cinhil Rhys Anthony Haldane (14 November 1106-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Araxie Lean Haldane (18 December 1109-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Princess Araxandra Louise Sivorn Cecile Haldane (2 June 1129-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Princess Rhuys Jehane Silve Richelle Haldane (2 June 1129-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Prince Javan Uthyr Richard Urien Haldane (5 May 1130-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Princess Sidana Selena Yolanda MacArdry (7 July 1109-6 January 1124)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Princess Rosane Marie Elisabeth Jayne Haldane (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Blaine Richard Colman Emanuel Haldane (circa 1082-circa 1092)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Princess Xenia Iona Esmeralda Rosa Haldane (circa 1086-26 February 1104)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Sigismund Graf von Golzcow (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Dorothea Dulchesse Graf von Golzcow (26 February 1104-26 February 1104)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Nigel Cluim Gwydion Rhys Haldane (20 February 1087-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Meraude Mathilde Azaea de Traherne (2 August 1090-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Prince Conall Blaine Cluim Uthyr Haldane (3 March 1107-3 May 1125)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Nabila R'thana Ayesha kamila bint Hakim "Princess Rothana" ar-Rafiq (20 October 1107-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Prince Albin Nigel Brion Hakim Haldane (3 February 1126-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Vanissa 't-Serclaes (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Lady Conalline Amelia "Amelia Haldane" Haldana 't-Serclaes (6 August 1125-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Prince Rory Werril Bertald Bearand Haldane (19 January 1110-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Noelie Quintilla Ramsay-Quinnell (11 May 1108-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Prince Bearand Bertald Ewan de Traherne Haldane (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Prince Payne Malcolm Saer Augarin Haldane (30 August 1115-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Stanisha  (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Princess Eirian Elspeth Sidana Haldane (17 June 1124-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +King Liam Lajos II  (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Gloriana Haldana Esmeralda Haldane (circa 1126-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Princess Silke Anne Gwenael Lizabeth Haldane (circa 1091-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Joachim Roy Walter Cinhil Haldane (circa 1094-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Jessamy ap Lewys (circa 1041-1090)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Lord Krispin MacAthan Haldane (1081-1089)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Princess Anais Haldane (circa 1033-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Prince Florestan d'Uzes (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Prince Malcolm Haldane Junior (circa 1037-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Princess Marfurca Haldane (circa 1040-circa 1041)
. . . . . . . . 3-Princess Annalind Afreca Malise Quinnell (23 January 1008-8 August 1045)
. . . . . . . .    betrothed to Prince Adolphus Furstan-Festil (-17 June 1025)
. . . . . . . .    betrothed to Marek Furstan-Festil Junior (-)
. . . . . . . . +Rhiryd Kincaid (-8 August 1045)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Prince Judhael III Amays Jolyon Quinnell-Kincaid (1042-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Princess Aude MacFaolan (19 June 1042-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Jolyon Quinnell-Kincaid (Died age three)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Princess Caitrin Caren Urracca "Cate" Quinnell-Kincaid (28 December 1065-21 October 1127)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lord Derek Delaney (-1 January 1107)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Prince Jolyon Delaney (circa 1102-circa 1103)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lord Sicard Oswald MacArdry (6 April 1068-3 July 1124)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Prince Ithel Jolyon AElfred Berenger MacArdry Quinnell (2 December 1107-2 July 1124)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Prince Llewell Sicard Judhael Drogon MacArdry Quinnell (9 September 1108-2 February 1124)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Princess Sidana Selena Yolanda MacArdry (7 July 1109-6 January 1124)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +King Kelson Cinhil Rhys Anthony Haldane (14 November 1106-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Princess Sorcha Quinnell-Kincaid (died age two)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Princess Onoria Quinnell-Kincaid (-16 May 1089)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lord Michael MacDonald (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Father Judhael IV Michael Richard Jolyon MacDonald- Quinnell (16 August 1085-12 July 1124)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Jason Quinnell-Kincaid (died age one)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Joris Quinnell-Kincaid (died age two)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Princess Jorice Kincaid (1045-August 1045)
. . . . . . . . 3-Joel II Quinnell (died age 2)
. . . . . . . . 3-Jubal Quinnell (died age 6)
. . . . . . . . 3-Judit Quinnell (died age eight)
. . . . . . . . 3-Jorianna Quinnell twin (died age 2)
. . . . . . . . 3-Princess Margrette Quinnell twin (-)
. . . . . . . . +Lord Edward Lucius Ramsay (31 March 1005-17 August 1078)
                  Note: Edward retreated with his family to Cloome to stay away from the uprisings in Meara.
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lord Colin Ramsay (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-lady Alcinda Ramsay (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lady Lucinda Ramsay (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lord Thomas Ramsay (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lord Edgar Ramsay (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lord Samuel Ramsay (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lord Matthew Ramsay (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lord Alexander Ramsay (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lady Laurel Ramsay (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lady Maureen "Sister Hosanna" Ramsay (-)
. . . . . . . . 3-Job II Quinnell (died shortly after birth)
. . . . 2- second wife of Sovereign Prince Jolyon II Justinian Jebediah Quinnell (7 March 970-29 May 1025)
. . . . +Princess Ysylit Haldane (980-12 October 1006)
. . . . . . . . 3-Job Quinnell (Died shortly after birth)
. . . . . . . . 3-Camilla Louise Quinnell (24 January 1000-26 January 1000)
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2017, 10:44:57 pm »
Cassan after 921
Descendant List of Prince Ambert Aboysius Quinnell    : Sovereign Prince of Cassan (909-921)
Signed treaty with King Cinhil I, whereby, upon Ambert's death, the Principality of Cassan would become a Duchy of Gwynedd

(Again, this is raw material from my studies. I chose not to take this list to the 7th and 8th generation as that would triple the number of names.
Laura 18 December 2017)

Index of Names    
1-Prince Ambert Aboysius Quinnell (24 November 853-21 May 921)
+Lady Duvessa Alpina Sinclair (14 February 870-2 October 932)
. . . . 2-Princess Anne Varvara Quinnell of Cassan (3 May 899-28 September 982)
. . . . +Lord Fane Fitz-Arthur (14 December 895-948)
. . . . . . . . 3-Duke Tambert I Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (9 August 918-948)
. . . . . . . . +Duchess Adelicia "Lady of Horthness" von Horthy (8 November 913-17 March 955)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Duke Tammaron Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (29 April 934-994)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Duchess Tiphane Ainslie (932-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Queen Swynbeth Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (12 May 951-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +King Cluim Michael Reginaud Haldane (24 April 953-18 December 994)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-King Urien Owain Rhys Michael Haldane (31 March 974-17 June 1025)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Princess Tiphanelle Haldane (circa 975-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Father Jashan Nygel Ifor Eadwig Haldane (10 July 978-2 September 1055)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Princess Ysylit Haldane (980-12 October 1006)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Prince Michael Rhys "Pirek-Haldane" Haldane (circa 983-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Princess Michaelina Rhyssa Haldane (circa 983-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Lord Fane Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (15 December 952-1016)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Ardana de Courcy (circa 954-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Duke Tambert II Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (circa 970-15 June 1025)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Lady Nerina Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (15 December 952-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Laird Andrew McLain (circa 950-1003)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lord Flynn ""O'Flynn" Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (17 May 936-997)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Margot Murdoch (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Lord Lanark O'Flynn (-1021)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Unknown Wife of Lanark  (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Lord Tamlynn O'Flynn (-1025)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Lord Melish O'Flynn (-1029)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Lord Meyler O'Flynn (-1055)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lady Eldona Fitz-Arthur (circa 938-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lady Annetta Fitz-Arthur (circa 941-)
. . . . . . . . 3-Anne Fitz-Arthur Quinnell Junior (-)
. . . . . . . . +King Owain Javan Cinhil Haldane (29 February 924-948)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Princess Marisa Haldane (-948)
. . . . . . . . 3-Lady Nieve Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (-)
. . . . . . . . 3-Count Eldon Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (circa 893- died age 14)
. . . . . . . . 3-Lady Ophelia Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (-)
. . . . . . . . 3-Lady Duvessine Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (-)
. . . . . . . . 3-Lord Nolan Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (-)
. . . . 2-Princess Devika Quinnell (-)
. . . . 2-Princess Quenelda Quinnell (-)
. . . . 2-Prince Antiochus Quinnell (died age 3)
. . . . 2-Prince Alroy Quinnell (Died at 3 days)


Descendant List of Lord Fane Fitz-Arthur Quinnell    

1-Lord Fane Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (15 December 952-1016)
+Lady Ardana de Courcy (circa 954-)
. . . . 2-Duke Tambert II Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (circa 970-15 June 1025)
. . . . +Unknown "Wife of Tambert II"  (-)
. . . . . . . . 3-Lady Adelicia Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (circa 1004-)
. . . . . . . . +Sir Arnall McLain (18 April 992-1076)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lady Unknown "Daughter of Arnall" McLain (circa 1023-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lady Madonna Lucinda McLain (circa 1025-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Laird Kai III Anthony Morgan (-20 March 1076)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Lady Delphine Morgan (circa 1043-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Sir Kenneth Kai Morgan (7 October 1046-24 September 1100)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Amya Almaris (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Master Kai Kennis Morgan (circa 1068-circa 1071)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Master Kailan Lain Morgan (circa 1070-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Mistress Zoe Bronwyn Morgan (circa 1072-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lord Ahern Cynfyn de Corwyn (1 February 1071-7 June 1089)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Sir Jovett Chandos (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Kailan Peter Chandos (1095-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Charlan Peter Chandos (1096-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Lady Alyce Maria Chandos (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Lady Geill Morgan (circa 1076-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Sir Walter Lithgow (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Lady Alys Lithgow (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Lady Alazais "Zaizie" Morgan (circa 1078-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Sir Llion Farquahar (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Lady Marin Alyce Farquahar (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Alyce Javana Cynfyn de Corwyn de Morgan (2 February 1070-29 December 1095)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Duke Alaric Anthony Morgan (29 September 1091-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Richenda Rayma Anisa FitzEwan (7 April 1099-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Countess Briony Bronwyn "Poppit" Morgan (31 January 1123-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Lord Kelric Alain Morgan (3 May 1125-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Countess Grania Marie Araxelle Morgan (12 April 1129-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Lady Bronwyn Rhetice Morgan (12 December 1095-29 March 1121)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Lady Claara Morgan (circa 1048-1102)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Sir Unknown Winslow (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Unknown "Daughter of Claara" Winslow (circa 1068-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Sir Pazon Fraser (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Clarice Fraser (circa 1094-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Kian Fraser (circa 1089-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lady Nesta McLain (circa 1030-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Duke Andrew Tairchell McLain (1 December 1034-1099)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Jesma McLain (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Duke Jared Douglas McLain (15 September 1064-1 July 1121)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Elaine MacInnis (2 April 1072-25 May 1088)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Lord Kevin Douglas McLain (22 May 1088-29 March 1121)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Vera Howard (2 February 1070-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Lord Duncan Howard McLain (2 February 1092-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Maryse MacArdry (9 March 1091-3 January 1108)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Duke Dhugal Ardry MacArdry McLain (3 January 1108-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Isabet Anna McLain (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Lady Alicia Jesma Isabet McLain (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lady Margaret Neuve (-)
. . . . . . . . 3-Lady Prasanna Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (circa 1010-)
. . . . . . . . +Earl Rhupert Calder (996-20 November 1058)
. . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Lady Cecilia "Sile" Calder (1035-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . +King Malcolm Congal Aidan Julian Haldane (5 September 1008-3 March 1074)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Richard Bearand Rhupert Cinhil Haldane (31 December 1055-11 October 1114)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Princess Sivorn Sorelle Nicee von Horthy (26 January 1087-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Richelle Louise Haldane (11 January 1108-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Lord Brecon Jolyon Jameson Ramsey-Quinnell (12 June 1103-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Lord Richard Albert Jolyon Ramsey (circa 1129-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Araxie Lean Haldane (18 December 1109-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +King Kelson Cinhil Rhys Anthony Haldane (14 November 1106-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Princess Araxandra Louise Sivorn Cecile Haldane (2 June 1129-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Princess Rhuys Jehane Silve Richelle Haldane (2 June 1129-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7-Prince Javan Uthyr Richard Urien Haldane (5 May 1130-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Prince Cinric Sobbon Marcolm Haldane (circa 1111-14 September 1114)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Princess Tamelda Haldane (-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Domnic Haldane (twin died a few days after birth)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Kessoc Haldane (twin died a few days after birth)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Prince Julian Haldane (twin died age 5)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Princess Genese Haldane (twin -)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Princess Herone Haldane (Died at age 6)


Brief Meara/Cassan history.
Sovereign Prince Aldebert Quinnell rulled the principality of Meara from 731-755. Cassan as a duchy did not exist.  Aldebert had two sons: Janus and Armon. Janus became Sovereign prince in 755 but died in 761. He was married to Princess Ostrythe and had a son, Prince Alphonse. Alphonse was just a toddler.

Prince Armon took the Sovereignty from his nephew, which split the loyalties of the people of Meara. Princess Ostrythe escaped with Prince Alphonse into Cassan. Battles ensued. August 6, 770 a treaty was signed where as Meara and Cassan became separate Sovereign monarchies. However one of the treaty statements was that if one family no longer had a male heir the one would revert back to the family that did have a male heir keeping the Quinnell's in power.

Meara was the first to not have a male heir in the year 877 when Prince Alban Quinnell died leaving only a daughter Princess Jorianna, She married a distant cousin, a MacAdam Quinnell and the Mearan line continued until 1025(Killingford) when only the twin princesses Roisian Quinnell and Anniland Quinnell were left as heiresses. You know the story from there. Malcolm Haldane married Roisian and assumed the Mearan rullership, Although the Mearan separatists formed saying Roasian forfeited her rank by marrying the enemy and Anniland was the new Sovereign Prince of Meara. (They do not call her princess of Meara due to the old treaty of no female inheritance.)

Now for Cassan, Prince Ambert Quinnell knew he only had a daughter with no sons. So on September 22, 916 he signed a treaty with King Cinhil I Haldane to give his lands upon his death over to Gwynedd to become a duchy of that kingdom so as to keep Meara from taking over the lands. Therefore in 921 his heiress, Princess Anna, became the duchess of Cassan. She married  Fane Fitz Arthur, the son of Tammoran Firz-Arthur who was one of Gwynedd's Evil regents during the Regency. From then on, their descendants were the Fitz-Arthur Quinnells.

It would become 1025(Killingford again) when there were no male heirs left and the heiress Adelicia Fitz-Arthur Quinnell married Arnall McLain and thereby the family name for the dukes of Cassan changed to McLain.

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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2017, 10:51:08 pm »
Laurna, I modified your first post in the thread, because I spotted what I think was a typo.  You had Prince Rory's and Lady Noelie's first son's first name listed as "Bearabd," when I think it was probably meant to be "Bearand," since that's a name that appears a time or two in the Haldane family, and it's really easy to type a B when you meant to type an N.  ;)

Once again, I'm awed by the amount of work, study, and effort you put into these charts!  YAY new charts!  And thank you.  :D

ETA:  Also, would you like me to update the genealogy master-post links to include this set, or should I not do that yet?
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2017, 11:13:05 pm »
Thank you, Desert Rose for the fix and the review.

Let us keep this separate from Camber's descendant lists. Some of Camber's descendants intertwine in here. However, much of the early lines are not Deryni. Also this is raw material, not yet fully reviewed. 

The Quinnells were a very prolific, dominant family in the Mearan Principality. The women kept their last names Quinnell and added it to their husband's surnames. This leads to a large number of hyphenated surnames. McLain is one of the few instances where the Quinnell name is not added on. Sir Arnall McLain marries Adelicia Fitz-Arthur Quinnell, daughter of Tambert II Fitz-Arthur Quinnell. I am going to presume that this is because Cassan has become a duchy of Gwynedd and is no longer a principality.

Also, if you look hard, you will notice  that there are very few sons who live to be adults and have a family. Most of the descendant lines are through the daughters.

P.S. this is the first time I have looked at this in this format and I am seeing errors. I will have to see if they can be corrected.
P.P.S At least now it is in proper order.
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2017, 01:51:31 am »
*Gasps in awe at Laurna's work and would curtsey, if not lying in bed*.

Thank you.
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2017, 02:13:25 am »
*Gasps in awe at Laurna's work and would curtsey, if not lying in bed*.

Thank you.

LOL!  You asked, so your wish is my command. Is this what you wanted, Revanne? :D Although I have no idea where we can find a Mearan Pretender or other descendant in all of this who wants to cause trouble for Kelson.

I am in hopes that you are healing and feeling better. Being Christmas week, I do hope you are able to do your worthy tasks, without being over worked. Your people are good to you, is my best wishes.

As for these lists, I have been working on this all of this last year. When I was not writing, I was doing this. I purchased an ancestry program "RootsMagic 7" and I have been going through the Codex, page by page, putting in info. That was after I had already put in all the info I had done a few years back. I admit I am not all the way through yet. Therefore some of the Non-Camber descendants might be incomplete. I asked KK about it and showed her some of the final charts. I hope some day she will give the charts a nod to post on the forum, in full.
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2017, 05:55:00 am »
You are truly awesome, Laurna, and amazing!
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2017, 06:18:24 am »
Thank you, Laurna for your good wishes. I am healing slowly but feeling much better.

Mearan pretenders hmmm. The obvious candidates are Richelle and Brecon's son Lord Richard Ramsey or Noelle and Rory's son Prince Bearand Haldane but I really, really don't want to think of either of them as being involved in a traitorous enterprise. Like Evie I'm inclined to see Teymuraz's heirs as being behind this (and Bywn hints as much in his original storyline) but given the clannish nature of Meara there would need to be someone with at least some pretence of a claim to garner any real support.
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2017, 06:57:34 am »
 The Codex only goes up to 1130. There could have been a younger son or even a daughter born since then (a daughter married to an ambitious man, perhaps?) with aspirations to the Mearan throne.  And rebellious children can be born into the best of families...remember Prince Conall?

That said, perhaps there was someone born on the wrong side of the blanket who doesn't show up in the official genealogies, but the locals know their bloodline nonetheless and those who rally behind the Mearan cause are desperate enough to fall behind anyone of the old Mearan royal line.  Perhaps Prince Judhael had an illegitimate child before entering the priesthood, or even afterwards. It happens. He might have wanted to hide that even from Caitrin, but word gets out eventually. (Doesn't it,  Columcil? ;) )
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2017, 07:00:49 am »
Judhael is a thought.
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2017, 10:53:30 am »
Judhael is a thought.

He needn't even have had an actual illegitimate child.  All it would take in the days before paternity testing would be for some woman with Mearan loyalist leanings, preferably one who was romantically involved with Judhael at some point (or was at least close enough to him to plausibly claim to have been), to have fallen pregnant in the right time frame to be able to claim the child was his (if not during his lifetime, then certainly later on) so that the Mearan cause could have an heir apparent to fall back on.  It would be a very tenuous claim, and probably not actually believed by most Mearans, especially those loyal to Kelson, but just plausible enough that Mearan separatists looking for someone to rally around could claim him (or her) as their rightful sovereign.  And with outsiders, perhaps with direction from Teymuraz' heirs, helping to feed the growing unrest in Meara to give Kelson a distraction from any outside threats they are plotting on their own, they'd have some shadowy allies eager to give Mearan separatists a helping hand.  "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," after all.... 
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2017, 11:59:59 am »
Just to clarify for anyone reading this later, this discussion if for the Ghost of the Past story line to determine an antagonist.

So I pulled out all descendants of Prince Armon.  I shall eliminate all of the children from Princess Margrette Quinnell who married Edward Ramsay, and I will eliminate all the children of Queen Roisan who married King Malcolm Haldane. They should all be loyal to King Kelson. That does not leave very many possibilities left. The Haldanes were fairly successful at reducing that family tree to nothing. Two possible illegitimate children come to mind. A son of Father Judhael's MacDonald Quinnell, as suggested above, or a son of Ithel MacArdry Quinnell, as we all know his luscidious traits.

There is also a chance that Sovereign Prince Ithel Quinnell who died in 972, whose first son was Joel Quinnell, may have had a second son or daughter. (The Codex only mentions this Ithel Quinnell in the line of Sovereign Prince of Meara, therefore, we do not have records of his entire family, of which there could be several children.) This second son or surviving daughter's descendants would then consider themselves the legitimate Pretender; as the Haldanes and the Ramsays are considered traitors to Meara

P.S. I slashed second son because Roisian and Annalind were the heiresses, therefore there were no male heirs in the prior generations.
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2017, 12:29:58 pm »
Any of those are possibilities, but if anything, I'd think Ithel would be even more likely than Judhael to have actual, if illegitimate, heirs running about that Mearan separatists would gladly rally behind. Poor Prince Ithel, ruthlessly executed by that despot King Kelson for nothing more than being a loyal son to his mother, the rightful Queen of Meara....
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Re: Prince of Meara Decendents
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2017, 01:05:39 pm »
Any of those are possibilities, but if anything, I'd think Ithel would be even more likely than Judhael to have actual, if illegitimate, heirs running about that Mearan separatists would gladly rally behind. Poor Prince Ithel, ruthlessly executed by that despot King Kelson for nothing more than being a loyal son to his mother, the rightful Queen of Meara....

This is my thinking also: Prince Ithel's illegitimate son would be the same age as Father Columcil. However, unlike our good Father, son of Dhugal, This illegitimate son has revenge on his mind. He has seeked out the legitimate heiress, who is a very distant cousin. The descendant of the daughter of Sovereign Prince Ithel Quinnell. His marriage to this lady has made their children the rightful rulers of Meara and they are preparing to take back what they believe to be theirs from the Haldanes.

Now who is to say, perhaps one of those children( in their early twenties) has married into the Teymuraz' horde.
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