KK Chat -- 3 January 2016 Part 1

[DesertRose]

[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:23:59 PM] Join   KK has joined this channel.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:03 PM] <The_Bee>   Hi KK
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:04 PM] <DesertRose>   Oh, there she is.  Hi KK!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:11 PM] <revanne>   Hi KK
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:18 PM] <KK>   Hello, folks.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:19 PM] <drakensis>   happy new year, KK
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:24 PM] <DesertRose>   Happy New Year!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:25 PM] <Evie>   Hi KK
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:29 PM] <jemler>   hi kk
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:36 PM] <revanne>   Happy new year to you too
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:37 PM] <The_Bee>   We were about to send out a search party for you, KK
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:50 PM] <Evie>   I had just sent you a text. LOL!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:24:58 PM] <jemler>   we'd need a deryni sniffer.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:25:04 PM] <The_Bee>   Happy New Year, KK
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:25:14 PM] <DesertRose>   Apparently the act of sending the text summoned her, without her needing to actually receive said message.  :-D
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:25:17 PM] <KK>   Yep, your text arrived right after I'd appeared in Chat.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:25:40 PM] <KK>   So how is 2016 for you guys so far?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:25:45 PM] <Shiral>   Hi KK and Happy New Year
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:25:50 PM] <Evie>   So far, so good
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:26:00 PM] <Evie>   Have been catching up on sewing.  https://www.flickr.com/gp/9573389@N08/1wxd36
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:26:03 PM] <jemler>   too soon to tell.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:26:06 PM] <The_Bee>   pretty well sor far
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:26:09 PM] <DesertRose>   Quiet for me so far.  I've been fighting a cold since Dec. 30.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:26:15 PM] <DesertRose>   So I haven't done much.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:26:15 PM] <revanne>   Busy, two weddings and a funeral already.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:26:24 PM] <Evie>   And Duncan got a new head mere days before his old one was found.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:26:55 PM] <DesertRose>   How's your 2016 so far, KK?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:27:45 PM] <KK>   Two weddings and a funeral, and it's only the 3rd, Revanne.  Looking busy for the new year!
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[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:28:12 PM] <KK>   And Duncan's head is back on his shoulders, with a spare in waiting.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:28:16 PM] <jemler>   wb bee
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:28:32 PM] Nick   zucchini is now known as The_Bee.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:28:32 PM] <Evie>   wb veggie
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:28:37 PM] <KK>   DR, you boot that cold out of your vicinity!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:28:42 PM] <The_Bee>   ty
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:29:10 PM] <The_Bee>   Which head is Duncan wearing in the pic, Evie?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:29:21 PM] <Evie>   Did you see the photostory about Duncan's reheading, KK?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:29:22 PM] <revanne>   Yes two more weddings and I'd have made a film!
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[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:29:52 PM] <Evie>   I had to order a replacement off ebay, Bee, since he lost his head and needed a new one of the same type
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:29:53 PM] <The_Bee>   Hi Demercia
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:30:03 PM] <Evie>   lol revanne
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:30:03 PM] <Shiral>   Hi Demercia
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:30:08 PM] <Demercia>   Hi Bee and everyone
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:30:15 PM] <Evie>   Hi Demercia
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:30:23 PM] <DesertRose>   Hi Demercia.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:30:42 PM] <revanne>   Hi Demercia
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:31:05 PM] <DesertRose>   I'm trying to get rid of this stupid cold.  It's better than it was.  NYE, I had no voice and attempting to talk was inviting a coughing fit; I can at least talk without coughing and I almost sound like myself when I do talk now (a little nasal but not too bad).
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:31:09 PM] <jemler>   hi demercia
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:32:10 PM] <Demercia>   Hi Jemler
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:32:20 PM] <Evie>   Duncan's Reheading:  http://www.rhemuthcastle.com/index.php/topic,1646.msg14439.html#msg14439
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:32:49 PM] <KK>   Yes, I saw that, Evie.  Cute story.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:33:00 PM] <Demercia>   So what have you done with the spare head?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:34:05 PM] <Evie>   I've not got it back yet, but my retirement celebration will be on the 8th, so will probably get it back then.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:34:47 PM] <Evie>   He's keeping the new head, since the old one is probably hopelessly stretched by being used as a Christmas tree topper by one of the nurses at my former workplace.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:34:47 PM] <Demercia>   Not presented on a salver I hope
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:34:59 PM] <DesertRose>   He's not John the Baptist, and she's not Salome.  :-P
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:35:23 PM] <Evie>   LOL! Let's hope not, though I wouldn't put it past my former colleagues if any of them thinks of putting it on a salver.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:35:24 PM] <revanne>   I think a salver would be nicer than being used as a tree topper if one had to choose
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:35:40 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL, at least the salver wouldn't have stretched out the neck joint.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:36:23 PM] <Evie>   Yes, when I got that photo, I was torn between relief, amusement, and "Nooo, you're stretching the vinyl!!!"
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:36:34 PM] <DesertRose>   Poor Duncan's erstwhile head.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:36:54 PM] <jemler>   brb
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:37:03 PM] <DesertRose>   Between Pandora songs, I heard a strange quiet little noise, and then I realized it was Carys snoring.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:37:19 PM] <Evie>   If it's still in decent shape, it will get a place of honor as the stand-by emergency head.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:37:27 PM] <Evie>   LOL
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:37:48 PM] <DesertRose>   I can't hear it when the music is playing because it's so quiet, but in the few seconds between one song and the next, I can hear this little quiet kitteh-snore.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:37:56 PM] <Demercia>   Yes B does that.  Not so quietly as he has got older
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:38:29 PM] <KK>   I have Gus sitting on my lap and purring.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:38:58 PM] <DesertRose>   Carys isn't much for sitting in my lap per se, but she likes to be on the little end table by my desk when I'm at my desk, which is where she is now, snoring.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:39:50 PM] <DesertRose>   She'll consent to be held and petted for a while, but she'd really rather stand on the end table and be petted.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:40:01 PM] <The_Bee>   Melantha will climb in my lap, but she doesn't like to be picked up and put in my lap.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:40:15 PM] <Demercia>   B is making a cunning attempt to gain sole possession of the hot water bottle
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:40:20 PM] <DesertRose>   Carys will use my lap as a shortcut to the window.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:40:27 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL, silly B.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:40:48 PM] <Shiral>   Yup, if I let the cats come to me, they're much more willing to stay than if I go pick them up and bring them to where I am
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:41:21 PM] <revanne>   Given B's propensity to make puncture holes in things that doesn't bode well for the hot water bottle
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:41:24 PM] <DesertRose>   She does, however, sleep by my feet in the bed at night and she pretty much stays within a few feet to a couple yards of me if I'm home.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:41:31 PM] <DesertRose>   Oh dear, no.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:41:38 PM]     * revanne rubs leg reminiscently
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:41:54 PM] <Demercia>   No it's only legs that he punctures!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:41:58 PM] <Shiral>   That sounds like a future wet pussycat, Demercia
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:42:05 PM] <revanne>   that's all right then!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:42:45 PM] <DesertRose>   I have to take Carys to the vet on Thursday for a booster vaccination.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:42:55 PM] <Demercia>   There is a duvet between him and the hotly, even his claws aren't that long.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:43:02 PM] <DesertRose>   That's going to be an adventure.  She doesn't really like her carrier, and she HATES dogs.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:43:09 PM] <Demercia>   Hotty
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:43:12 PM] <The_Bee>   brb
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:43:20 PM] <revanne>   Poor Carys
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:43:23 PM] <Shiral>   Dmitri has just arrived to wish you all a happy mew year
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:43:32 PM] <Demercia>   How is she with vets?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:43:34 PM] <DesertRose>   When I took her to be spayed and everything, a dog got up in her face and she hissed and threw a fit at the dog.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:43:46 PM] <DesertRose>   She seems to be okay with the vet as long as dogs don't get in her face.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:44:36 PM] <DesertRose>   My theory is that she was once someone's pet and was abandoned before she was taken in by the family from whom I adopted her, and I think maybe she had a bad run-in or two with a dog while she was living rough.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:44:58 PM] <revanne>   Makes sense
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:45:45 PM] <DesertRose>   She was already box-trained when she came to me, and she knew what her scratching pad was for, so that sort of suggests she'd been a pet and not a stray all her life.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:46:33 PM] <DesertRose>   Not that it's all that difficult to box-train a cat.  Even wild/feral cats will generally go in the same place and bury their mess.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:46:44 PM] <revanne>   Poor Cassie (aka the hound of the Baskervilles owing to being large and black) is getting very unsettled as we are beginning to pack up bits and pieces of the house and she knows that something is happening.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:46:55 PM] <DesertRose>   Aw, poor Cassie, indeed.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:47:07 PM] <jemler>   back
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:47:15 PM] <revanne>   And there are foxes in the garden which she hates with a venegeance
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:47:27 PM] <DesertRose>   Oh, I told my mom about your remark about "so much heart, no room for brains" with regard to Cassie (and in our family, Neil and Roxanne), and my mom about fell out laughing.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:47:37 PM] <The_Bee>   MIckey went outside when I came home.  I'm hoping someone let him back in.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:47:44 PM] <DesertRose>   WB, jemler.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:48:11 PM] <DesertRose>   Mom said that that quote fit Neil and Roxie to a T.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:48:32 PM] <revanne>   It's true I fear. She's a lovely dog but very lacking in the brain department.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:48:56 PM] <Evie>   Gilda is at the window trying to play Spot the Squirrels
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:49:17 PM] <Demercia>   Going to say goodnight all.  Early start tomorrow.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:49:25 PM] <jemler>   nite demercia
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:49:30 PM] <Evie>   The backyard squirrels here are very cheeky and love to tease her
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:49:32 PM] <DesertRose>   Yeah, that was true of Neil (mixed-breed dog) and Roxanne (domestic shorthair cat), too.  Neither of them had two brain cells to rub together but were both super sweet.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:49:34 PM] <DesertRose>   Night, Demercia.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:49:36 PM] <Evie>   Goodnight, Demercia
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:49:42 PM] <revanne>   Ok, night
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:49:45 PM] <Shiral>   Night, Demercia
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:49:55 PM] <KK>   Night, Demercia.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:49:57 PM] <The_Bee>   nighters, Demercia
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:50:14 PM] <KK>   Evie, do we know Gilda?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:50:38 PM] <Evie>   Gilda is Vicki's cat. We're still in Tennessee.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:50:56 PM] <KK>   Ah.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:50:58 PM] <Demercia>   Demercia wrests back control of the hot water bottle and waves goodnight.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:51:02 PM] <Evie>   She's the black and white cat who shows up in photos if I am working on things for the littles here
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:51:03 PM] <DesertRose>   
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:52:39 PM] <Evie>   OK, have been cutting up paper towels and think I've made a proper cyclas pattern now.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:52:48 PM] <DesertRose>   Cool.
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[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:53:45 PM] <DesertRose>   Evie, do you still have daylight there?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:53:45 PM] <Shiral>   Now Francesca is here to say Happy New Year
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:53:49 PM] <DesertRose>   It's gone dark here.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:53:51 PM] <DesertRose>   Hi Cesca.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:54:01 PM] <Evie>   It's close to sunset here
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:54:01 PM]     * DesertRose offers scritches to the Cesca-kitty.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:54:13 PM] <The_Bee>   Dark here
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:54:20 PM] <Evie>   There's a little light outside but not much
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:54:22 PM] <KK>   Who's going to wear a cyclas?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:54:23 PM] <Shiral>   Cesca sends purrs, as I'm acting as your Proxy-ear scritcher. =o)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:54:30 PM] <DesertRose>   
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:54:42 PM] <revanne>   It gets dark here by 4pm this time of year which is grim
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:54:44 PM] <Evie>   Helena.  Or Richenda or Araxie, for that matter, since they wear the same size.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:54:53 PM] <DesertRose>   Carys likes a good ear, cheek, or head scritch, sometimes chin too.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:55:09 PM]     * Shiral sends ear scritches back to Carys
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:55:28 PM] <DesertRose>   I'm not going to scritch Carys right this second, though, because she's sawing logs (very quietly).
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:55:43 PM] <DesertRose>   But I will pass on the scritches when she wakes up.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:55:54 PM] <revanne>   Let sleeping kitties lie
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:55:57 PM] <DesertRose>   Yes.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:55:59 PM] <Evie>   I have some pretty russet fabric, KK, but it doesn't have any stretch to it, so I don't want to make something very fitted with it. So that's why I'm considering a cyclas.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:56:00 PM] <Shiral>   It can wait. What a talented kitty to provide you with firewood. =o)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:56:08 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:56:16 PM] <The_Bee>   What's a cyclas?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:56:29 PM] <Evie>   It's a loose fitting medieval over-dress
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:56:48 PM] <Evie>   sleeveless and worn over an underdress with tight sleeves
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:56:50 PM] <The_Bee>   ah
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:57:03 PM] <Evie>   which I've already got
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:57:05 PM] <DesertRose>   I think it might be a fashion predecessor to a sideless surcoat.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:57:13 PM] <Evie>   Yes, it appears that way
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:57:20 PM] <DesertRose>   It seems like it was in fashion before sideless surcoats came into fashion.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:57:24 PM] <The_Bee>   the layered look
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:57:52 PM] <Evie>   Looks like they just kept making those armseyes wider and wider until the priests started dubbing the surcoats the Gates of Hell.  :-D
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:57:58 PM] <DesertRose>   Yup.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:58:05 PM] <revanne>   sounds like it. Just thinking that being loose-fitting it wouldn't suffer from the incursions of the calorie gremlins which shrink my clothes.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:58:14 PM] <Evie>   since they exposed a great deal of shapely body underneath
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:58:27 PM] <DesertRose>   No but the undergown would, because the undergown was quite closely fitted.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:58:32 PM] <drakensis>   or not so shapely presumably
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:58:42 PM] <revanne>   Indeed
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:58:51 PM] <revanne>   
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:59:12 PM] <drakensis>   anyway, I'm back at work tomorrow and I'm yawning (it's not the company, I assure you) so I'll turn in. night
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:59:19 PM] <DesertRose>   Night, drakensis.
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[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:59:30 PM] <jemler>   nite drakensis
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:59:34 PM] <Evie>   The undergown is more fitted, but since the arm openings of the cyclas don't reveal anything but the sleeves, it's a popular look in the SCA for women who don't want to wear the more body-hugging styles
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:59:45 PM] <DesertRose>   True.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [05:59:55 PM] <Evie>   Goodnight Drakensis
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:00:11 PM] <jemler>   evie, i was thinking of something
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:00:16 PM] <DesertRose>   Uh oh.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:00:18 PM] <Shiral>   Night Drakensis
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:00:19 PM] <Evie>   Also it saves me having to fit a dress to Helena's curves, which in 1:6 scale is a right pain sometimes.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:00:26 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL, I can imagine, Evie.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:00:29 PM] <KK>   It's also cooler, because of fewer layers--and access to breezes.  Hard to fit right, though.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:00:29 PM] <revanne>   Although presumably the shape of the undergown could have been adjusted to cope with regular pregnancies
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:01:09 PM] <jemler>   the sca has kingdoms where they are all descended from the west. i was thinking of creating a family tree of all the royal lines.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:01:17 PM] <DesertRose>   Well, that's true enough, revanne.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:01:23 PM] <DesertRose>   Someone may have already done that, jemler.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:01:26 PM] <Evie>   Yes, you could begin the flare right under the bust level and that would make it well suited for a maternity garment
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:01:50 PM] <Evie>   That would be cool
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:02:02 PM] <Evie>   royal family genealogy
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:02:26 PM] <The_Bee>   I've read that Norman styles were much more comfortable than Elizabethan.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:02:32 PM] <jemler>   i have a program that i use for my own family. i'd just use the sME ONE. Family Tree Maker 2005.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:02:47 PM] <DesertRose>   It depends on the weather, Bee.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:02:59 PM] <DesertRose>   Elizabethan is pretty comfy in cold weather.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:03:01 PM] <Evie>   They would have been, although properly fitted Elizabethan isn't as uncomfortable as one might think
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:03:05 PM] <jemler>   i already have some of the names.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:03:08 PM] <DesertRose>   But it can be heavy.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:03:34 PM] <DesertRose>   Norman styles are a little more free-flowing, so they're a little more adaptable to different climates/weather patterns.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:03:37 PM] <Evie>   You might be able to find royal lineages for each kingdom on the individual kingdom websites
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:03:45 PM] <jemler>   that'
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:03:53 PM] <jemler>   s where i got them before.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:03:58 PM] <The_Bee>   The Tudors were the ones who forced women into tight-fitting corsettes.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:04:29 PM] <DesertRose>   A well-fitted corset/bodice is actually fairly comfortable; it'll help hold your back upright and keep you in good posture.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:04:32 PM] <Evie>   They're fitted, but not all that tight.  It's not like wearing a steel boned Victorian corset
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:05:08 PM] <Evie>   I can eat, breathe, dance, and drive a stick shift car in full Elizabethan, although I don't recommend driving in a farthingale. But I've done it.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:05:10 PM] <DesertRose>   Yeah, the Victorian/US Civil War era ones were the really restrictive ones.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:05:53 PM] <Evie>   But even a steel boned one (which I have) can be relatively comfortable if it's fitted properly and if you don't go to extremes with tight-lacing it.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:06:04 PM] <KK>   I need to get a new copy of Family Tree Maker.  Mine was ancient, and didn't make the migration when Cameron wet up my new computer 2 years ago.  I still have all the files, of course; just can't read them right now.  But I entered nearly all the Eleven Kingdoms genealogy.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:06:07 PM] <The_Bee>   There's an old saying that a woman has to suffer to be beautiful.  Whoever said that must have had the Victorians in mind.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:06:13 PM] <DesertRose>   No kidding, Bee. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:06:38 PM] <DesertRose>   Oh, that would be a good thing, KK. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:06:41 PM] <Evie>   Yes, definitely need to retrieve those files then, KK!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:06:42 PM] <Shiral>   Gracious, KK, you need to be able to trace all your royal families!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:06:53 PM] <The_Bee>   Cameron wet your new computer?  isn't he house-trained?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:07:00 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL, Bee.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:07:20 PM] <Evie>   BTW, Laurna worked out a plausible line of descent from Camber to Alaric
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:07:34 PM] <jemler>   thru rhysel?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:07:42 PM] <KK>   I know that Rob did something similar, though he didn't catch all the discrepancies.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:07:43 PM] <DesertRose>   Might not be canon, but it's plausible. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:07:59 PM] <Evie>   Mostly using the Codex and filling in some gaps alluded to in various bits of texts from the books
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:08:16 PM] <KK>   Yeah, Bee, he actually set it up; just my rented fingers acting up tonight.  :-)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:08:34 PM] <DesertRose>   W and S are neighbors on the keyboard.  Easy mistake. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:08:36 PM] <DesertRose>   BRB
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:08:45 PM] <The_Bee>   KK, didn't you say you'd worked out a Camber-Alaric connection while writing The Knighting of Derry?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:09:50 PM] <KK>   I have it in the back of my head, Bee, but I don't think I've ever put that down on paper.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:09:56 PM] <KK>   brb
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:10:03 PM] <revanne>   Think I'll have to leave the UK unrepresented.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:10:08 PM] <revanne>   Night all,
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:10:13 PM] <Shiral>   Night, Revanne
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:10:17 PM] <jemler>   nite revanne
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:10:19 PM] <Evie>   goodnight revanne
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:10:19 PM] <Shiral>   Happy New Year
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:10:26 PM] <The_Bee>   good night, Revanne
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:10:36 PM] Quit   revanne (Mibbit@OWIRCN-5ff9d7d6.as13285.net) has left this server (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:13:07 PM]     * The_Bee drops an anvil.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:13:15 PM] <Evie>   lol
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:13:29 PM] <jemler>   evie, which kingdom are you/
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:13:32 PM] <jemler>   ?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:13:35 PM] <Evie>   Trying to remember if a cyclas was cut longer in back than in the front
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:13:39 PM] <Evie>   I'm in Meridies
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:14:22 PM] <jemler>   the last king/queen i have for there is Seth and Gwendolen
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:15:00 PM] <DesertRose>   Okay, back.  Rats, missed revanne.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:15:29 PM] <Evie>   Let me check if there's a more recent list. I was thinking Adhemar was king again, but maybe he's still Prince.  Do you have Morden and Bridget?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:15:58 PM] <Evie>   Or wait, maybe Bridgit is her mundane name?  Anyway, there should be a King Morden in the past yea
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:16:00 PM] <Evie>   year
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:16:04 PM] <jemler>   i've had this list for like 10 years. it is WAAYY out of date.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:16:26 PM] <Evie>   Oh, OK. Let me see if the Meridien website has a more recent list
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:16:38 PM] <KK>   I'm back.  Just realized that it's dark out, and Scott isn't home yet, so I had to turn on some lights and feed the hounds.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:16:57 PM] <jemler>   i can check all that too. i just started thinking of this the other day.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:16:58 PM] <The_Bee>   Are the king and queen chosen separately or as a couple?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:17:04 PM] <Evie>   http://www.lineage.meridies.org/
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:17:20 PM] <jemler>   as a couple. ritual combat.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:17:29 PM] <Evie>   It's the winner of Crown List and the lady or lord that fighter is fighting for
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:17:37 PM] <Evie>   usually a couple but not always
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:17:57 PM] <Evie>   That is, they're not always married to each other or even dating
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:17:58 PM] <KK>   It's trial by combat, Bee, and the potential sovereign chooses the lady/gentleman to fight for.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:18:14 PM] <DesertRose>   Well, they're not always romantically linked, but they're linked for the reign.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:18:21 PM] <jemler>   Seth and Gwendolen from 2008! really out of date!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:18:32 PM] <Evie>   In Meridies we've not had a female Sovereign yet, though we've had a few who came close to winning the list
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:18:50 PM] <DesertRose>   We haven't yet in Trimaris either, though we've a few lady knights.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:19:23 PM] <jemler>   this will be fun. i'll let you know when it's done.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:20:39 PM] <Evie>   We've had lady knights also
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:21:08 PM] <jemler>   you mean like Lady Gladys and the Pips?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:21:08 PM] <DesertRose>   The lady knight whom I think was our first lady knight is still the kingdom expert on combat archery.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:21:34 PM] <DesertRose>   You do NOT want to be on the opposite side of the field when she's got a bow in her hands.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:21:42 PM] <DesertRose>   She is LETHAL.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:21:54 PM] <Evie>   And the addition of archery and rapier combat has made it easier for women to enjoy the martial arts aspects who didn't want to do heavy fighting, or didn't have the arm strength to do it well
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:22:23 PM] <DesertRose>   Yes.  I did a bit of rapier combat, and I enjoyed it but I just don't have the money or time to invest in everything I want to do.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:22:39 PM] <DesertRose>   So rapier fell by the wayside while I go for more art-sci type pursuits.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:23:24 PM] <DesertRose>   I didn't want to do heavy combat because my knees started crapping out on me when I was a teenager, long years before I ever heard of the SCA.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:23:30 PM] <Evie>   I considered combat archery several years ago, though with the propensity I had to get nosebleeds at the drop of a hat when I was younger, I wouldn't have been able to do much heavy fighting even if I'd had the arm strength. I'd have been off the field more than on, stopping nosebleeds.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:23:43 PM] <DesertRose>   That's got to be aggravating.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:24:12 PM] <KK>   Wow, lots of different crowns.  Do Meridean kings do personal crowns, or am I just seeing natural evolution?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:24:44 PM] <Evie>   Natural evolution as some of the older ones wore out or got damaged and had to be replaced
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:25:12 PM] <The_Bee>   If the current sovereign is a queen regnant, is her partner a king consort, or a prince consort like PrincePhilip?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:25:29 PM] <DesertRose>   You know, I'm not sure.  It hasn't arisen in Trimaris yet.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:25:36 PM] <Evie>   Also, I think now our King and Queen have more than one set to choose from, so some may prefer one set and others may prefer another.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:26:20 PM] <Evie>   I'm not sure, Bee, since that hasn't happened here either.  Might check Ansteorra's website, since I know they've had at least one Queen Regnant
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:26:47 PM] <Evie>   They may just bypass the question by styling them Sovereign and Consort
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:26:48 PM] <DesertRose>   Shiral, Carys woke up, so I conducted the scritches to her head and ears.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:26:50 PM] <KK>   It hasn't happened very often, Bee, and not before I left Caid in 1986, but I <think> they might just be called Consort.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:27:36 PM] <The_Bee>   That makes sense.  Two Sovereigns Regnant would be confusing.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:27:45 PM] <DesertRose>   It might depend on the preference of the sovereigns in question, too.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:28:05 PM] <KK>   I know they had a Princess Regnant in the West, and the Consort was a Duke in his own right; got a kick out of having teas and such, as Consorts had always done before.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:28:14 PM] <DesertRose>   There are a fair few things that can be dependent upon how the sovereign wants to do things.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:28:21 PM] <Evie>   We're a rather informal lot around here.  He might just end up as "Dude who's sleeping with Her Maj."  ;-)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:28:27 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:28:49 PM] <Shiral>   BRB, Pygmy Lions say they're hungry
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:29:13 PM] <The_Bee>   whether or not they're married/lovers in the mundane world?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:29:35 PM] <DesertRose>   About to say, sometimes they're not actually sleeping together. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:29:41 PM] <Evie>   LOL!  Joke, Bee. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:30:10 PM] <KK>   Quite often they're not sleeping together.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:30:30 PM] <The_Bee>   just sharing adjacent thrones?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:30:35 PM] <DesertRose>   The king whose coronation was my first event back and his queen were not romantically linked, but neither of their mundane spouses play and they're good friends of many years.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:30:40 PM] <Evie>   Jemler, if you're making a list, i think Adhemar is about to be King again, though I don't recall who his Queen is this time. I don't think it's Sorcha.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:31:18 PM] <jemler>   i haven't started on the West yet. I'm going to do the ENTIRE line.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:31:44 PM] <KK>   I wonder, has a gay man ever won a crown?  (I wonder if it says in the bylaws that a potential consort has to be of the opposite sex)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:32:12 PM] <DesertRose>   It depends on the kingdom.  Trimaris recently changed kingdom bylaws so that one can fight for a same-gender consort.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:34:21 PM] <NavaWazr>    great question
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:34:40 PM] <DesertRose>   In last fall's crown tournament, we had a male knight fighting for a male consort, although they weren't romantic partners.  It was more a respect thing, because the consort is one of the original Trimarians and his health is starting to fail, and the knight was trying to see if he could win crown for him.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:35:13 PM] <Evie>   One of my friends, a lady squire, once fought for my late Laurel, and they joked that if she won Crown List, he would be Queen of Meridies.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:35:23 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:35:37 PM] <The_Bee>   How are the kingdom's names chosen? e.g. is Trimaris near 3 seas?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:35:50 PM] <DesertRose>   It's surrounded on three sides by water, yes.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:36:06 PM] <The_Bee>   Where is it?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:36:13 PM] <KK>   That's interesting.  It was bound to happen, I suppose--though it doesn't really reflect the traditional notion of chivalry and courtly love and such.  In Caid, though, we had a Baron who was gay, and his Baroness was a lovely older lady who ordinarily would not have had the opportunity to wear a coronet.  They were both very, very good at their jobs. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:36:23 PM] <DesertRose>   Trimaris has the Atlantic Ocean on one side, the Gulf of Mexico on another and the Caribbean Sea to the south.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:36:24 PM] <jemler>   trimaris is florida, atlantic, caribbean, gulf of mexico
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:36:37 PM] <The_Bee>   ah, thanks
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:36:42 PM] <DesertRose>   Most of Florida, except for the part of Florida that's in Central time.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:36:57 PM] Join   Aerlys (~ae18c7ed@OWIRCN-1bdd9d77.org) has joined this channel.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:36:58 PM] <KK>   DR, that's very noble.  I think potential consorts of whatever gender could serve in that capacity.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:37:04 PM] <DesertRose>   Hi Aerlys.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:37:19 PM] <Aerlys>   Hi. JUST now remembered it was early chat!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:37:25 PM] <The_Bee>   Hi, Aerlys.  Is the little one napping?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:37:36 PM] <DesertRose>   No worries, Aerlys, we're still here, though we've lost the UK contingent to bedtime.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:37:38 PM] <Evie>   Hi Aerlys
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:37:40 PM] <jemler>   hi aerlys
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:37:48 PM] <KK>   Hi, Aerlys.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:38:13 PM] <Evie>   Meridies was chosen because it's one (of several?) Latin word for South
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:38:39 PM] <Aerlys>   Rhys says "Urgl" (pretty sure that means "hi")
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:38:39 PM] <DesertRose>   Latin is almost as bad as English for having multiple words for concepts. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:38:43 PM] <DesertRose>   Hi Rhys.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:38:55 PM] <Evie>   Also with connotations of "southward" or "noon/midday", IIRC
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:38:56 PM] <DesertRose>   Not really, with regards to Latin.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:39:02 PM] <The_Bee>   Urgl, Rhys
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:39:25 PM] <KK>   Caid was formed of 4 baronies: Califia, Angels, Isles, and Drachenwald.  And Caid also means citadel or fortress in Arabic.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:39:40 PM] <Evie>   Urgl, High Ruler of Aerlys' Household
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:39:45 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:39:47 PM] <Aerlys>   lol
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:39:56 PM] <jemler>   i thought drachenwald was in europe?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:40:10 PM] <Evie>   It is
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:40:17 PM] <KK>   Sorry, Dreiburgen.  (It's been a while.)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:40:33 PM] <DesertRose>   Most of the kingdoms (except West) were once part of other kingdoms.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:41:02 PM] <Evie>   Ah. I figured it might be like Lochac, which I think was associated with Kingdom of the West, at least for a while, despite being Australia and that part of the world
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:41:02 PM] <Shiral>   Back
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:41:02 PM] <KK>   When I first joined, there were only 4.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:41:21 PM] <DesertRose>   Now I think there are something close to 30.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:41:29 PM] <jemler>   west, east, middle, and atenveldt.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:41:32 PM] <KK>   West, East, Middle, and Atenwelt.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:41:51 PM] <KK>   (Great minds, Jemler. :-)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:42:03 PM] <Evie>   Our shire painted a Known World map for a wall hanging recently, but by the time we finished outlining it, it was already out of date.  :-D
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:42:09 PM] <DesertRose>   
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:42:39 PM] Join   Jerusha (Mibbit@4FC299.2DD460.2C3BC8.894233) has joined this channel.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:42:45 PM] <The_Bee>   Hi Jerusha
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:42:53 PM] <jemler>   i've been looking into this for years. Atanielle Annyn Noel gave me the address of Duchesse Ithriliel.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:42:53 PM] <DesertRose>   Someone in Trimaris keeps trying to keep an updated map of the shires, baronies, and cantons, but that seems to be a losing battle.  I shudder to think of trying to keep up with the entire Known World.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:42:56 PM] <DesertRose>   Hi Jerusha.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:42:58 PM] <KK>   Hi, Jerusha.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:43:03 PM] <Jerusha>   Hi Everyone! Sorry to be late.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:43:15 PM] <Shiral>   hi jerusha
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:43:22 PM] <Evie>   The barony I started in, Iron Mountain, was a barony already before it joined the SCA.  We had to wait for the SCA to start up in our area to join.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:44:11 PM] <Evie>   We just did Kingdom borders, DR, but even at that level, I think a new Kingdom was created before we finished the map
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:44:24 PM] <Jerusha>   There were baronies before SCA?  (Not sure what the plural of Barony is)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:44:52 PM] <DesertRose>   Glenn Abhann (sp?) maybe?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:44:52 PM] <The_Bee>   Is there a website that explains the SCA structure?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:45:00 PM] <DesertRose>   sca.org might.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:45:21 PM] <The_Bee>   thanks, DR
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:45:33 PM] <Evie>   This barony started off as a similar kind of organizatioin but on the local level, and when they found out about the SCA, they joined it, but they existed prior to the SCA being in central Alabama
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:45:45 PM] <Jerusha>   Neat
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:45:47 PM] <DesertRose>   I didn't know that about Iron Mountain.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:46:03 PM] <DesertRose>   I used to play with An Dun Theine when I lived briefly in Huntsville.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:47:05 PM] <Evie>   No, Glenn Abhainn (or however it's spelled) used to be Western Meridies.  I was Baroness of Iron Mountain when Glenn Abhainn became a Principality. One of our cantons ended up in Glenn Abhainn, and they had to decide if they wanted to remain our canton or become a shire.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:47:25 PM] <DesertRose>   Ah, okay.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:47:36 PM] <Jerusha>   Sounds complicated
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:47:56 PM] <KK>   (You have no idea.)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:48:06 PM] <DesertRose>   It can be, certainly, but it can be fun too. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:48:37 PM] <The_Bee>   I just got a rather disturbing e-mail linking me to this site: https://www.change.org/p/don-t-force-our-children-to-skin-cats?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=482510&alert_id=xWFOemGsct_S7h63ZFg35dddRPZRApecwQ8nDf%2FBFECYQNdRK00PBezrZyiFdPB%2F8x5vwDbn%2FnO
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:48:54 PM] <Jerusha>   Best not go there
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:02 PM] <DesertRose>   Yeah, I wouldn't follow that link.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:12 PM] <KK>   What ws it attache to?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:12 PM] Join   Annie (Mibbit@BF1DC3.3B1D79.0E23C3.EA0EFB) has joined this channel.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:15 PM] <DesertRose>   Hi Annie.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:17 PM] <Jerusha>   Hi Annie
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:21 PM] <KK>   Hi, Annie.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:25 PM] <Annie>   Hiya
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:31 PM] <The_Bee>   Hi Annie. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:32 PM] <Annie>   Am I late?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:44 PM] <Annie>   Crowd's all here already.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:47 PM] <jemler>   nah.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:52 PM] <Evie>   Yes, IIRC (this was before my time), our founding baron in Iron Mountain was the late Hank Reinhart, also known as the founder of Museum Replicas and the husband of the publisher of Baen Books
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:49:53 PM] <Jerusha>   Welcome
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:50:00 PM] <Evie>   hi Annie
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:50:01 PM] <DesertRose>   No.  It's just first Sunday.  We've started doing chat early on first Sundays (two hours earlier than usual).
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:50:11 PM] <DesertRose>   Oh, wow, Evie.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:50:12 PM] <Annie>   Ack
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:50:17 PM] <The_Bee>   Jerusha and DR, do you know anything about the people who run that site?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:50:21 PM] <KK>   Oh, wow, Hank was your first baron?  Cool!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:50:21 PM] <Annie>   I forgot it was first Sunday.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:50:26 PM] <Jerusha>   Not me
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:50:37 PM] <DesertRose>   No, but it seems creepy and I wouldn't follow a link from a random email.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:50:48 PM] <Jerusha>   I just avoid anything that skins cats
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:51:02 PM] <jemler>   change.org lets you sign petitions to try to change things. i get a olt of them too.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:51:10 PM] <Jerusha>   Except when I try to play the oboe
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:51:38 PM] <Evie>   Hank was gone before I came to Iron Mountain, but I met him once or twice. I think he might have been at my Investiture, and he was definitely at the Investiture of our successors
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:51:52 PM] <The_Bee>   It's a petition to ban schools from making students dissect cats.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:51:58 PM] <Shiral>   Hi Annie and Aerlys
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:52:07 PM] <DesertRose>   Ew, Bee.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:52:49 PM] <The_Bee>   No, they're trying to PROTECT cats.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:52:49 PM] <Jerusha>   I remember from my high school days the biology students carting around very stiff cats
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:52:59 PM] <Aerlys>   Hi Shiral and Annie. Rhys says "Urgl."
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:53:07 PM] <Jerusha>   Hi Rhys!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:53:15 PM] <DesertRose>   Oh.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:53:17 PM] <Shiral>   Talented lad. =o)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:53:36 PM] <Annie>   It was frogs over here in my day.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:53:41 PM] <Annie>   Or rats.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:53:57 PM] <Jerusha>   Kind of hard to dissect slugs and learn much
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:54:07 PM] <DesertRose>   It was a pig fetus in my high school days, but I got out of it by having bronchitis that week and having an extra grade due to some other project.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:54:10 PM] <Aerlys>   My biology teacher had a mole in a jar
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:54:24 PM] <NavaWazr>   have a great night and a great new year everyone, I need to get going
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:54:28 PM] <DesertRose>   Night, NavaWazr.
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[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:54:39 PM] <Jerusha>   Night NavaWazr
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:54:42 PM] <Aerlys>   We dissected worms, too
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:54:44 PM] <Evie>   I had to dissect frogs, starfish, and pig fetus, but thankfully never a cat
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:54:46 PM] <Shiral>   Pig fetus here, too. It cured me of any desire to ever dissect any other formerly living thing for life
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:54:54 PM] <Evie>   goodnight, Nava
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:55:07 PM] <Jerusha>   I opted for geology instead
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:55:08 PM] <Evie>   oh yes, worms also
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:55:24 PM] <DesertRose>   Yeah, up until 9th grade biology, I thought I wanted to go into medicine, then I got grossed out.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:55:26 PM] <Jerusha>   Chipping rocks was less traumatic
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:55:30 PM] <The_Bee>   At least humans can give consent to have their corpses dissected if they so choose.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:55:32 PM] <DesertRose>   I can imagine, Jerusha.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:55:34 PM] <DesertRose>   True, Bee.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:55:39 PM] <Evie>   I wanted to be a vet at the time, so I figured it was necessary learning if not much fun
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:56:09 PM] <jemler>   i took biology in high school.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:56:42 PM] <DesertRose>   My biology teacher decided that since I had that extra grade, she'd just substitute that for my dissection grade rather than making me stay after school every day for a week to make up the dissection lab.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:56:49 PM] <KK>   We had to dissect cats in comparative anatomy, when I was at university.  The cats had been euthanized anyway, so at least they wet for something useful, to eductae students.  But I made sure not to get one that was colored anything like my cats.  It's not like they kill the cats in order to get the bodies.  And they're already prepared with blue and red
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:56:58 PM] <DesertRose>   Saved her and me a lot of aggravation.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:57:01 PM] <KK>   latex injected into the veins and arteries.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:57:23 PM] <Jerusha>   Still ew
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:57:40 PM] <DesertRose>   Right, but I've kept so many pet cats over the years that I don't know I could avoid running across one that looked like a (former) pet.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:57:41 PM] <Annie>   They stopped doing dissections in schools for many years, but I think they have do do one for A level now. A pig heart or some such.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:58:14 PM] <jemler>   i'll send over rush limbaugh, they can do him.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:58:39 PM] <DesertRose>   jemler!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:58:49 PM] <KK>   I wasn't eager to dissect a cat, but I was eager to learn.  Didn't bother me when we dissected human cadavers in medical school, either.  Fascinating.  And there was a great deal of respect for the people who had donated their bodies.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:59:04 PM] <Annie>   They've restarted because unis were complaining that youngsters were starting there with insufficient experience in lab work.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:59:24 PM] <DesertRose>   I can see that, Annie.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:59:55 PM] <Jerusha>   I respect the need to learn, but am not sure I could do it well (dissection, that is)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [06:59:58 PM] <KK>   What we didn't know at the time was that we should have really been gloved.  We got right in there with our bare hands.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:00:05 PM] <Evie>   DS used to love beef jerky, but after working on human cadavers he can't eat beef jerky anymore.  Apparently there's too much resemblance between that and an old cadaver
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:00:05 PM] <DesertRose>   Somehow I think I'd have less of a problem dissecting a human cadaver knowing that they'd made the decision in life to donate their body.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:00:32 PM] <Jerusha>   Am off beef jerky now
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:00:42 PM] <KK>   When did DS work on human cadavers, Evie?!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:00:47 PM] <DesertRose>   Never was a fan of beef jerky anyway, too salty.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:00:50 PM] <Jerusha>   Not that I ever liked it
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:01:00 PM] <Evie>   In Pre-Nursing classes.  Anatomy would be my guess.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:01:29 PM] <Evie>   He's starting Nursing School this term
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:01:32 PM] <Jerusha>   Wow - would not have thought that
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:01:48 PM] <DesertRose>   I took A&P I and didn't mess with cadavers.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:01:50 PM] <The_Bee>   There was an exhibit in Boston last year, using donors' bodies to demonstrate human anatomy and physiology.  I forget what it was called.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:01:51 PM] <KK>   The color isn't anywhere near similar.  That wouldn't put me off jerky.  And pre-nursing--of course.  I'd forgotten.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:02:02 PM] <Jerusha>   Is he going for nurse practicioner eventually?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:02:05 PM] <DesertRose>   We had preserved human bones that we handled, but no cadavers.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:02:35 PM] <Evie>   UAB is a teaching hospital as well as a university, so even undergraduates get to do a lot of shadowing and hands-on learning
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:02:46 PM] <Jerusha>   Very good
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:02:53 PM] <DesertRose>   Well, that's true.  I took it at a community college, so that may be the difference.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:04:32 PM] <Evie>   He'd like to eventually be a nurse practitioner or a nurse anesthetist
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:04:59 PM] <Jerusha>   Both would be good, I would say
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[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:07 PM] <DesertRose>   CRNAs make pretty good money, or so I hear.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:13 PM] <DesertRose>   Oh, we lost Shiral.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:15 PM] Join   Shiral (~Shiral@OWIRCN-e6adf1cc.ca.comcast.net) has joined this channel.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:18 PM] <Jerusha>   Bye Shiral?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:20 PM] <DesertRose>   Ah, rehi Shiral.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:20 PM] <Aerlys>   BRB Rhys is not a happy camper
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:22 PM] <The_Bee>   rehi shiral
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:23 PM] <Jerusha>   WB
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:25 PM] <DesertRose>   OH dear, Aerlys.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:36 PM] <Jerusha>   Give him a hug for us
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:39 PM] Quit   Shiral (~Shiral@OWIRCN-e6adf1cc.ca.comcast.net) has left this server (Quit: ).
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:43 PM] <Evie>   OK, take care of His Royal Infancy
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:05:48 PM] <DesertRose>   Shiral's client is not being nice.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:06:29 PM] <Jerusha>   Bad mibbit
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:06:35 PM] <DesertRose>   I don't think she's on Mibbit.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:06:41 PM] Join   Shiral (~Shiral@OWIRCN-e6adf1cc.ca.comcast.net) has joined this channel.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:06:49 PM] <DesertRose>   Re-rehi Shiral?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:06:54 PM] <Shiral>   Back. Hate it when I close the wrong window
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:06:57 PM] <DesertRose>   Ah, okay.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:07:00 PM] <The_Bee>   If we were theclients, maybe Mibbit would be nicer to us.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:07:02 PM] <Jerusha>   Jerusha passes Shiral sticky tape to stay in chat
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:07:10 PM] <DesertRose>   I thought maybe your client was being uncooperative.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:07:16 PM] <Shiral>   Lost connectivity for a minute, yes
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:07:19 PM] <DesertRose>   Ah.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:08:02 PM] <Shiral>   But I think I can bear missing out on conversation about dissection. =o) I know, I'd never make it as a student Healer at St. Neot's.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:08:07 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:08:17 PM] <Evie>   LOL
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:08:18 PM] <Jerusha>   Nor me
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:09:03 PM] <Evie>   Helena looks like she's volunteering for dissection at the moment, but she's just being fitted for a gown
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:09:12 PM] <Shiral>   I had a fourth grade teacher who dissected some poor dead creature that got run over near his house, once. I was so grossed out, the only thing I learned was that I really hated dissection
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:09:19 PM] <Jerusha>   Her hands are still attached?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:09:23 PM] <DesertRose>   Ew.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:09:26 PM] <Evie>   yes
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:09:47 PM] <Shiral>   So I was unthrilled to have to do dissection in HS biology.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:09:48 PM] <Evie>   I only take them off to get her arms into tight sleeves.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:09:48 PM] <Jerusha>   Did you get Duncan's original head back, Evie?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:10:06 PM] <DesertRose>   The smell of formaldehyde gives me a headache, too, so I wouldn't have made a good medical student anyway.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:10:07 PM] <The_Bee>   I took one semester of biology; then I switched to geology for my science requirement.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:10:12 PM] <Evie>   Not yet, but I will get it back when I go back to campus for my retirement party
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:10:31 PM] <Jerusha>   There's a party?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:10:42 PM] <KK>   I should also point out that dissecting a prepared specimen, like the cats in comparative anatomy or even human cadavers, is quite different from dissecting something recently dead.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:10:49 PM] <Evie>   Yes, my official retirement reception will be on the 8th
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:11:09 PM] <DesertRose>   I wanted to take astronomy for my college science requirement but at the time I was a psychology major and they required biology, chemistry, or physics.  I took biology for some silly reason.  Probably ought to have taken chem just to say I'd done it at least once.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:11:09 PM] <Jerusha>   Are you going as a flamingo?  (sorry could not resist)
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:11:10 PM] <Annie>   I only remember dissecting a worm and a sprat.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:11:23 PM] <Evie>   LOL, Jerusha!  :-P
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:11:44 PM] <DesertRose>   Either I should have taken chemistry or I should have changed my major then. 
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:12:38 PM] <Jerusha>   I took astronomy, but kept falling asleep when they turned the lights out for the observatory display
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:12:48 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL, Jerusha.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:13:09 PM] <Jerusha>   It was a 4:00 in the afternoon class
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:13:27 PM] <jemler>   they didn't serve tea?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:13:28 PM] <The_Bee>   It's been years since I was able to see the stars. cities have to many lights.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:13:29 PM] <DesertRose>   I really don't know why I couldn't have astronomy as my science requirement with the psych major, but the psych department was weird on a number of levels.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:14:13 PM] <Jerusha>   The seats tilted back and it got dark
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:14:20 PM] <DesertRose>   Too relaxing?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:14:24 PM] <Jerusha>   zzzzz
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:14:27 PM] <DesertRose>   LOL
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:15:10 PM] <Evie>   LOL
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:15:20 PM]     * jemler streaks thru the room
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:15:21 PM] <DesertRose>   Bee, that's DD's complaint about the area around my parents' house getting built up; all of a sudden there are streetlights where there weren't any before, and she's got all this light pollution to deal with when she wants to break out the telescope.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:15:26 PM] <DesertRose>   jemler!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:15:52 PM] <jemler>   how'd you recognize me?
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:15:52 PM] <Jerusha>   Awake now!
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:16:04 PM] <Aerlys>   full moon alert
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:16:10 PM] <DesertRose>   The area where my parents' house is used to be quite rural and there didn't used to be many houses out there so not many streetlights.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:16:21 PM]     * DesertRose sings a stupid Ray Stevens song.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:16:28 PM] <Aerlys>   lol
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:16:33 PM] <KK>   They probably wanted you to have a class that required some lab work.  That's hard in astronomy, especially at the beginners' level.
[Sunday, January 03, 2016] [07:16:40 PM] <Jerusha>   Jerusha hums along