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KK Chat -- 2 October 2016
« on: October 02, 2016, 06:38:13 pm »
Oct 02 17:21:28 *   KK has joined
Oct 02 17:21:36 <The_Bee>   this was a few years ago
Oct 02 17:21:42 <The_Bee>   Hi kk!
Oct 02 17:21:44 <KK>   Hi, guys.
Oct 02 17:21:49 <Jemler>   hi kk
Oct 02 17:21:52 <PhoneEvie>   Hi KL
Oct 02 17:21:59 <PhoneEvie>   KK  even
Oct 02 17:22:15 <DesertRose>   Hi KK!
Oct 02 17:22:35 <DesertRose>   Bee, that shouldn't have anything to do with it, honestly.
Oct 02 17:22:36 <Jemler>   kk, your birthday is in just over two weeks.
Oct 02 17:22:40 <PhoneEvie>   My phone started to say Go instead  of Hi, but I caught that one
Oct 02 17:22:58 <The_Bee>   oops caps lock on
Oct 02 17:23:07 <KK>   Your computer is misbehaving, Evie?
Oct 02 17:23:33 <PhoneEvie>   My computer decided to require a mandatory update it wouldn't let me reschedule
Oct 02 17:23:48 <DesertRose>   revanne said to say hi, but she's jetlagged after taking a trip this side of the Water and she had to go to bed.
Oct 02 17:23:52 <PhoneEvie>   And it decided this a few minutes before chat
Oct 02 17:24:29 <DesertRose>   revanne "had to go to bed" as in, couldn't keep her eyes open.  :)
Oct 02 17:24:38 <KK>   Cantankerous computers!
Oct 02 17:25:01 <DesertRose>   Indeed.  :)
Oct 02 17:25:06 <Jemler>   i'm thoinking of going to ubuntu.
Oct 02 17:25:17 <DesertRose>   How does one "thoink?"  :P
Oct 02 17:25:38 <KK>   ubuntu?
Oct 02 17:25:40 <PhoneEvie>   You think while oinking
Oct 02 17:25:43 <DesertRose>   It sounds like a sound effect from the 1960s Batman TV show.
Oct 02 17:25:54 <DesertRose>   It's a different operating system, KK.
Oct 02 17:25:59 <PhoneEvie>   A version of Linux.
Oct 02 17:26:02 <Jemler>   by twoying very hard
Oct 02 17:26:08 <DesertRose>   LOL, Jemler
Oct 02 17:26:26 <PhoneEvie>   An open source alternative to Windows that is also free
Oct 02 17:26:43 <KK>   I'd get even more confused.
Oct 02 17:27:46 <Jemler>   if only my pc would run vms!
Oct 02 17:27:55 <PhoneEvie>   I started this update just under an hour ago, and it's still just at 51%. Grrr!
Oct 02 17:28:17 <DesertRose>   Ugh, my hair is getting on my nerves.  The little short bits around my hairline that never grow are tickling me and ARGH!
Oct 02 17:28:28 <KK>   Sounds....monotomous.
Oct 02 17:28:50 <PhoneEvie>   And Microsoft won't let me put this off until bedtime like my phone's update system will, why exactly?
Oct 02 17:28:55 <KK>   Which looks like it's spelled wrong.
Oct 02 17:29:01 <DesertRose>   Because it wants to be a PITA, PhoneEvie
Oct 02 17:29:23 <The_Bee>   monotonous
Oct 02 17:29:31 <DesertRose>   If you were shooting for monotonous, KK, then it IS misspelled.  :)
Oct 02 17:29:49 <DesertRose>   Or a typo
Oct 02 17:30:01 <PhoneEvie>   I don't think slapping some lamb and tzatziki on my laptop will help,  DR.
Oct 02 17:30:19 <DesertRose>   It's in all caps because it's an acronym.  :P
Oct 02 17:30:56 <KK>   ?  Then what's the correct spelling?
Oct 02 17:31:16 *   drakensis (~drakensis@5A6A32.967268.274D15.265BB6) has joined
Oct 02 17:31:24 <Jemler>   hi drakensis
Oct 02 17:31:25 <PhoneEvie>   -nous instead of -mous
Oct 02 17:31:27 <drakensis>   hi
Oct 02 17:31:28 <DesertRose>   You had "monotomous" where we think you meant "monotonous," KK.
Oct 02 17:31:30 <DesertRose>   Hi drakensis
Oct 02 17:31:38 <The_Bee>   hi drakensis
Oct 02 17:31:54 <PhoneEvie>   That's why it looked wrong
Oct 02 17:32:04 <drakensis>   good evening everyone
Oct 02 17:32:04 <PhoneEvie>   Hi drakensis
Oct 02 17:32:24 <DesertRose>   Which, given that M and N are keyboard neighbors, could easily have been a typo and not an actual spelling error.  :)
Oct 02 17:32:39 <KK>   I must be tired  Didn't see the m.  But that would be why it looked wrong.
Oct 02 17:32:59 <The_Bee>   Have you been busy KK?
Oct 02 17:33:39 <Jemler>   maybe it should be spelled 'nomotomous' :)
Oct 02 17:33:43 <PhoneEvie>   Oh! Just remembered to ask. Are there still plans for a Lammas Night movie?
Oct 02 17:33:56 <KK>   Yeah, slowly slogging through all the debris that's accumulated in my office.
Oct 02 17:34:17 <KK>   They just renewed the option, so I assume they're still meaning to do it.
Oct 02 17:34:24 <The_Bee>   dad's estate  pretty much settled?
Oct 02 17:34:49 <PhoneEvie>   I have just started reading The Temple and the Stone,  which I've somehow managed not to read yet
Oct 02 17:34:54 <KK>   Still have to go down one more time to empty the safe deposit box, once I get the court order.
Oct 02 17:35:49 <KK>   Ah.  Fun Scottish history interwoven with fantasy....or is it?  :s
Oct 02 17:36:09 <The_Bee>   one of Scott's books?
Oct 02 17:36:49 <PhoneEvie>   One of KK'S Templar books
Oct 02 17:37:05 <The_Bee>   ok, thanks
Oct 02 17:37:28 <PhoneEvie>   Although I've read Scott's two and wish I could see how that arc ends
Oct 02 17:37:52 <Jemler>   ah yes. the vampire SS.
Oct 02 17:38:01 <KK>   One of these days, he <might> write it.
Oct 02 17:38:12 <DesertRose>   I keep meaning to hassle my parents about revising their wills because they need to find a lawyer for it, and I want to get the same lawyer to do something for me along those lines, having to do with medical incapacity.
Oct 02 17:38:38 <drakensis>   it's generally useful to have something on hand for such circumstances.
Oct 02 17:38:43 <The_Bee>   whose incapacity?
Oct 02 17:38:44 <PhoneEvie>   Does he need a round Tuit? I've got a wooden one here somewhere.
Oct 02 17:38:45 <DesertRose>   Mine
Oct 02 17:38:58 <KK>   I need to take my mom to an elder care attorney to get her docs updated.
Oct 02 17:39:14 <KK>   brb, I have tea brewing.
Oct 02 17:39:15 <drakensis>   I have to deal every now and then with people who're caring for family who can't give their consent for dealing with their own affairs.
Oct 02 17:39:19 <DesertRose>   But my parents' wills need revising because the last time they did it, my daughter was still a minor (she's now 24).
Oct 02 17:39:30 <drakensis>   having the paperwork prepared helps a lot
Oct 02 17:40:00 <DesertRose>   And my daughter and I are the primary heirs to the estate, being the only descendants either my mom or my stepdad have.
Oct 02 17:41:02 <The_Bee>   I really ought to make a will.  Under Mass. law, ifI die intestate, even distant relatives  can claim a piece.
Oct 02 17:41:21 <DesertRose>   I probably ought to as well, even though there isn't much to fuss over.
Oct 02 17:41:40 <PhoneEvie>   Carys will need looking after
Oct 02 17:41:52 <DesertRose>   And (this is going to sound morbid), I'm probably past the halfway point of my life already at forty, given family history.
Oct 02 17:42:12 <The_Bee>   My sister reminded me I'll need to provide for Melantha, if she outlives me.
Oct 02 17:42:14 <DesertRose>   Well, that's true.
Oct 02 17:42:42 <The_Bee>   I'm 73
Oct 02 17:43:05 <DesertRose>   But if my parents outlive me, they'll take her in, and if not, Steph would under no circumstances surrender her to a shelter, especially not given that Carys is a lap cat.
Oct 02 17:43:54 <DesertRose>   Only one person in my family that I'm aware of made it much past 75, and that was my father's paternal grandmother, who lived to 90.  My maternal grandmother made it to 78, and nobody else even made 75.
Oct 02 17:44:00 <The_Bee>   Steph is your daughter?
Oct 02 17:44:02 <DesertRose>   Yes
Oct 02 17:45:41 <DesertRose>   But given that my parents' cat (Steph lives with them while she's going to nursing school) are standoffish in one case and a total menace in the other, she would enthusiastically take in a cat who thinks that a seated human is sitting for the express purpose of providing a lap for said cat.
Oct 02 17:45:50 <DesertRose>   *parents' cats, plural.
Oct 02 17:46:01 <PhoneEvie>   Computer seems stuck at 91% updated.  Ready to fling it at Bill Gates' head!
Oct 02 17:46:04 <DesertRose>   LOL
Oct 02 17:46:20 <The_Bee>   Melantha's vet told me that her cancer could return in another year or two.  I'm going on a guilt trip because I can't stop thinking about getting Melantha'ssduccessor.
Oct 02 17:46:28 <DesertRose>   Oh no, Bee!
Oct 02 17:46:31 <Jemler>   i'm 53 and my dad died at 56. buy my mom is 73.
Oct 02 17:46:47 <DesertRose>   My stepdad is 68, but his dad died at 44.
Oct 02 17:47:48 <DesertRose>   I remember my stepdad having a little crisis the year he was 44, because that was how old his dad had been the year he had died.
Oct 02 17:47:58 <The_Bee>   Dad dies at 87, mom made it to 98.
Oct 02 17:48:38 <DesertRose>   Just kind of, "Oh wow, I'm older than my dad lived to be."
Oct 02 17:48:42 <The_Bee>   ddied
Oct 02 17:49:35 <Jemler>   brb. dinner.
Oct 02 17:49:38 <The_Bee>   both mom's parents  died relatively young. Her mother died when she was 7.
Oct 02 17:49:39 <DesertRose>   Okay, Jemler
Oct 02 17:49:44 <DesertRose>   Oh, wow, Bee.
Oct 02 17:50:11 <PhoneEvie>   My FIL was just in his late 50s, I think,  but he was a lifelong smoker who then got Legionnaires' pneumonia,  which resulted in COPD, and then he didn't stop smoking even when warned it would kill him if he took it up again when he left the hospital
Oct 02 17:50:16 <The_Bee>   the WW I influenza epidemic.
Oct 02 17:50:26 <DesertRose>   Wow, it's really super dark all of a sudden.
Oct 02 17:50:36 <DesertRose>   I believe we've got rain coming in.
Oct 02 17:51:04 <The_Bee>   do you need it? Or is Hurricane Matthew approaching?
Oct 02 17:51:08 <PhoneEvie>   Hopefully not a weather working
Oct 02 17:51:31 <DesertRose>   We could use the cooling off, probably the water too, but Matthew is a ways off in the Caribbean Sea still.
Oct 02 17:51:38 <PhoneEvie>   Anyone see Ariella lately? Oh, wait.
Oct 02 17:51:40 <DesertRose>   He's giving Cuba a lot of trouble right now.
Oct 02 17:52:26 <DesertRose>   I was actually hoping the rain would hold off a few more hours, for the sake of some friends of mine who are doing something outdoors today that rain would be a bother.
Oct 02 17:52:53 <KK>   With my luck, he'll slam Florida about the time I need to go back down.  (Actually, it will be the next hurricane, I suspect.)
Oct 02 17:52:55 <DesertRose>   If it'd just hold off about two more hours, the outdoor do would be over and the rain would only impede cleanup/packing of stuff.
Oct 02 17:53:07 <The_Bee>   Rain and Microsoft do not care about our convenience.
Oct 02 17:53:13 <DesertRose>   LOL, apparently not, Bee.
Oct 02 17:53:53 <PhoneEvie>   My first boyfriend  (of a sort) was named Matthew. He failed first grade because he didn't do his work.  He was too busy writing me love notes.  They all said the same thing.  "I love you.  Love, Matthew."
Oct 02 17:53:59 <DesertRose>   Hopefully, he'll go off and die of wind shear in the middle of the Atlantic and bother nobody, KK.  :)
Oct 02 17:54:20 <KK>   Hopefully, yes.
Oct 02 17:54:43 <PhoneEvie>   Hopefully the hurricane will be less persistent than Mini-Matthew!
Oct 02 17:54:49 <DesertRose>   Indeed!
Oct 02 17:54:57 <The_Bee>   We could use the rain, but not the wind.
Oct 02 17:55:12 <DesertRose>   And you don't want that much rain in that short a time, either.
Oct 02 17:55:30 <DesertRose>   It does more harm than good to get a foot and a half of rain in twelve hours.
Oct 02 17:56:05 <The_Bee>   Parts of the South found that out recently.
Oct 02 17:58:20 <PhoneEvie>   OMG. It stopped installing stuff, I logged back on, and get 'Hi. We've just installed an update. Please don't turn off your computer.  These updates help protect you in an online world...."
Oct 02 17:58:45 <PhoneEvie>   About a full minute between each of those sentences.
Oct 02 17:59:08 <DesertRose>   LOL, GIVE ME MY COMPUTER BACK!! right, PhoneEvie?
Oct 02 17:59:15 <The_Bee>   "What, me hurry?"
Oct 02 17:59:32 <DesertRose>   We're finally going to celebrate my mom's birthday on Friday.  Her actual birthday was August 11.
Oct 02 17:59:47 <The_Bee>   why the delay?
Oct 02 18:00:11 <PhoneEvie>   Bill Gates is going to need protection in the real world if I can't get on my words-deleted computer already!
Oct 02 18:00:25 <DesertRose>   Well, that week (of her actual birthday) she and my stepdad were on vacation in the mountains in North Carolina, so we didn't do it then although I think he took her out for a nice supper that evening.
Oct 02 18:01:31 *   Evie ( has joined
Oct 02 18:01:31 *   derynibot gives channel operator status to Evie
Oct 02 18:01:32 <DesertRose>   And then it's just been one thing after another that we haven't been able to celebrate it since; either I couldn't do it or my daughter couldn't.  For example, this weekend was a bad time because my stepdad has a colonoscopy bright and early tomorrow morning so he's having fun today.
Oct 02 18:01:34 <DesertRose>   Hi Evie
Oct 02 18:01:44 <Jemler>   hi evie
Oct 02 18:01:51 <drakensis>   hi Evie
Oct 02 18:01:59 <The_Bee>   Hi, not-phone Evie
Oct 02 18:02:05 <Evie>   Halle-freaking-lujah, I am finally on this blasted brick and can type with more than one finger!
Oct 02 18:02:09 <DesertRose>   LOL
Oct 02 18:02:31 <The_Bee>   Phone Evie is still here.
Oct 02 18:03:22 <KK>   Your poor stepdad, DR.
Oct 02 18:03:32 <Evie>   Yes, I'm staying logged in on the phone (unless it decides to boot me for inaction there) just in case MS decides to pull some last minute "Sorry, we lied, we're not done yet" shenanigans on me.
Oct 02 18:03:37 <DesertRose>   So now we're doing her birthday in conjunction with my daughter's (which was early in September).
Oct 02 18:03:59 <DesertRose>   It's unfun, KK, but he's used to it.  He has Crohn's disease, so he has to do this about every 3-6 months.
Oct 02 18:04:15 <KK>   That often?  Gppd heavens!
Oct 02 18:04:25 <DesertRose>   He'd rather do it bright and early in the morning and get it over with and be able to eat like a normal person again at least.
Oct 02 18:04:35 <Evie>   Yuck.  I'll stick to my every-5-years schedule, thanks.
Oct 02 18:04:36 <DesertRose>   Yeah, inflammatory bowel diseases are no fun.
Oct 02 18:04:57 <The_Bee>   My colonoscopy had to be indefinitely postponed because they won't do it unless I have someone to escort me home afterwards.
Oct 02 18:05:11 <DesertRose>   Yeah, you can't take public transit or a taxi by yourself.
Oct 02 18:05:26 <Evie>   Yes, you'll need that.  The sedation is very strong and takes hours to wear off.
Oct 02 18:05:26 <The_Bee>   I don't see why not.
Oct 02 18:05:32 <DesertRose>   You have to have someone drive you or take you home one way or another, because of the anesthesia/sedation drugs.
Oct 02 18:05:58 <Evie>   Because you might not be conscious enough to know what you're doing or get in or out of the right transport
Oct 02 18:06:02 <DesertRose>   I had to have an upper endoscopy on Friday, which involves similar sedation; that medication is no joke.
Oct 02 18:06:03 <The_Bee>   I don't recall that from my previous one.
Oct 02 18:06:06 <Evie>   and/or at the right location
Oct 02 18:06:08 <KK>   Aren't you in senior housing, and don't they have people who can take you to medical appointments and the like?
Oct 02 18:06:09 <Jemler>   i have op syrgery on the 10th.
Oct 02 18:06:15 <Jemler>   surgery.
Oct 02 18:06:26 <DesertRose>   What kind of surgery, Jemler?
Oct 02 18:06:30 <The_Bee>   I didn't think of that.
Oct 02 18:06:56 <Jemler>   i have a stent that needs replaced evwey 3 months. in my kidney.
Oct 02 18:07:03 <KK>   Well, then, no excuse not to get your colonoscopy, Bee.  ;)
Oct 02 18:07:06 <DesertRose>   Oh, that's due again?  Fun.
Oct 02 18:07:08 <The_Bee>   no fun!
Oct 02 18:07:24 <Jemler>   my sister will drive.
Oct 02 18:07:44 <KK>   You ok, DR?
Oct 02 18:07:48 <DesertRose>   Yup
Oct 02 18:07:58 <KK>   Good-o.
Oct 02 18:08:04 <DesertRose>   Just having some weird abdominal stuff that the GI doc wanted to take a look at.
Oct 02 18:08:15 <The_Bee>   I'm not sure I need it.  The problem that aroused suspicion has gone and not returned.
Oct 02 18:08:22 <DesertRose>   Waiting for lab results to come back, but probably nothing major because nothing looked off on scope.
Oct 02 18:08:28 <KK>   Have you had one before, Bee?
Oct 02 18:08:56 <The_Bee>   a coloniscopy< Yes, quite a few years ago
Oct 02 18:09:05 <DesertRose>   Go get the colonoscopy, Bee.  The prep is the worst part, and colon cancer is a nasty way to go out.
Oct 02 18:09:09 <KK>   How quite?
Oct 02 18:09:22 <Evie>   It's usually recommended every so often once you get past 50, and more often if you have any family history of colon cancer, which I do
Oct 02 18:09:23 <The_Bee>   I forget
Oct 02 18:09:48 <Jemler>   how many years in a quite?
Oct 02 18:09:53 <DesertRose>   I watched my paternal grandmother go out that way.  A woman who should have worn a size 12 at minimum was able to wear a size 6 swimsuit.  I know because I was wearing a size 6 swimsuit at the time, but I was 11.
Oct 02 18:10:07 <KK>   It's usually done every 10 years, or 3-5 if they removed a polyp.
Oct 02 18:10:51 <KK>   Or more if there's a family history.
Oct 02 18:11:02 <Jemler>   i had one two years ago. fun time, colonoscopy trhu a colostomy.
Oct 02 18:11:36 <The_Bee>   no family history, but I wonder if chronic constipation makes me high-risk.
Oct 02 18:12:00 <Evie>   I have a family history, and they found a small polyp last time, so I really need to double-check when I need to go back again, though I shouldn't be due to just yet.
Oct 02 18:12:02 <KK>   Drink more fluids, Bee.  :)
Oct 02 18:12:12 <DesertRose>   Any kind of bowel wonkiness merits taking a peek.  Call the gastroenterologist and get on the schedule!  :D
Oct 02 18:12:32 <DesertRose>   Especially if you don't remember when the last one was.
Oct 02 18:12:33 <The_Bee>   I'm like Hillary.  I don't drink enough water.
Oct 02 18:12:46 <Jemler>   drinking more fluids is something i can't do.
Oct 02 18:13:00 <DesertRose>   You're a special case, though, Jemler, with the kidney stuff.
Oct 02 18:13:05 <KK>   Water, tea, juice, milk....
Oct 02 18:13:26 <The_Bee>   coffee, juice and milk I can do.
Oct 02 18:13:29 <Jemler>   coffee, bourbon, scotch, beer, cocoa...
Oct 02 18:13:36 <DesertRose>   Uh, no.  :P
Oct 02 18:13:47 <Jemler>   party pooper.
Oct 02 18:14:01 <DesertRose>   Yeah, I'm no darn fun.  :)
Oct 02 18:14:06 <The_Bee>   Now you're talking my language, Jemler! :O
Oct 02 18:14:40 <KK>   Why not water, Bee?
Oct 02 18:14:44 <DesertRose>   Bourbon, Scotch, and beer will emphatically NOT help with hydration.  :P
Oct 02 18:14:56 <KK>   They have flavorings now, to put in it.
Oct 02 18:15:14 <The_Bee>   Water's ok as long as it's very cold.  I have some in my fridge.
Oct 02 18:17:01 <DesertRose>   You and my cat, Bee.  She follows me into the kitchen and waits for me to drop chips of ice when I crack the ice trays, because she likes to lick the ice chips.  :D
Oct 02 18:17:45 <The_Bee>   Tepid water is blah.
Oct 02 18:18:10 <DesertRose>   Yeah, I'm actually with you on that.  I'll drink tepid water if I'm super thirsty and that's all there is, but mostly beverages need to be cold or hot.
Oct 02 18:18:41 <The_Bee>   same here
Oct 02 18:18:52 <DesertRose>   I either want my coffee hot or iced; there is no middle ground.
Oct 02 18:18:54 <DesertRose>   Same with tea.
Oct 02 18:19:01 <The_Bee>   yes!
Oct 02 18:19:29 <Jemler>   when i was at davita dialysis, the water they gave was always warm. i guess they never plugged in the cooler.
Oct 02 18:19:30 <KK>   Partly depends on the flavor, too.  Some water tastes better than others.  And it doesn't matter to me if it's super-cold, as long as it tastes good.
Oct 02 18:19:43 <DesertRose>   I don't think Jesus meant coffee and tea when he said, "Be ye either hot or cold or I shall [spit] thee out of my mouth," but that's how I feel about most beverages.
Oct 02 18:20:09 <DesertRose>   True, KK.
Oct 02 18:20:09 <Evie>   DD is that rare exception who hates ice in her drinks, so she prefers her beverages hot or lukewarm.  Or chilled is OK, but without any ice.
Oct 02 18:20:26 <Jemler>   my uncle had a natural spring on his land. ice cold straight from the tap. made everything taste better.
Oct 02 18:20:32 <DesertRose>   I swear your DD and mine are in some temporal warp and are the same person in two places.
Oct 02 18:20:42 <DesertRose>   Mine hates ice in anything but iced tea.
Oct 02 18:20:57 <Evie>   Mine doesn't even want it in her tea
Oct 02 18:21:08 <The_Bee>   My sister has/had a habit of leaving a half-finished cup of coffee lying around.  When she went on her honeymoon we froze the un-drunken coffee and gave it to her when she returned.
Oct 02 18:21:14 <DesertRose>   I corrupted mine to iced tea a long time ago.
Oct 02 18:21:24 <DesertRose>   LOL, Bee
Oct 02 18:21:57 <Evie>   What did you do with the drunken coffee? Stage an intervention?  :-D
Oct 02 18:22:30 <DesertRose>   Irish coffee.  :)
Oct 02 18:22:43 <The_Bee>   Why didn't I think of that? ;)
Oct 02 18:23:04 *   Evie sings "What do you do with a drunken coffee / what do you do with a drunken coffee / what do you do with a drunken coffee / Ear-lye in the morning?"
Oct 02 18:23:07 <KK>   I don't particularly like ice in my water or tea, either.
Oct 02 18:24:47 <DesertRose>   Speaking of which, my glass has gone empty, back in a few.
Oct 02 18:25:04 *   The_Bee sings "Wash it down with chocolate SlimFast..."
Oct 02 18:25:25 <Evie>   The Mini-Deryni rarely have ice in their beverages either, although they do have ice.  A little plastic lump of it, specifically, and  more lumps at the bottom of their wine cooler bucket
Oct 02 18:27:06 <Evie>   I had an Irish Coffee just this week.  My church's Ladies' Night Out dinner was at a cafe that serves it.
Oct 02 18:27:08 <DesertRose>   LOL
Oct 02 18:27:16 <KK>   Wash ir down with chocolate Slim Fast>>>?  Thaty sounds disgusting.
Oct 02 18:27:37 *   BalanceTheEnergies (Mibbit@83BF1D.5474AF.0EED19.9C444F) has joined
Oct 02 18:27:39 <The_Bee>   no, it's like mocha with vitamins.
Oct 02 18:27:40 <DesertRose>   Hi BalanceTheEnergies
Oct 02 18:27:44 <The_Bee>   Hi BtE
Oct 02 18:27:44 <Evie>   LOL, yes, I can't imagine Irish Coffee with a chocolate Slim Fast chaser
Oct 02 18:27:47 <Jemler>   hi bte
Oct 02 18:27:57 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hello all. Sorry I'm late.
Oct 02 18:28:04 <KK>   Hi, BTE.
Oct 02 18:28:14 <Evie>   Regular coffee, maybe, if it's mocha-like, but not Irish Coffee
Oct 02 18:28:17 <Evie>   Hi BTE
Oct 02 18:28:20 <DesertRose>   It's okay.  Show up when you can.  :)
Oct 02 18:28:35 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Yeah, had to work last week
Oct 02 18:28:36 <The_Bee>   coffeem mile and slimfast is my usual breakfast
Oct 02 18:28:40 <KK>   We've been discussing colonoscopies and drinking water.
Oct 02 18:28:42 <The_Bee>   milk
Oct 02 18:28:49 <Evie>   I'm wondering if we'll have several late arrivals from people forgetting it's early chat today, since we just had one recently
Oct 02 18:28:56 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Oh fun. Had one of those years ago.
Oct 02 18:29:00 <DesertRose>   I was thinking that too, Evie
Oct 02 18:29:23 <Evie>   Luke just arrived to sit across my arms,now that I'm on the laptop
Oct 02 18:29:35 <The_Bee>   Hi, Luke
Oct 02 18:29:37 <DesertRose>   Which was why I said something about it in the shoutbox earlier today, but I'm guessing no one noticed.  Ah well.  It is what it is.
Oct 02 18:29:40 <DesertRose>   Hi Luke.
Oct 02 18:29:40 <KK>   How many, BTE?  We were getting all militant about people needing to get theirs regularly.
Oct 02 18:29:50 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I had to disengage from Wimsey to get on the free wifi.
Oct 02 18:30:05 <DesertRose>   Carys is napping on the foot of my bed.
Oct 02 18:30:22 <KK>   Morgan Llewellyn used to have a dog named Wimsey.
Oct 02 18:30:25 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Actually, it was once when I was at university.
Oct 02 18:30:27 <Evie>   That's where Gigi is too
Oct 02 18:30:51 <The_Bee>   Mickey and Melanta are both asleep on my bed.
Oct 02 18:31:03 <KK>   And you are now how old? 
Oct 02 18:31:27 <BalanceTheEnergies>   The doctor wanted to find out why I was constipated. I turned 47 a few weeks back
Oct 02 18:31:47 <Jemler>   gigi is at the university? what's her major?
Oct 02 18:31:56 <KK>   Ah, probably the same problem as Bee.  Not drinking enough fluids.
Oct 02 18:31:58 <Evie>   Your doctor will probably be suggesting another one soon, then.  Usually once you turn 50, it's recommended
Oct 02 18:32:21 <Evie>   LOL, jemler.  Gigi is also sleeping at the foot of my bed, although if any cat could handle university studies, it would be Gigi
Oct 02 18:32:44 <The_Bee>   She's major in larceny.
Oct 02 18:32:57 <Evie>   LOL, too right, Bee!
Oct 02 18:32:59 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Actually, I've found I need probiotics from time to time, and I'm told it's a family issue.
Oct 02 18:33:11 <Jemler>   i wanted to take goelogical astronomy. the study of rock stars.
Oct 02 18:33:23 <Evie>   Argh!
Oct 02 18:33:26 <Evie>   Evie smacks Jemler upside the head with a mackerel
Oct 02 18:34:27 <BalanceTheEnergies>   My mother has had similar issues and even some colon surgery, so perhaps that is in my future. I did wonder if my immune system was killing off my gut flora.
Oct 02 18:35:59 <KK>   Greek yogurt is good for keeping the flora up.
Oct 02 18:36:29 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Yes, I get that when I can.
Oct 02 18:36:47 <The_Bee>   Are bacteria flora or fauna?
Oct 02 18:36:59 <DesertRose>   I've taken to eating a little container of Greek yogurt with breakfast, because I've had to take so dratted many antibiotics in the last few months.
Oct 02 18:37:16 <The_Bee>   Does it help?
Oct 02 18:37:38 <DesertRose>   I think technically neither, Bee; I think bacteria are in a completely different Kingdom taxonomically.  :)
Oct 02 18:37:40 <DesertRose>   And yes.
Oct 02 18:37:52 <BalanceTheEnergies>   My mother has had to do that a number of times (especially after tetracycline), and she says t helps.
Oct 02 18:38:43 <DesertRose>   I haven't had to take tetracycline, but I've had a couple of courses of Keflex, one in July and a long one here recently, and my digestion was NOT happy.
Oct 02 18:39:27 <KK>   They speak of the gut inhabitants as flora.  And yes, after or with tetracycline is a very good idea.  There are some antibiotics that I just can't take. 
Oct 02 18:39:36 <drakensis>   night
Oct 02 18:39:40 <DesertRose>   Carys approves of the Greek yogurt addiction to breakfast, because she gets to lick a little bit out of the container.
Oct 02 18:39:43 <DesertRose>   G'night drakensis
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Oct 02 18:39:50 <BalanceTheEnergies>   God night
Oct 02 18:39:51 <DesertRose>   *addition
Oct 02 18:39:53 <The_Bee>   bye drakensis
Oct 02 18:39:56 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Oops.
Oct 02 18:39:59 <Evie>   He always leaves so fast
Oct 02 18:40:02 <DesertRose>   Good lord, how did that C get in there.
Oct 02 18:40:07 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I missed ans misspelled.
Oct 02 18:41:03 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Overly helpful spellchecker?
Oct 02 18:41:08 <The_Bee>   There are worse thing to be addicted to than breakfast, DR.
Oct 02 18:41:08 <Evie>   I can see how yogurt might be addicting, if it's tasty enough.  :-D
Oct 02 18:41:13 <BalanceTheEnergies>   That's often my trouble.
Oct 02 18:41:21 <DesertRose>   No, I can't blame this on spell check.  Rented fingers. :)
Oct 02 18:41:48 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I'm using originals, but they also are slow and clumsy.
Oct 02 18:41:59 <DesertRose>   Carys thought the vanilla yogurt this morning was pretty tasty.  :)
Oct 02 18:42:44 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I tend to eat mine at work, so Wimsey doesn't get the chance to try it.
Oct 02 18:43:15 <DesertRose>   I'm on disability, so Carys gets a shot at pretty much everything I eat, unless it's out or at someone else's place.
Oct 02 18:43:25 <DesertRose>   Or at least, she thinks she does.
Oct 02 18:43:36 <BalanceTheEnergies>   She tries for it, eh?
Oct 02 18:44:04 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Wimsey will often investigate, but only certain things take his fancy.
Oct 02 18:44:15 <DesertRose>   Yup, but a) begging kitties do not get food and b) about half the chicken dishes I cook (chicken is usually what sets her to pestilential behavior) have garlic and/or onion in them, both of which are bad for kitties.
Oct 02 18:44:57 <The_Bee>   I learned Melantha likes peanut butter when she started licking my open sandwich.
Oct 02 18:45:09 <DesertRose>   ROFL, I can just picture that, Bee.
Oct 02 18:45:10 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Yup, I have to head for the kitchen to rinse out chocolate ice cream bowls for a similar reason.
Oct 02 18:45:30 <DesertRose>   One of the cats my family used to have used to like to lick mandarin oranges.  She wouldn't eat them, just lick them.
Oct 02 18:45:43 <Evie>   I can't leave peas where Luke can get to them, or sour cream where Gigi can get to it
Oct 02 18:45:50 <DesertRose>   Same cat would also eat pinto beans.
Oct 02 18:46:08 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Morshi would demand fresh spinach leaves, and simply take them if I didn't oblige him.
Oct 02 18:46:14 <KK>   Most of those veggies are ok for cats and dogs.  Edgar used to like baked beans.
Oct 02 18:46:14 <DesertRose>   LOL
Oct 02 18:46:29 <Evie>   The last time he smelled peas cooking, he was beside himself with joy and doing a lot of begging
Oct 02 18:46:30 <KK>   One bean at a time.
Oct 02 18:46:48 <DesertRose>   So if we were making taco salad, we'd have to separate out a couple of pinto beans when we drained them for the cat.
Oct 02 18:47:29 *   EvieOnPhone ( has joined
Oct 02 18:47:42 <DesertRose>   EvieOnPhone, is the computer being ridiculous?
Oct 02 18:47:42 <The_Bee>   rehi Evie
Oct 02 18:48:02 <The_Bee>   Well, you're still here.
Oct 02 18:48:20 <Evie>   Noooo???
Oct 02 18:48:32 <DesertRose>   Taco salad being the main thing we fixed with pinto beans.
Oct 02 18:48:48 <The_Bee>   Can't you see yourself?   I see both of you.
Oct 02 18:48:49 <DesertRose>   I just was wondering why you're in here three times, twice on your phone?
Oct 02 18:49:07 <Evie>   It looks like the phone briefly disconnected, though. I'll go ahead and log off the phone, since it seems certain Microsoft has finished mucking around with my laptop now.
Oct 02 18:49:25 <DesertRose>   PhoneEvie is still here, but EvieOnPhone just appeared.
Oct 02 18:49:27 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I was wondering if we had a new member also named Evie
Oct 02 18:49:28 <DesertRose>   That's odd.
Oct 02 18:49:37 <DesertRose>   No, just Evie cloning herself.  :)
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Oct 02 18:49:54 <The_Bee>   The Three Faces of Evie
Oct 02 18:49:57 <DesertRose>   LOL
Oct 02 18:50:05 <BalanceTheEnergies>   :D
Oct 02 18:50:15 <Evie>   OK, so I exited from the phone app, but one of my phone personae still appears to be here.  Weird.
Oct 02 18:50:36 <DesertRose>   Yup
Oct 02 18:50:48 *   PhoneEvie has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
Oct 02 18:50:51 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Quite. Usually people are being booted involuntarily.
Oct 02 18:51:12 <DesertRose>   Bass ackward today.  :)
Oct 02 18:51:32 <Evie>   OK, now it's just me
Oct 02 18:51:39 <Evie>   Instead of Me Three
Oct 02 18:51:39 <DesertRose>   Yup, we're down to only one Evie.
Oct 02 18:51:51 <DesertRose>   Good, the world needs only one! ;)
Oct 02 18:52:12 <Evie>   :-P
Oct 02 18:52:19 <DesertRose>   Go ahead and smack me.  I deserve it for that.  :)
Oct 02 18:52:43 <Evie>   The mackerel launcher is aimed at jemler and I don't know how to re-aim it.  :-D
Oct 02 18:53:13 <BalanceTheEnergies>   So, any news I missed? For my part, my mother is home from hospital (not sure what upended there) and she's enjoying Murdoch Mysteries season 8 and some stuff I sent her about a story idea I had for an intersex character.
Oct 02 18:53:17 <DesertRose>   LOL, okay.
Oct 02 18:53:38 <DesertRose>   Sorry, BalanceTheEnergies, my last was meant at Evie's last.
Oct 02 18:53:49 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I thought the launcher homed in on Jemler anyway. :)
Oct 02 18:54:05 <DesertRose>   It's more or less permanently aimed his direction.  ;)
Oct 02 18:54:12 <The_Bee>   I' currently reading one of the Murdoch mystery books.
Oct 02 18:54:52 <Evie>   Evie launches a hail of sardines at DesertRose
Oct 02 18:54:53 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I keep meaning to do that, but the usual staffing crisis and trying to scrape up more money get in the way.
Oct 02 18:55:06 <DesertRose>   I haven't been reading much of anything because I need new glasses super badly.
Oct 02 18:55:20 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I just trained a guy for a second shift, and he abruptly quit.
Oct 02 18:55:24 <Evie>   There, DR, I created a macro just for you
Oct 02 18:55:29 <KK>   Readers or RX?
Oct 02 18:55:38 <DesertRose>   I'm going to phone my eye doctor bright and early tomorrow morning and get an appointment for an eye exam ASAP.
Oct 02 18:55:39 <Evie>   Oh dear, BTE. THat's annoying
Oct 02 18:55:40 <The_Bee>   That can be a real nuisance, DR.
Oct 02 18:55:46 <DesertRose>   Rx, KK.
Oct 02 18:56:16 <KK>   Get thee to your eye doctor!
Oct 02 18:56:29 <KK>   Not being able to read sucks little green rocks.
Oct 02 18:56:30 <DesertRose>   I started wearing prescription glasses when I was just short of 18, and since then I've needed a new prescription about every eighteen months; unfortunately my current insurance will only cover an eye exam every 24 months.
Oct 02 18:56:58 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Ooo. Sounds pricey. I'm supposed to get new ones too, but I haven't paid off the retina repair, and the doctor wanted my to be checked for diabetes.
Oct 02 18:57:49 <The_Bee>   Can you change  your insurance, It's currently open enrollment time.
Oct 02 18:57:50 <DesertRose>   I'd had an eye exam appointment for 1 or 2 September but I had to have my appendix removed on 31 August so that had to be canceled, and the eye doctor was all booked up for the rest of September and wouldn't make appointments into October, as late as last Monday, for reasons that don't make sense to me.
Oct 02 18:58:08 <DesertRose>   I could, but it would make matters worse on other, more expensive and everyday fronts, Bee.
Oct 02 18:58:21 <BalanceTheEnergies>   My insurance gets annual exams, but not much on the glasses.
Oct 02 18:58:24 <The_Bee>   bummer!
Oct 02 18:58:54 <BalanceTheEnergies>   How's the surgical recovery coming btw?
Oct 02 18:59:15 <DesertRose>   I'm past due for my every-24-months eye exam, as my last one was in late August 2014, but it's just been one thing and another (mostly that the dratted optometrist didn't have any open appointments).
Oct 02 19:00:10 <KK>   Wow.
Oct 02 19:00:20 <The_Bee>   Sounds like you need an ophthalmologist, not just an optician.
Oct 02 19:00:38 <DesertRose>   My insurance does $100 towards the glasses, which is fine with me because I got my current pair through Zenni Optical, who do not charge an arm and a leg for frames, so the current pair were about $35 for the whole shebang.
Oct 02 19:01:01 <Jemler>   she might want to see an eye doctor, too.
Oct 02 19:01:51 <DesertRose>   I don't really need an ophthalmologist, because my vision isn't THAT weird, but I do need to see an optometrist to get the new prescription, which is probably going to involve bifocals if the difficulty I've been having with print materials and distance-from-the-written-material means anything.
Oct 02 19:02:39 <KK>   Not bad.  My last old rx before my surgeries were costing around $650; full coverage for the exam, but nothing toward lenses or frames.  Now I can wear off the rack readers.
Oct 02 19:02:41 <DesertRose>   An optician just fits glasses; an optometrist can examine your eyes for focal problems and eye diseases; an ophthalmologist can do eye surgery.
Oct 02 19:03:16 <The_Bee>   I think my prescription glassses aretrifocal, but cheap reading glasses work better fot reading and computing.
Oct 02 19:03:28 <DesertRose>   My mom's the same way since her cataract surgery, KK.  She loves it, after 30+ years of expensive eyeglasses with heavy, thick lenses.
Oct 02 19:04:11 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I had to get regressive lenses last time, and I'm heavily myopic (hence the PVD and the torn retina). If I don't go high-index, I wear Coke-bottle-bottom lenses.
Oct 02 19:04:14 <KK>   Yeah, and my insurance covered all the surgeries.  Yippie!
Oct 02 19:04:35 <DesertRose>   This current pair of glasses are single vision, and the prescription ain't cutting it anymore, so I'm getting eyestrain headaches more often than not (joy), and then there's the print-material problem.
Oct 02 19:04:39 <DesertRose>   YAY indeed, KK!
Oct 02 19:04:44 <The_Bee>   My vision also improved after cataract surgery. like lasik, only the insurance covered it.
Oct 02 19:05:02 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Nice, both of you.
Oct 02 19:05:09 <KK>   Do you get the light-weight French lenses?
Oct 02 19:05:16 <DesertRose>   I'm pretty sure my parents' insurance covered my mom's cataract surgeries too.
Oct 02 19:05:44 <DesertRose>   Carys has come from her napping on the foot of the bed to say Hi.
Oct 02 19:05:58 <The_Bee>   HI, Carys
Oct 02 19:05:59 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hello Carys
Oct 02 19:06:05 <Evie>   Luke is meatloafed at the foot of the bed and Gigi is resting against my knee
Oct 02 19:06:25 <BalanceTheEnergies>   "Meatloafed"?
Oct 02 19:07:28 <Evie>   Sitting in characteristic cat fashion with all legs tucked underneath, so they resemble a fuzzy meatloaf
Oct 02 19:07:42 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Ah, now I get it.
Oct 02 19:07:55 <DesertRose>   My family always called that position "gear up" as in an airplane with its landing gear tucked up into the fuselage.  :)
Oct 02 19:08:00 <KK>   Hunkered down with feet tucked underneath.  "Cat: mysterious creature frequently mistaken for a meatloaf."
Oct 02 19:08:24 <Jemler>   did you see the story about Bruce Springsteen?
Oct 02 19:08:25 <KK>   I like "grear up."
Oct 02 19:08:30 <DesertRose>   That family nickname might have a little bit to do with my late biological father having had a pilot's license.  :)
Oct 02 19:08:41 <BalanceTheEnergies>   No Jemler
Oct 02 19:08:42 <Evie>   It's an especially cute position when viewed from the underside of a glass table.  Lots of photos of meatloaffed cats on glass tables on the Internet
Oct 02 19:09:13 <KK>   Also sometimes called "hovercat" when viewed from under the glass table.
Oct 02 19:09:40 <Jemler>   a kid skipped school to get an autographed copy of his book. bruce signed an excuse for him to give to the teacher.
Oct 02 19:09:55 <Evie>   LOL
Oct 02 19:09:59 <BalanceTheEnergies>   :D I hope it worked.
Oct 02 19:10:05 <DesertRose>   Oh, I did see that, Jemler.  That was funny! :D
Oct 02 19:10:13 <The_Bee>   Good for Springsteen!
Oct 02 19:10:47 <DesertRose>   Okay, I now have to remove Carys from the side of my laptop because otherwise there will be cat-head typing going on here.  :)
Oct 02 19:11:15 <BalanceTheEnergies>   :)
Oct 02 19:11:50 <DesertRose>   She's very good at engaging the caps lock for me, whether I want it on or not.
Oct 02 19:12:51 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Wimsey begrudges sharing my attention with this tablet, but he also tries his paw at it and my phone's screen.
Oct 02 19:13:50 <DesertRose>   LOl
Oct 02 19:13:51 <DesertRose>   LOL
Oct 02 19:13:56 <Evie>   One of mine sent DD a text message once.
Oct 02 19:14:08 <Evie>   It was very cryptic
Oct 02 19:14:14 <The_Bee>   What did itsay?
Oct 02 19:14:31 <Evie>   Nothing that I could understand. It looked like code.  :-D
Oct 02 19:14:32 <BalanceTheEnergies>   :D Wimsey likes to open other apps, including the sketch pad.
Oct 02 19:14:47 <Jemler>   ok folks. for some reason i couldn't get to sleep last night, and i have an appt tomorrow. and i think it's catching up to me. so i'll say goodnight.
Oct 02 19:14:58 <Evie>   Goodnight, Jemler
Oct 02 19:14:59 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good night Jemler
Oct 02 19:15:12 <The_Bee>   goodnight, jemler. Glad you could make it.
Oct 02 19:15:20 <KK>   Nighters, Jemler.
Oct 02 19:15:24 <The_Bee>   hope all goes well,
Oct 02 19:15:35 <Jemler>   if you lose any of the log, let me know.
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Oct 02 19:17:11 <DesertRose>   AnnieUK forgot it was early chat this week but sends her regards.
Oct 02 19:17:33 <DesertRose>   She also forgot her forum/chat password, which we are rectifying now.  :)
Oct 02 19:19:37 <KK>   I think Id better also sign off.  Scott has just gotten home from a weekend at the big gun show at Dulles airport, and we need to catch up.
Oct 02 19:19:51 <KK>   See you guys next week at 7 PM.
Oct 02 19:20:02 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good night KK
Oct 02 19:20:08 <Evie>   g'night, KK
Oct 02 19:20:15 <The_Bee>   Thanks for coming,  KK. Have a good week.
Oct 02 19:20:18 *   KK steps onto her Portal, waves goodnight, and disappears in a shower of green sparkles.
Oct 02 19:22:13 <The_Bee>   Say Hi to Scott and the fur kids.
Oct 02 19:22:18 <Evie>   On phone with DH
Oct 02 19:23:10 <DesertRose>   Thanks for coming to see us, KK.  See you next week!
Oct 02 19:23:27 <DesertRose>   Have a good week!
Oct 02 19:23:30 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Ta!
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Oct 02 19:23:44 <DesertRose>   Hi Derynifank
Oct 02 19:23:48 <Evie>   Hi Derynifank
Oct 02 19:23:50 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hello Derynifank
Oct 02 19:24:03 <Derynifank>   Hi everyone
Oct 02 19:24:04 <The_Bee>   Hi, Deryfank
Oct 02 19:26:41 <The_Bee>   It's suppertime here.  Ave atque vale, folks.
Oct 02 19:26:49 <DesertRose>   Later, Bee!
Oct 02 19:26:57 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good night Bee
Oct 02 19:27:16 *   The_Bee fliesthrough her portal, wafting fragrances of poppies and jasmine.
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Oct 02 19:28:45 <Evie>   Looks like my DH will be delayed a day in getting home
Oct 02 19:29:01 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Nothing serious, I hope.
Oct 02 19:29:11 <DesertRose>   What's going on, Evie?
Oct 02 19:30:31 <Evie>   No, not really.  He's at the living history event site that he is president of the BoD for, and it needs some basic maintenance stuff that the caretaker hasn't been able to fix (or maybe just hasn't got around to), and there's an event scheduled there in two weeks, so he's going to try to take care of it before he leaves there since he won't be able to do it next weekend.
Oct 02 19:30:55 <Evie>   So it's more an annoyance than an emergency
Oct 02 19:31:27 <DesertRose>   Oh, okay.
Oct 02 19:31:35 <DesertRose>   Good that it's just snafu and not crisis.
Oct 02 19:31:48 <BalanceTheEnergies>   quite so.
Oct 02 19:31:57 <Evie>   I doubt there's too much to repair, since he gave me a one day estimate, but OTOH given that my husband is notorious for underestimating time....
Oct 02 19:32:20 <Evie>   Maybe I'll see him by Wednesday?  :-D
Oct 02 19:33:09 <DesertRose>   LOL
Oct 02 19:33:21 <Evie>   KK, are you actually still here, or were you just so excited to see Scott that you forgot to log off? 
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Oct 02 19:34:15 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hello again
Oct 02 19:34:15 <Evie>   rehi
Oct 02 19:34:24 <DesertRose>   rehi derynifank
Oct 02 19:35:26 <KK>   Got distracted.  Going now.  Byeeeee.
Oct 02 19:35:41 <DesertRose>   See you, KK!
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