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KK Chat -- 6 November 2016
« on: November 06, 2016, 05:40:21 pm »
Nov 06 17:08:21 *   KK has joined
Nov 06 17:08:25 <Jemler>   hi kk
Nov 06 17:08:26 <DesertRose>   Hi KK~
Nov 06 17:08:27 <Evie>   Hi KK
Nov 06 17:08:27 *   Shiral hands DR a cup of soothing ginger tea
Nov 06 17:08:28 <drakensis>   hi
Nov 06 17:08:29 <The_Bee>   Melantha's feeding time is whenever she feels like waking me up.
Nov 06 17:08:31 <Shiral>   Hello Katherine
Nov 06 17:08:32 <The_Bee>   Hi KK
Nov 06 17:08:34 <DesertRose>   The ~ was meant to be !
Nov 06 17:08:45 <Demercia>   Hi KK
Nov 06 17:08:48 <DesertRose>   But I'm too tired/sick to type correctly, evidently.
Nov 06 17:09:03 *   BalanceTheEnergies (Mibbit@83BF1D.5474AF.0EED19.9C444F) has joined
Nov 06 17:09:07 <DesertRose>   Hi BalanceTheEnergies
Nov 06 17:09:08 <KK>   Hello, all you people who got an extra hour of sleep this morning.  (And those in the UK who didn't.)
Nov 06 17:09:09 <Jemler>   hi bye
Nov 06 17:09:15 <Shiral>   Hi BTE
Nov 06 17:09:23 <Jemler>   hi bte
Nov 06 17:09:31 <The_Bee>   hi BTE
Nov 06 17:09:35 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hello one and all.
Nov 06 17:09:41 <Demercia>   Hi
Nov 06 17:09:46 <KK>   What's the problem, DR?
Nov 06 17:09:51 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Have I missed much?
Nov 06 17:09:58 <Evie>   It must be chat time, the cats just showed up
Nov 06 17:10:03 <Jemler>   kk just arrived
Nov 06 17:10:04 <KK>   I just got here, BTE.
Nov 06 17:10:05 <drakensis>   got to enjoy that hour last week, which got my bodyclock back on time
Nov 06 17:10:40 <Shiral>   I very  much enjoyed the extra hour of sleep this morning
Nov 06 17:10:58 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good. My chat window has a bunch of "Could not resolve your host name" messages. Wondered if something was wrong
Nov 06 17:11:02 <drakensis>   very glad my sleep cycle wasn't messed up going into Nanowrimo
Nov 06 17:11:04 <DesertRose>   I spent Tuesday night in the ER with chest pain that transpired to be pneumonia, Thursday morning my sinuses decided to join in (which might just be fall allergies but is a masterpiece of bad timing), Friday my IBS started flaring (which is probably related to the antibiotic treatment for the pneumonia), and for four nights running I haven't gotten decent sleep.
Nov 06 17:11:31 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Ooof
Nov 06 17:11:43 <Jemler>   i would have too,if our dog could only tell time. unfortunately, she's not a watch dog! :)
Nov 06 17:11:49 <The_Bee>   Yike!  Hand in there, DR
Nov 06 17:11:55 <KK>   You poor thing!  I think my mother is also coming down with pneumonia again; must take her to the doctor in the AM.
Nov 06 17:12:00 <DesertRose>   I'm kind of at the point of screaming at the heavens, "CUT ME SOME [BLEEPING] SLACK HERE, WILL YA?!?"
Nov 06 17:12:06 <Shiral>   I'd feel pretty testy myself under those circumstances, DR
Nov 06 17:12:29 <Jemler>   great artoo-detoo impression there, DR! :)
Nov 06 17:12:34 <DesertRose>   LOL
Nov 06 17:13:07 <KK>   Are you eating yogurt, to counteract the effects of the antibiotic--or taking probiotic capsules?  And there are some antibiotics that I just can't take; they tear up my digestive tract.
Nov 06 17:13:43 <DesertRose>   Oh, and the boy who stalked my daughter in high school (like six or seven years ago), who she thought she'd gotten rid of at least five years ago, added her on Snapchat Friday night, so I'm also in this Mama-Bear, I'mma-rip-your-arms-off-and-beat-you-to-death-with-them in his direction.
Nov 06 17:13:46 <KK>   I am so sorry for you, DR.
Nov 06 17:14:21 <KK>   Ouch, you didn't need that right now.  Didn't need it at any time, but especially not now.
Nov 06 17:14:21 <Evie>   Is there a way to block someone on Snapchat?
Nov 06 17:14:30 <The_Bee>   really bad guy?
Nov 06 17:14:31 <DesertRose>   Yup, I eat a banana with peanut butter (the banana is to keep my potassium level up so I don't get charley horses) and then I eat a cup of yogurt and Carys gets to lick what's left in the cup.
Nov 06 17:14:48 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Tech-enabled stalking. Great. Can anything be done, or no?
Nov 06 17:14:49 <KK>   That sounds good.
Nov 06 17:15:04 <KK>   And the banana with peanut butter is also very good for you.
Nov 06 17:15:07 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I understand the police don't often get involved in cyberstalking a.
Nov 06 17:15:20 <DesertRose>   Well, he never posed much of a physical threat since he lives on the complete other end of our large city and has a sufficiently severe visual impairment that he can't drive, but still.  It made her feel angry, unsafe, powerless, and a lot of other bad things.
Nov 06 17:15:24 <BalanceTheEnergies>   SRY at all.
Nov 06 17:15:33 <KK>   My mother is convinced that if she doesn't eat a banana a day, she'll come down with terminal leg cramps.
Nov 06 17:16:04 <Jemler>   how did he know her dr?
Nov 06 17:16:35 <DesertRose>   I don't know.  What got him to back off when they were still in high school was my parents threatening to get the cops involved, because he was calling her cell phone and the house phone, texting her, stalking her on Facebook, when she blocked him on Facebook, he friended all her friends trying to get to her through them...
Nov 06 17:16:39 <Shiral>   I eat a baked potato now and then to get the potassium. Can't stand bananas!
Nov 06 17:16:54 <DesertRose>   They were classmates.  DD went to the magnet high school for the arts, so the students there came from all over the city.
Nov 06 17:16:56 <drakensis>   I tried eating a banana each day. lasted about a month
Nov 06 17:17:01 <drakensis>   couldn't keep them down by the end
Nov 06 17:17:25 <DesertRose>   I like bananas, so my peanut-butter-and-banana-and-cup-of-yogurt breakfast routine is fine by me.
Nov 06 17:18:01 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I'm with you on the bananas Shirla, even the aroma makes me nauseous. As for the stalker, hopefully vigilance will be sufficient, but it's worrisome all the same.
Nov 06 17:18:02 <DesertRose>   But this started when they were like 16 or 17.  DD is TWENTY-FREAKING-FOUR, so this boy should be around in that age range as well.
Nov 06 17:18:15 <DesertRose>   WHAT PART OF GO THE F AWAY DOES HE NOT GET?!?!
Nov 06 17:18:18 <KK>   My mom eats them on cereal; her every day lunch.
Nov 06 17:18:20 <The_Bee>   I make strawberry banana shakes in my blender.
Nov 06 17:18:31 <DesertRose>   Excuse my implied swear word there.
Nov 06 17:18:38 <Jemler>   tell DD to buy a taser.
Nov 06 17:19:09 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hard to say DR. He may be perverse enough to enjoy that reaction.
Nov 06 17:19:14 <Shiral>   Entirely understandable in the circumstances, DR
Nov 06 17:19:14 <DesertRose>   I don't know if there's a block function on Snapchat.  I have an account myself but barely use it.
Nov 06 17:19:49 <Demercia>   Sorry all, my brain is saying chat but my body is saying sleep so I'm going to check out.  I noticed  Revanne disappeared when I showed up, expect she'll come back the minute I go😉
Nov 06 17:19:59 <Demercia>   Goodnight all
Nov 06 17:19:59 <Jemler>   i only use facebook. no twitter, pinterest, or other social app.
Nov 06 17:20:08 <Jemler>   nite demercia.
Nov 06 17:20:12 <The_Bee>   nighters,Demercia
Nov 06 17:20:14 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I don't even use FB
Nov 06 17:20:16 <Evie>   Goodnight Demercia
Nov 06 17:20:21 <DesertRose>   DD is on a weekend road trip with her bestie and some other friends, and she informed me of this development via Facebook chat, and her first line was "I might commit murder."
Nov 06 17:20:22 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good night Demercia
Nov 06 17:20:22 <DesertRose>   Night Demercia
Nov 06 17:20:40 <KK>   Goodnight, Demercia.
Nov 06 17:20:54 <drakensis>   night Demercia
Nov 06 17:20:54 <Shiral>   Night, Demercia
Nov 06 17:21:05 <Jemler>   not murder. terminate with extreme prejudice.
Nov 06 17:21:17 <KK>   I like that even better, Jemler.
Nov 06 17:21:27 <DesertRose>   Well, when I asked why and she told me, my response was, "I think that might qualify as justifiable homicide."
Nov 06 17:21:40 *   Demercia has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
Nov 06 17:21:53 <BalanceTheEnergies>   It might indeed, in the right circs.
Nov 06 17:22:26 *   revanne (Mibbit@842092.C19ECF.3A0E88.042185) has joined
Nov 06 17:22:35 <Jemler>   hi revanne
Nov 06 17:22:40 <Shiral>   Can she cancel her Snapchat account and then sign up with a new one?
Nov 06 17:22:45 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Oh wow, she called it. Hi Revanne.
Nov 06 17:22:45 <Evie>   I wonder if it's possible to get a restraining order for cyberstalking?
Nov 06 17:22:46 <Shiral>   Hi Revanne
Nov 06 17:23:02 <Evie>   Hi! Demercia just left
Nov 06 17:23:06 <DesertRose>   I'll say this, if he's stupid enough to find a way to go to my parents' house (where DD lives) to try to get to her, my stepdad is apt to put a .38 caliber through his 10-ring, and given Florida's castle doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws, I doubt he'd see much more than the inside of the police station to give his side of the story.
Nov 06 17:23:09 <DesertRose>   Hi revanne
Nov 06 17:23:14 <Evie>   And predicted you'd show up just after she left.:-D
Nov 06 17:23:21 <The_Bee>   Hi Revanne! Demercia said you'd show up as soon as  she left, and here you are.
Nov 06 17:23:26 <Shiral>   WB, Revanne
Nov 06 17:23:35 <revanne>   Oops evil twin cloning time again.
Nov 06 17:23:39 <DesertRose>   I don't know, re: restraining order, but I expect DD is going to look into it when she's back in this county.
Nov 06 17:24:00 <DesertRose>   The second he in my last sentence being my stepdad.
Nov 06 17:24:34 <BalanceTheEnergies>   It might be, Evie, but there's caveats. Sock puppetry and other dodges are easily done, and sometimes police are reluctant to consider anything that happens online as serious. Perhaps they've bought into the idea of "virtual reality"?
Nov 06 17:24:45 <The_Bee>   Has this guy threatened actual physical violence?
Nov 06 17:24:52 <DesertRose>   My stepdad is an Army veteran with marksmanship medals (Master certification IIRC) and a concealed carry permit.  You really do not want to invade his house with ill intent toward his family members.
Nov 06 17:25:03 <DesertRose>   No.  I'm just saying, if he does, he may not live to regret that stupid idea.
Nov 06 17:26:05 <revanne>   How is your DD reacting.
Nov 06 17:26:48 <Evie>   Police are starting to take cyberstalking and other cyber crimes more seriously now that there've been enough tragedies as a result of it to bring the problem to public attention
Nov 06 17:27:51 <BalanceTheEnergies>   True, Evie, and there are laws against it in some jurisdictions.
Nov 06 17:28:19 <revanne>   Sadly it usually takes a tragedy or things to be taken seriously. 
Nov 06 17:28:23 <Evie>   The problem is that the laws to address the problems have been slow to be created, and so it was hard to find a legal reason to charge someone if there weren't laws on the books stating that something was criminal (rather than just annoying) in the first place. But now such laws are becoming more commonplace
Nov 06 17:29:18 <DesertRose>   Last I checked, incensed just begins to described it.
Nov 06 17:29:27 <Evie>   Unfortunately it usually takes several situations going pear shaped before changes are voted into law
Nov 06 17:29:57 <BalanceTheEnergies>   There's also the problem of Internet access being so vital to people (in some quarters it's considered a human right) that sanctions against a cyber stalker can be difficult to implement.
Nov 06 17:30:18 <DesertRose>   The other problem is police and the courts are historically not real great about crimes against women (particularly crimes like stalking where "he's not doing anything!").
Nov 06 17:30:31 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Sadly, that's also true DR
Nov 06 17:31:12 <KK>   I wonder, do they also ignore similar stalking threats against men?
Nov 06 17:31:17 <Evie>   Fortunately, with more women joining the police force and court system, even that is changing, but maybe not as quickly as would be optimal
Nov 06 17:32:02 <DesertRose>   And I have a bad feeling that if DD goes to the police about this and they do take her seriously and show up on Stalker Dude's doorstep to have a little chat with him, he's apt to play the "I'm just a poor blind man so in luuuuuurrrrrve with this mean girl who won't just give me a chaaaaaaaance" card, and they might believe him.
Nov 06 17:32:38 <drakensis>   on the other hand, if she doesn't go to the police, they'll definitely not do anything
Nov 06 17:32:43 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Perhaps men are told to "man up" and shrug it off? I think men can also be victimized by poisonous cultural beliefs.
Nov 06 17:33:05 <Evie>   To take a crime (or even a non-criminal annoyance) seriously, you have to recognize it as a crime (or at least as something serious) first, and some folks just don't get it.  :(
Nov 06 17:33:12 <DesertRose>   Never mind that, because my parents are weird and have literally had the same mobile phone carrier for over twenty years, she has access to the mobile records of where he was calling and texting over and over and over again after she'd told him she didn't want to have contact with him anymore.
Nov 06 17:33:12 <The_Bee>   The police might want to know what he's actually done.
Nov 06 17:33:22 <KK>   Believe him?  Believe that it's unrequited love?  Yeah.  Deal with it.  She has rights!
Nov 06 17:34:13 <Shiral>   Isn't it anxious making enough to have  a guy following you around and wants you to KNOW he's following you around? I would personally HATE that feeling
Nov 06 17:34:26 <KK>   He's harrassing her.
Nov 06 17:34:28 <DesertRose>   The thing is, she "dated" him (at school, basically) for about two weeks eight years ago.  He got super attached and possessive which gave her the creeps so she broke up with him, which was when he turned all stalker-central, and he STILL can't let it drop?
Nov 06 17:34:32 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Quite so. There's a reason that the song "Every Breath You Take" isn't so popular as it once was.
Nov 06 17:34:49 <DesertRose>   Sting himself said he wrote that song to illustrate unhealthy obsession.
Nov 06 17:34:56 <DesertRose>   He never meant it to be romantic.
Nov 06 17:35:36 <Evie>   And if you ever hear it in a minor key, it comes across as even more creepy-obsessive than the original version.
Nov 06 17:35:52 <DesertRose>   I've heard that information but haven't listened to the minor-key version of the song.
Nov 06 17:36:01 <Evie>   It's on YouTube
Nov 06 17:36:20 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Yes, he was apt to do characters in his stuff. These days, though, it seems like there are people who think giving it airplay is tantamount to approval 9though it needn't be, of course).
Nov 06 17:37:02 <DesertRose>   drakensis, yeah, during our FB messenger conversation Friday evening, I told her I thought it was time to contact the local constabulary and have them cordially invite him to [bleep] all the way off, up to and including if necessary accommodations in their lovely county jail facility.
Nov 06 17:38:00 <DesertRose>   Fortunately, my mother is the Queen of Documentation and it would not surprise me if SHE has somewhere the records of Stalker Dude's past behavior.
Nov 06 17:38:03 <drakensis>   wow, that really is a creepy version of the song
Nov 06 17:38:03 <BalanceTheEnergies>   At the very least, there would be a record of her complaint in their files, so they can't say they didn't know. Doesn't that put the onus on the police to investigate?
Nov 06 17:38:19 <Jemler>   remember the program called Scared Straight?
Nov 06 17:38:40 <The_Bee>   Yes
Nov 06 17:38:48 <DesertRose>   Yeah.  I'm inclined to have her at least file a complaint of harassment/stalking/whatever is applicable so that there's at least a paper trail.
Nov 06 17:38:53 <BalanceTheEnergies>   The one where the juveniles were brought to meet prisoners?
Nov 06 17:39:10 <revanne>   Even from his point of view jail might be a better option than turnng up at your parents house and annoying your step-dad.
Nov 06 17:39:10 <Evie>   And document every one of his attempts to contact her in writing
Nov 06 17:39:32 <Jemler>   yes. introduce this guy to a real prison. ask him how he likes his accomodations.
Nov 06 17:39:42 <DesertRose>   If he turns up at the house, that might be the last mistake he ever makes.  Bill might be an ageing man with a lot of medical issues, but I expect he can still shoot straight.
Nov 06 17:39:51 <Jemler>   brb. dinner.
Nov 06 17:40:47 <DesertRose>   But I think DD is still several counties south of here anyway, so nothing's going to get done about it until she's back home, which I think is supposed to be either later tonight or tomorrow.
Nov 06 17:41:05 *   Kelric (~IceChat78@32F4F9.AFCB16.CAC8DB.A93869) has joined
Nov 06 17:41:12 <drakensis>   hi kalric
Nov 06 17:41:13 <DesertRose>   Hi Kelric
Nov 06 17:41:14 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hello Kelric
Nov 06 17:41:16 <The_Bee>   hhi kelric
Nov 06 17:41:16 <drakensis>   *kelric
Nov 06 17:41:19 <Shiral>   Hello Kelric
Nov 06 17:41:24 <revanne>   Hi
Nov 06 17:41:32 <Evie>   hi kelric
Nov 06 17:41:42 <drakensis>   (can't type straight on a proper keyboard. spent too much time typing on my laptop and notebook this week)
Nov 06 17:42:00 <KK>   Hello, Kelric.
Nov 06 17:43:13 <Evie>   My miniature bathroom sink arrived this week, so the dollhouse bathroom is nearly complete
Nov 06 17:43:47 <DesertRose>   Yay for the modern Mini-Deryni having complete proper facilities!
Nov 06 17:43:51 <The_Bee>   Does it have a shower?
Nov 06 17:44:10 <Evie>   And I"ve started a Templar surcoat, both in memory of a knight our Kingdom lost this week who had a Templar persona, and also because I'm reading The Temple and the Stone at the moment
Nov 06 17:44:19 <Shiral>   We wouldn't want them to suffer from inadequate tiny dentistry
Nov 06 17:44:19 <Evie>   It has a bathtub, Bee
Nov 06 17:44:29 <Evie>   Old fashioned claw-foot sort of tub
Nov 06 17:44:37 <revanne>   Other than when the roof leaks, that is.
Nov 06 17:45:18 <Evie>   LOL, or it might shower when you lift the toilet lid, since I'm using a prank toilet
Nov 06 17:45:38 <BalanceTheEnergies>   :D
Nov 06 17:45:42 <Evie>   It was a better size than the actual Barbie toilets, and a Sindy toilet would cost more to ship from the UK than one is worth
Nov 06 17:45:44 <DesertRose>   Evie, I don't know if you saw it, but someone in the Trimaris FB group commented to your post for Sir Richard that I shared, simply, "Perfect!"
Nov 06 17:46:02 <Evie>   Yes, I didn't know who it was, but I figured it might be a Trimarian
Nov 06 17:46:12 <DesertRose>   Yeah, I think so too, but not someone I know well.
Nov 06 17:46:46 <Evie>   His lady also shared the poem, so I got several comments from people I don't know
Nov 06 17:46:54 <DesertRose>   :)
Nov 06 17:46:58 <The_Bee>   Who are the Trimarians?
Nov 06 17:47:10 <DesertRose>   I didn't even think about it, but I shared it on Word Fame Wednesday.
Nov 06 17:47:16 <Evie>   The kingdom south of mine that encompasses most of Florida
Nov 06 17:47:47 <DesertRose>   Trimaris is the SCA kingdom that is comprised of most of Florida (basically, Florida except the little bit of the Panhandle that's in Central time zone).
Nov 06 17:48:02 <DesertRose>   Trimarians are people in the SCA in Trimaris.
Nov 06 17:48:07 <Evie>   Yes, that part of Florida is ours
Nov 06 17:48:11 <DesertRose>   Yup
Nov 06 17:48:54 <The_Bee>   You're in the Central Time Zone, Evie?
Nov 06 17:48:59 <Jemler>   Trimaris. Bordered by three seas. Atlantic, Caribbean, and the Gulf of Mexico.
Nov 06 17:49:05 <DesertRose>   BRB, I had to set a new pitcher of tea to brewing, and now I need to fix it all up.
Nov 06 17:49:31 <Evie>   I am, Bee
Nov 06 17:50:07 *   Shiral slaps forehead, then snaps fingers and provides a table of mulled cider and fresh baked gingerbread
Nov 06 17:50:10 <KK>   Ah, I didn't realize that was the derivation for the name.
Nov 06 17:50:25 <revanne>   Brain very slow tonight just got the point Jemler.
Nov 06 17:50:47 <KK>   Sort of like Caid: for Califia, Angels, Isles, and Drachenwald.
Nov 06 17:51:11 <The_Bee>   Where is that, KK?
Nov 06 17:51:40 <Jemler>   Caid is around San Diego.
Nov 06 17:52:00 <The_Bee>   ok, thanks
Nov 06 17:52:11 <revanne>   T would work for Britain oo although the eas are somewhat colder: Irish sea, North sea and English Channel.
Nov 06 17:52:35 <Jemler>   i've wanted to join the SCA for years. but didn't have transportation.
Nov 06 17:52:52 <KK>   Caid is the lower half of California.
Nov 06 17:52:54 <revanne>   Not sure how t and oo got separated there.
Nov 06 17:53:22 <Jemler>   i think it was the spacrbar.
Nov 06 17:53:47 <Shiral>   The spacebar gets up to all kinds of trouble if you don't keep a sharp eye on it
Nov 06 17:54:07 <BalanceTheEnergies>   The arrow keys can also cause mischief
Nov 06 17:54:31 <revanne>   Too true although autocorrect is even worse.
Nov 06 17:55:03 <BalanceTheEnergies>   No kidding. Most of my troubles come from autocorrect
Nov 06 17:55:06 <Shiral>   Rented fingers cause the most problems
Nov 06 17:55:32 <Jemler>   i agree on autocorrect. it can be a multifacet!
Nov 06 17:55:32 <DesertRose>   DYAC
Nov 06 17:55:36 <Shiral>   KK, have you ever had a typo in your books that made you laugh?
Nov 06 17:55:40 <DesertRose>   ROFL, Jemler
Nov 06 17:55:56 <BalanceTheEnergies>   :)
Nov 06 17:56:07 <KK>   Oh, yes.
Nov 06 17:56:45 <The_Bee>   can you think of an example?
Nov 06 17:56:48 <DesertRose>   We had one on the forums this week; I posted a prayer request for myself regarding the pneumonia, and Jerusha replied with good thoughts but commented that she'd almost typed "good thugs."
Nov 06 17:56:49 <Shiral>   One of my favorite things about National Novel Writing Month is the Nanoisms thread
Nov 06 17:57:17 <The_Bee>   ?
Nov 06 17:57:19 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Nanoisms?
Nov 06 17:57:21 <KK>   Can't think of any offhand, Bee, but I know there have been some doozies.
Nov 06 17:57:29 <Shiral>   One recent one was "he held a chisel in one hand and curved his free hand into a fish."
Nov 06 17:57:43 <DesertRose>   So I replied with something along the lines of "Now I have a mental image of the antibiotics as big burly dudes with clubs beating the pneumonia bacteria to death."
Nov 06 17:57:48 <Jemler>   i found a missing word in TKD. When Llion told Alaric about his mother; he called her a 'common woman. Very like the one younder. i think it was 'very much like'.
Nov 06 17:57:56 <Shiral>   They're hilarious typos that can change the meaning of a sentence, BTE
Nov 06 17:58:00 <The_Bee>   did any make it into the published versions?
Nov 06 17:58:19 <Shiral>   There's a whole thread on the Nano discussion forums dedicated to them every year. They're hilarious
Nov 06 17:58:20 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Ta Shiral.
Nov 06 17:58:23 <Evie>   Annie had a good one in chat once when she described Brion Haldane and his finely trimmed bears
Nov 06 17:58:38 <KK>   No, very like is what I meant to say.  I think it may be a Britishism tht I picked up while living in Ireland.
Nov 06 17:58:39 <Shiral>   LOL
Nov 06 17:59:00 <BalanceTheEnergies>   :)
Nov 06 17:59:08 <Jemler>   oh, ok.
Nov 06 17:59:08 <KK>   Not that I'm aware of, Bee.  Those usually get caught in the proofreading.
Nov 06 17:59:28 <Shiral>   We had no idea Brion had bears of any sort!
Nov 06 17:59:35 <Shiral>   =o)
Nov 06 17:59:44 <The_Bee>   Polonius to Hamlet: "Very like a whale."
Nov 06 17:59:46 <revanne>   Very like would work as a britishism
Nov 06 17:59:49 <Evie>   Much less trimmed bears
Nov 06 17:59:55 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Perhaps a royal menagerie?
Nov 06 18:00:04 <drakensis>   do they dance?
Nov 06 18:00:09 <Shiral>   Well, if you're a royal bear, you'd better be tidy, and not shaggy
Nov 06 18:00:47 <DesertRose>   Came back to a tabby seat thief
Nov 06 18:01:04 <Shiral>   There's a Queen's Zoo in Beldour, so a royal menagerie would not be out of the question. Seems to me that Brion was a horse and dog sort of man, though
Nov 06 18:01:07 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Been there, done that DR
Nov 06 18:01:08 <revanne>   Hi Carys
Nov 06 18:01:18 <Shiral>   "If you want the best seat in the house, move the cat."
Nov 06 18:01:44 <DesertRose>   Of course.  I did her the courtesy of getting out of the seat I'd so generously warmed with my backside, so of course she'd curl up in it.
Nov 06 18:01:59 <drakensis>   "Where does the 500 lb gorilla sit? Wherever the cat lets it."
Nov 06 18:02:03 <DesertRose>   LOL
Nov 06 18:02:03 <revanne>   Our dog has that problem but the cats just outstare her.
Nov 06 18:02:25 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Isn't that part of your job DR? I think Wimsey thinks it's part of mine.
Nov 06 18:02:29 <DesertRose>   Yup
Nov 06 18:02:30 <Shiral>   That's what Dmitri does when I get up from my comfy TV chair to use the facilities or make tea. I come back and he gives me this innocent "What's the problem?" look when I find him in my chair
Nov 06 18:02:32 <Evie>   LOL, drakensis!
Nov 06 18:02:58 <Shiral>   Not even gorillas mess with the cat
Nov 06 18:03:09 <KK>   Too true.
Nov 06 18:03:26 <DesertRose>   It's part of the cat-human contract.  She provides me company, laughter, affection, someone to pet when I'm feeling anxious, and someone to cuddle, and I provide food, clean water, toys, a clean litter box, a lap, and warm chairs/other places to curl up.
Nov 06 18:03:37 <Shiral>   Tati was all over me when she and I were watching TV in the livingroom last night
Nov 06 18:03:41 <drakensis>   so is anyone else doing Nanowrimo this year? I'm trying to write something original for once, rather than fanfiction
Nov 06 18:04:03 <Shiral>   We're just heated, padded food dispensers, DR. =o)
Nov 06 18:04:11 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I have the same deal DR, but Wimsey also assumes the duty of furry alarm clock. :)
Nov 06 18:04:14 <DesertRose>   I've never won NaNo; I've tried it in the past, but I just don't have the mental bandwidth this year to even consider it.
Nov 06 18:04:15 <revanne>   Going to call it a night -drove a round trip of 350 miles yesterday so am still recovering.
Nov 06 18:04:36 <Shiral>   I'm not writing one this year, but I am in charge of hosting weekly write-ins at my library on WEdnesday nights, this month
Nov 06 18:04:37 <Evie>   Some of you had asked to see this year's Halloween costume, so here it is: https://www.flickr.com/gp/9573389@N08/JtV558
Nov 06 18:04:40 <DesertRose>   Okay, revanne, get some rest.  I BANISH the insomnimonster!  May he darken not your doorstep tonight or any other night.
Nov 06 18:04:41 <The_Bee>   nighters, revanne. glad you came
Nov 06 18:04:47 <Evie>   I was a plastic bath loofah
Nov 06 18:04:52 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good night Revanne
Nov 06 18:04:53 <Jemler>   nite revanne
Nov 06 18:05:01 <revanne>   Thanks DR
Nov 06 18:05:04 <DesertRose>   :)
Nov 06 18:05:05 <Shiral>   I've done Nano before, and I know I can get to 50K, I just have no ideas or motivation for it this year
Nov 06 18:05:09 <Shiral>   Night Revanne
Nov 06 18:05:16 <Evie>   Be careful, drakensis; NaNoWriMo is what turned AnnieUK into a novelist.  ;-)
Nov 06 18:05:16 <revanne>   Night all.
Nov 06 18:05:23 <drakensis>   sleep well Revanne
Nov 06 18:05:30 <drakensis>   heh
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Nov 06 18:05:32 <Shiral>   Sleep well, Revanne!
Nov 06 18:05:36 <Shiral>   Oops, missed her
Nov 06 18:05:59 <drakensis>   well, I'm not specifically opposed to publishing but I'd need to be better first
Nov 06 18:06:20 <DesertRose>   I can probably write 50K words of the same story, and I can probably even do it in 30 days, but I've never managed it in November.
Nov 06 18:06:37 <Shiral>   The best way to think of your Nanonovel is as a VERY rough draft. But with that, it will still be 50K words more than you had on October 31
Nov 06 18:06:45 <drakensis>   certainly true
Nov 06 18:06:51 <DesertRose>   I wonder if I have seasonal affective disorder that's never been diagnosed, because I almost always have at least a slight mood downturn this time of year.
Nov 06 18:07:01 <Evie>   Could well be, DR
Nov 06 18:07:06 <drakensis>   quite possibly more than 50K. although I'm not trying for any ambitious length this year
Nov 06 18:07:13 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I've not done that contest, but I did send my mother some stuff about some fanfic ideas for a certain Canadian TV show. I called her (in part since her beloved Cubs won the Series), and she rather likes it, thinks I should send it to the show runners.
Nov 06 18:07:17 <DesertRose>   And I mean, I live in Florida.  How much sunshine could I possibly be missing? :P
Nov 06 18:07:40 <Shiral>   Sometimes, we have to lower standard and let go of our inhibitions and just go for that daily word count. It can get you unstuck, even if the quality of the writing is....weird. =o)
Nov 06 18:08:28 <drakensis>   I do feel it's helped my writing over the years. first to write more length. then to finish stories and finally to finish writing _on schedule_. well, sometimes
Nov 06 18:08:31 <Shiral>   I don't think I have SAD, but I probably would if I lived in Finland, say
Nov 06 18:08:51 <DesertRose>   I'm sorry I missed the final game of the World Series.  I had no skin in this year's WS (being an Arizona native, my team is the D'backs--yes, I know, it's been years since they did anything of note), but I hear tell that Game 7 was a good one!
Nov 06 18:09:08 <Shiral>   As Anne Lammott says, feel free to write (Terrible) first drafts. That's what first drafts are for.
Nov 06 18:09:09 <Evie>   NaNo, as I understand it, is a way to get your ideas on paper (or screen) in a rough way and taking the pressure off yourself to edit as you go, since you can't keep up that pace required if you are futzing over every scene as you go. No worries if it's utter crap, but hopefully there will be a gem of an idea in there that can become publishable with a lot of after-NaNo polishing and rewriting.
Nov 06 18:09:26 <Shiral>   It
Nov 06 18:09:56 <Shiral>   is that, and a way to say "Hey, I made the goal! I didn't think I could!" The satisfaction in that is very real.
Nov 06 18:10:05 <DesertRose>   Shiral, I've seen that sentiment as, "In order to make good stuff, you have to be willing to let yourself make crap, then moderately less crappy crap, then okay stuff and so on and so on up until you're actually making good stuff."
Nov 06 18:10:17 <Shiral>   As for quality....well, if can laugh at yourself, you'll have an endless source of amusement
Nov 06 18:10:35 <The_Bee>   I have Cubs fans in my extended family.
Nov 06 18:10:41 <DesertRose>   The Missing Beatitude: "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
Nov 06 18:10:43 <Shiral>   Yes. In other words, "Fail, fail, fail better, Fail better"
Nov 06 18:11:02 <Evie>   I used to be active in a group that wasn't specifically for writers, but there were a lot of amateur writers in the group (it was actually for SF/Fantasy fans), so we had regular writing challenges where we had to write to a prompt or including certain elements, and that was helpful for me
Nov 06 18:11:43 <Shiral>   Have the very human and practical attitude that if you're learning a new skill, you can give yourself the exhilerating permission to be bad at it, at first.
Nov 06 18:11:46 <DesertRose>   That might be mild blasphemy, but somehow I don't think Jesus would mind.
Nov 06 18:12:54 <Evie>   Given that he used humor in his parables, I can't imagine he would. :-)
Nov 06 18:12:56 <Shiral>   Well, the pygmy lions are circling and looking at me accusingly. I'd better feed 'em. BRB
Nov 06 18:13:06 <DesertRose>   Uh oh, hungry house tigers!
Nov 06 18:13:18 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Can't have that.
Nov 06 18:13:24 <Jemler>   Rum Tum Tiger?
Nov 06 18:13:31 <DesertRose>   Yeah, Jesus always struck me in the scriptures as having a pretty lively sense of humor.  :)
Nov 06 18:14:39 <Jemler>   except for the part where he says 'any father who loves his son more than he loves me is not worthy of me'.
Nov 06 18:14:46 <DesertRose>   I call Carys my house tiger since she's a tabby, although not orange.  More black striped with this color that depending on the light is either gray, brown, or tan.
Nov 06 18:14:56 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Well, Bee, my mother has been a fan for many years. She said she watched all the games and took notes. She has a bottle of red wine for extended celebrations and is in search of more wearables.
Nov 06 18:15:32 <Evie>   Trying to see if I took a photo of the new sink. Here's the tiny soap and soap dish I made:  https://www.flickr.com/gp/9573389@N08/98VT0k
Nov 06 18:16:29 <Evie>   That's an example of hyperbole, jemler (exaggeration for effect) and is commonly used as a way of emphasizing a point
Nov 06 18:16:58 <KK>   Nice bath accessories.
Nov 06 18:17:23 <Evie>   Ah, here we go!  https://www.flickr.com/gp/9573389@N08/F5q41p
Nov 06 18:17:56 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Nice! I like the sink too.
Nov 06 18:18:13 <Evie>   It's actually a paper clip holder.  It came with a set of paper clips.  :-D
Nov 06 18:18:21 <drakensis>   it all looks very realistic
Nov 06 18:18:24 <Shiral>   And I'm back, no longer typing through 8 furry legs
Nov 06 18:18:38 <Evie>   The spigot is magnetic, not that I have any reason to hang paper clips from it in the bathroom.  :-D
Nov 06 18:18:40 <KK>   Oh, nice sink, indeed.  The toilet would be a little awkward in use, but we get the idea.
Nov 06 18:19:13 <KK>   It was a paper clip holder?!
Nov 06 18:19:26 <Evie>   The sink is, yes
Nov 06 18:19:28 <Shiral>   It's my first year in possession of an orange kitty, although Tati is more like a creamsicle kitten
Nov 06 18:19:54 <Evie>   The toilet squirts water when you open the lid, or at least it does if filled with water, so I haven't filled it.
Nov 06 18:20:00 <KK>   Now, why would someone want a paperclip holder in the shape of a sink>  TO hold paperclips in the bathroom?  But, why?
Nov 06 18:20:09 <Evie>   Just as a novelty item
Nov 06 18:20:24 <Evie>   Why would someone want a squirting toilet?  :-D
Nov 06 18:20:51 <Jemler>   what?! a toilet that shoots back?!
Nov 06 18:21:06 <Evie>   The "soap" is actually made from leftover wax from an altar candle
Nov 06 18:21:06 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Sounds like a bidet
Nov 06 18:21:41 <Evie>   LOL, yes Jemler, and yes BTE, when I first got it I was joking about the toilet doubling as a bidet!
Nov 06 18:21:46 <DesertRose>   Or one of those toilet/bidet hybrid things
Nov 06 18:22:02 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Exactly.
Nov 06 18:22:04 <KK>   Must be Japanese.  They are very into toilet humor, for some reason.
Nov 06 18:22:09 <DesertRose>   LOL
Nov 06 18:22:29 <Evie>   Maybe they have toilet/bidet hybrids in modern Gwynedd, but we'll never know, since I won't be filling the toilet and risking my dollhouse wallpaper!
Nov 06 18:22:30 <BalanceTheEnergies>   They're very into toilets generally. I think they have design awards and such.
Nov 06 18:22:48 <DesertRose>   Indoor plumbing is a very nice invention.
Nov 06 18:22:57 <BalanceTheEnergies>   It is that DR.
Nov 06 18:23:04 <DesertRose>   One of the better ideas of the last few hundred years, IMO.
Nov 06 18:24:12 <DesertRose>   Or rediscoveries.
Nov 06 18:24:17 <Jemler>   i don't know. i think that when alexander graham bell invented the busy signal ...
Nov 06 18:24:32 <DesertRose>   It seems like wealthier Romans had it in certain parts of imperial Roman times.
Nov 06 18:24:33 <Evie>   Revived from the Elizabethan toilet that didn't catch on (but really existed)
Nov 06 18:24:46 <Shiral>   https://www.flickr.com/photos/36290993@N03/30789211536/in/album-72157672594202093/ This is my most recently created project
Nov 06 18:25:14 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I've seen Mary Beard in amongst Roman public toilets.
Nov 06 18:25:19 <DesertRose>   Shiral, that wants me to sign in, and I don't remember my Flickr account, never mind PW.
Nov 06 18:25:20 <Evie>   I got a 404 Not Found message
Nov 06 18:25:25 <KK>   Link doesn't work.
Nov 06 18:26:22 <DesertRose>   BalanceTheEnergies, have you seen the Roman graffiti?  The more things change...
Nov 06 18:26:51 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I've heard about it on Lexicon Valley.
Nov 06 18:27:06 <DesertRose>   There's some preserved at Pompeii with some truly juvenile sexual/scatological humor.
Nov 06 18:27:21 <Shiral>   https://www.flickr.com/photos/36290993@N03/30789211536/in/album-72157672594202093/
Nov 06 18:27:26 <The_Bee>   I was asked to log in.
Nov 06 18:27:39 <DesertRose>   Yeah, still wants a login Shiral
Nov 06 18:28:03 <Evie>   I'm logged in and I still can't see it
Nov 06 18:28:08 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Oh yes, that podcast had an interview with an author who wrote a book about such things entitled Holy S***t
Nov 06 18:28:15 <DesertRose>   LOL
Nov 06 18:28:31 <Evie>   Luke is on both my arms now
Nov 06 18:29:10 <DesertRose>   My point was, the ridiculous junk people write on bathroom walls apparently doesn't change, even over a couple thousand years.
Nov 06 18:29:23 <BalanceTheEnergies>   You can find the podcast http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2013/06/lexicon_valley_on_profanity_and_obscenity_with_holy_shit_a_brief_history.html
Nov 06 18:29:37 <BalanceTheEnergies>   And you point is well taken.
Nov 06 18:29:59 <DesertRose>   Saved it to my Stuff to Watch or Read file of Bookmarks.  :)
Nov 06 18:31:11 <BalanceTheEnergies>   That one is from a few years back, I think. Last few times I've listened, there was a different host, but it's still a going concern.
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Nov 06 18:31:35 <DesertRose>   Oh, I bet.  There's no end of things to discuss about language, if you really want to keep going.
Nov 06 18:31:38 *   Shiral2 (~Shiral@OWIRCN-e6adf1cc.ca.comcast.net) has joined
Nov 06 18:31:53 <Shiral2>   Ha ha! I'm back as Shiral's Evil Twin!
Nov 06 18:32:00 <drakensis>   time for me to turn in I think. have a good night everyone
Nov 06 18:32:08 *   Shiral2 is now known as Shiral
Nov 06 18:32:10 <BalanceTheEnergies>   There's also a blog at Slate.
Nov 06 18:32:14 *   drakensis has quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)
Nov 06 18:32:17 <Evie>   Goodnight drakensis
Nov 06 18:32:18 <Jemler>   nite drakensis
Nov 06 18:32:29 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good night drakensis
Nov 06 18:32:35 <DesertRose>   I recently saw a post online that was basically a couple of paragraphs of how English would read today if there'd never been any French, Latin, or Greek influence, if it had remained a Germanic language with a few Celtic loanwords.
Nov 06 18:32:38 <Shiral>   We missed Drakensis
Nov 06 18:32:44 <DesertRose>   Drakensis left in a hurry but he always does.
Nov 06 18:33:26 <DesertRose>   There was some discussion of how a lot of the Latin and French was imposed by invaders (and thus also the Greek), but it was still interesting.
Nov 06 18:33:42 <Shiral>   Trying again my google photos albums. https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipMgOEJag4NXOy0APENr5OOz904uruojwu8D1Ao/photo/AF1QipMOY4KJXa4ezDwYTorIH_bPE2InIH0PE4M1t1o?key=CPvwisStx5Hr7wE
Nov 06 18:33:45 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I think I saw a video on YouTube about that.
Nov 06 18:34:10 <DesertRose>   Shiral, I think, speaking of language, I'm about to elicit some not-nice variety from you.  404 not found error.
Nov 06 18:34:25 <Evie>   404. Thatís an error.
Nov 06 18:34:25 <Evie>   The requested URL was not found on this server. Thatís all we know.
Nov 06 18:34:43 <Evie>   That's the error message page I got
Nov 06 18:34:44 <Shiral>   Dang. Weird.I'll have to figure out something else, then. Maybe next week
Nov 06 18:35:21 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Odd that. The earlier efforts opened just fine.
Nov 06 18:35:30 <DesertRose>   Yeah, I'm kind of shopping around for a new online photo hosting site, because I used to use photobucket but they've gotten really badly glitchy lately, and I have a flickr account somewhere but I've never been able to figure out how to use it worth a darn.
Nov 06 18:35:48 <KK>   Hope so.  In any event, I think it's time for me to boogie.  See you next week, folks--and may we all survive the election with some semblance of sanity.
Nov 06 18:36:05 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good night KK
Nov 06 18:36:06 <The_Bee>   Sometimes a site is just overloaded.
Nov 06 18:36:17 <Evie>   I can talk you through Flickr, DR, since that's what I use
Nov 06 18:36:20 *   KK steps onto her Portal, waves goodnight, and disappears in a shower of green sparkles.
Nov 06 18:36:20 <Shiral>   https://www.flickr.com/gp/36290993@N03/Wt25b7
Nov 06 18:36:22 <DesertRose>   Okay, g'night KK.  Thanks for coming to see us!  See you next week!
Nov 06 18:36:23 <Shiral>   Bye, KK
Nov 06 18:36:26 <The_Bee>   bye KK. Thanks for coming and have a good week.
Nov 06 18:36:27 <Shiral>   Have a good week
Nov 06 18:36:28 <Jemler>   nite kk
Nov 06 18:36:30 <Evie>   Goodnight, KK
Nov 06 18:36:50 <DesertRose>   Success at last, Shiral!  YAYAYAYAYAY!   Very pretty!
Nov 06 18:36:59 <KK>   Ah, the tiny house at last!
Nov 06 18:37:14 <Shiral>   Haha! Made KK hesitate on the threshhold. =o)
Nov 06 18:37:15 <KK>   Very pretty, Shiral.
Nov 06 18:37:20 <Evie>   Nice, Shiral!
Nov 06 18:37:22 <DesertRose>   LOL, Shiral
Nov 06 18:37:31 <Shiral>   FINALLLY (Sometimes I hate computers.)
Nov 06 18:37:44 <DesertRose>   Have a good week, KK!
Nov 06 18:37:45 <The_Bee>   impressive, Shiral
Nov 06 18:37:53 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Ta KK1
Nov 06 18:38:02 <Shiral>   Have a good week, KK.
Nov 06 18:38:07 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Oops meant "!"
Nov 06 18:38:15 <KK>   Ta.
Nov 06 18:38:17 <DesertRose>   I hope your mom isn't coming down with pneumonia because it is made of suck!  Laters, dear author!
Nov 06 18:38:24 *   KK has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
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James Herriot (James Alfred "Alfie" Wight), when a human client asked him if animals have souls.  (I don't remember in which book the story originally appeared.)

 

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