KK Chat -- 5 June 2016

[DesertRose]

Jun 05 17:05:59 *   KK has joined
Jun 05 17:06:02 <DesertRose>   Hi KK!
Jun 05 17:06:08 <Eyikl>   hi KK
Jun 05 17:06:11 <KK>   Hello, all!
Jun 05 17:06:17 <DesertRose>   How was your week?
Jun 05 17:06:37 <KK>   OK.  Nothing to write home about.
Jun 05 17:07:02 <KK>   Evie, how are the Littles?
Jun 05 17:07:11 <DesertRose>   She had gone afk for a snack a minute ago.
Jun 05 17:07:16 <drakensis>   hi KK
Jun 05 17:07:22 <DesertRose>   So I'm not sure she's made it back to her laptop yet. 
Jun 05 17:07:54 <revanne>   Hi KK
Jun 05 17:08:18 <Evie>   Hi, KK, just got back to keyboard.  They are fine.  They've reproduced.  ;-)  (I found some 1:6 scale child dolls with jointed knees and elbows on sale at Tuesday Morning, so I grabbed some Haldane kids and a Grania Morgan while I had a chance.)
Jun 05 17:08:49 *   BalanceTheEnergies (Mibbit@83BF1D.5474AF.0EED19.9C444F) has joined
Jun 05 17:08:51 <DesertRose>   Hi BalanceTheEnergies
Jun 05 17:09:07 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hello all. Sorry I'm late.
Jun 05 17:09:22 <DesertRose>   No worries, KK just joined us less than five minutes ago. 
Jun 05 17:09:42 <BalanceTheEnergies>   So I haven't missed much then?
Jun 05 17:09:54 <Eyikl>   not much
Jun 05 17:10:00 <DesertRose>   Nope, just hellos and an update about Evie's mini-Deryni.
Jun 05 17:10:07 <Eyikl>   we talked about the weather
Jun 05 17:10:15 *   Demercia (Mibbit@OWIRCN-c4f0c809.range86-165.btcentralplus.com) has joined
Jun 05 17:10:20 <Evie>   Here's the latest post about them, although I've found a Javan since this was posted, and Albin is having a really bad hair day due to there being glue inside his head that I didn't know about until after I boil-set it.  http://www.rhemuthcastle.com/index.php?topic=844.msg15305#msg15305
Jun 05 17:10:26 <DesertRose>   Oh yeah, we were having a weather and food chat before KK popped in.
Jun 05 17:10:29 <DesertRose>   Hi Demercia
Jun 05 17:10:40 <Demercia>   Hi everyone
Jun 05 17:10:50 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hello Demercia
Jun 05 17:10:58 <DesertRose>   Now that you're here, happy belated birthday to revanne and Demercia.
Jun 05 17:11:05 <Evie>   hi Demercia and anyone who arrived while I was afk
Jun 05 17:11:15 *   DesertRose provides birthday cake and ice cream.
Jun 05 17:11:31 <Demercia>   Thank you.  For the wishes and the cake.
Jun 05 17:11:42 <Demercia>   Not to mention the ice cream
Jun 05 17:12:10 *   Evie eats a slice of carrot cake with cream cheese frosting in honor of revanne and Demercia. Or perhaps in honour of them instead.  ;-)
Jun 05 17:12:13 <DesertRose>   I figured I'd wait for you to show before I said anything or brought out cake, since it's for both of you. 
Jun 05 17:12:35 <revanne>   Thank you.
Jun 05 17:12:51 <revanne>   We promise to share nicely.
Jun 05 17:13:06 <DesertRose>   
Jun 05 17:13:14 <Demercia>   Really Revanne?!
Jun 05 17:13:29 <Demercia>   Definitely honour, Dvie
Jun 05 17:13:37 <Demercia>   Evie!
Jun 05 17:13:53 <Evie>   You promise to be nice to your sister? Where's the real revanne?  ;-)
Jun 05 17:14:16 <DesertRose>   It's magical chat cake, so in addition to being whatever sort of cake you want it to be, there's also as much of it as there needs to be, so sharing is maybe not so much an issue. 
Jun 05 17:14:38 <drakensis>   and zero calories!
Jun 05 17:14:41 <DesertRose>   That too. 
Jun 05 17:14:49 <Evie>   It even lets you share the tummyache from overeating it!
Jun 05 17:14:56 <DesertRose>   Ice cream is likewise. 
Jun 05 17:15:25 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Please! No tummy ache. I had that last night, and am drinking Gatorade today.
Jun 05 17:15:46 <revanne>   Sounds good. Trying to work out if I'm real or not but it's too late to be complicated like that so will just enjoy the cake.
Jun 05 17:15:48 <Evie>   Argh, I hate having to do the clear liquids thing
Jun 05 17:16:04 <DesertRose>   There's a funny post that makes the rounds on Tumblr, probably originated by some young adult, about having bought and eaten an entire cake in one sitting because they were an adult now and they could, and then realizing that maybe their parents had a reason for not letting them do that.
Jun 05 17:16:15 <Demercia>   Gatorade?
Jun 05 17:16:18 <revanne>   LOL
Jun 05 17:16:46 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Yeah. Standard advice from my doctor in such cases.
Jun 05 17:16:48 <DesertRose>   It's a sports drink, for rehydrating athletes in the sun originally, but it's also good for keeping sick people from getting too dehydrated.
Jun 05 17:16:50 <Evie>   Gatorade started off as a sports beverage to stay hydrated and replace electrolytes, but it's also useful in case of stomach upset
Jun 05 17:17:07 *   The_Bee (Mibbit@OWIRCN-860d1fc1.ma.comcast.net) has joined
Jun 05 17:17:13 <Eyikl>   hi Bee
Jun 05 17:17:18 <Evie>   hi Bee
Jun 05 17:17:26 <DesertRose>   So named because it was created for the University of Florida (US) football team, whose mascot is the Gators.
Jun 05 17:17:26 <The_Bee>   Hi everyone
Jun 05 17:17:27 <DesertRose>   Hi Bee.
Jun 05 17:17:30 <Demercia>   Oh ok I think we have simil at things
Jun 05 17:17:38 <revanne>   I think it's probably what we call Lucozade, Demercia.
Jun 05 17:17:48 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hello Bee
Jun 05 17:17:49 <Demercia>   Similar 😀
Jun 05 17:17:57 <Demercia>   Hi Bee. 
Jun 05 17:18:07 <revanne>   But without the alligators which I don't think would help a dicky tummy.
Jun 05 17:18:12 <Evie>   In the medieval period, there was a drink called sekanjabin that served a similar purpose, as well as tasting refreshing.
Jun 05 17:18:14 <revanne>   Hi Bee
Jun 05 17:18:19 <DesertRose>   Bee, Demercia and revanne just had a birthday three days ago so there's cake and ice cream. 
Jun 05 17:18:35 <DesertRose>   I love me some sekanjabin.
Jun 05 17:18:45 <Demercia>   Yummy it is too, and no calories
Jun 05 17:18:51 <Evie>   So do I, especially at a hot summer event
Jun 05 17:19:05 <DesertRose>   Mmhmm, which describes a good number of events in Trimaris. 
Jun 05 17:19:06 <Eyikl>   I think I've had sekanjabin with mint.
Jun 05 17:19:06 <The_Bee>   Many happy returns to both.
Jun 05 17:19:11 <KK>   What's in Sekanjabin?
Jun 05 17:19:18 <revanne>   Thank you, Bee
Jun 05 17:19:26 <DesertRose>   Honey, any of a number of herbs, and I can't remember what else.
Jun 05 17:19:34 <Eyikl>   min, sugar, water
Jun 05 17:19:51 *   The_Bee takes a nibble of birthday cake.
Jun 05 17:19:53 <DesertRose>   You actually make a concentrated syrup (which keeps quite well) and dilute it as needed.
Jun 05 17:20:16 <Evie>   Besides medieval Gatorade?  Traditionally it's made with wine vinegar and sugar (or honey) water boiled to make a syrup, with lemon and mint often added for flavor, and/or other herbs
Jun 05 17:20:28 <DesertRose>   Vinegar, that was the ingredient I was forgetting!
Jun 05 17:20:40 <revanne>   Which reminds me I have a bottle of mead in the pantry. Might treat myself to a glass. Brb
Jun 05 17:20:47 <DesertRose>   Wine or apple cider vinegar is what I've seen in recipes.
Jun 05 17:20:57 <Evie>   To read the ingredients list, it sounds vile, but it's surprisingly good
Jun 05 17:21:13 <DesertRose>   Yeah, it does sound really odd, but it tastes yummy, at least I think so.
Jun 05 17:21:16 <The_Bee>   I wonder where the name "sekanjabin" came from.
Jun 05 17:21:20 <DesertRose>   It's Persian.
Jun 05 17:21:36 <The_Bee>   Ah.
Jun 05 17:21:59 <Evie>   So possibly used to refresh fighters during Torenthi battles.  ;-)
Jun 05 17:22:46 <DesertRose>   LOL, yup
Jun 05 17:23:07 <The_Bee>   honey or sugar for energy
Jun 05 17:23:27 <DesertRose>   Yup, vinegar for electrolytes, I should think.
Jun 05 17:23:40 <DesertRose>   Citrus and/or mint probably helps with that too.
Jun 05 17:23:40 <Demercia>   I have made something similar to fend off winter coughs.
Jun 05 17:24:04 <DesertRose>   Yeah, it does read a bit like a concentrated hot toddy, doesn't it? 
Jun 05 17:24:07 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Not to mention helping improve the taste.
Jun 05 17:24:34 <DesertRose>   Except sekanjabin syrup is meant to be diluted and served at least cool if not cold.
Jun 05 17:24:48 <Evie>   It was used for medicinal purposes in period also, IIRC
Jun 05 17:24:54 <Demercia>   I prefer the birthday cakecwithou however :-)
Jun 05 17:24:56 <DesertRose>   Yeah, I think so.
Jun 05 17:25:19 <DesertRose>   No, with birthday cake and ice cream, we need something less acidic to drink. 
Jun 05 17:25:27 <Demercia>   Autocorrect in good form tonight.😉
Jun 05 17:25:34 <DesertRose>   
Jun 05 17:26:00 <revanne>   places bottle of mead within easy reach
Jun 05 17:26:27 <The_Bee>   KK, what would be the Deryni-verse counterpart of Persia?
Jun 05 17:26:51 <Evie>   I have a bottle of something called "Pumpkin Cider" (though it's nonalcoholic) that I thought I'd try tonight, but the stopper is some odd sort that has managed to defeat me, so it's still unopened.
Jun 05 17:27:21 <KK>   Probably up in the area of Anvil of the Lord?
Jun 05 17:27:36 <Evie>   What would Nur Hallaj be closest to in our world?
Jun 05 17:27:56 <Demercia>   Maybe it needs a fairy Godmother's help, Evie?
Jun 05 17:28:04 <The_Bee>   Persia=Iran, doesn't it?
Jun 05 17:28:12 <revanne>   Yes
Jun 05 17:28:28 <DesertRose>   Yup
Jun 05 17:28:35 <Evie>   Maybe, Demercia. Want to flit your wings and fly this way to open my bottle for me?
Jun 05 17:28:56 <Evie>   Although you'd be awfully young to be my Godmother
Jun 05 17:28:57 <Derynifank>   Persia might be coser to Andelon or Torenth
Jun 05 17:29:09 <KK>   Sort of Moorish Spain?
Jun 05 17:29:18 <revanne>   She's a dab hand at opening a bottle with a knitting needle.
Jun 05 17:29:23 <Evie>   Ah, that makes sense
Jun 05 17:29:31 <DesertRose>   Andalucia. 
Jun 05 17:29:48 <revanne>   That is how I've imagined Rothana ethnically and culturally.
Jun 05 17:31:11 <DesertRose>   The cathedral of the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona is on my bucket list, assuming I ever have the budget for international travel.
Jun 05 17:31:27 <Eyikl>   I don't think Persia is like moorish Spain.
Jun 05 17:31:29 <DesertRose>   Even though I think the construction still isn't quite finished.
Jun 05 17:31:32 <revanne>   My DD2 is paddle boarding down the Danube at the moment, as you do!, as is sending back some wonderful pictures. She's arrived in Budapest at the moment and is resting for a few days there.
Jun 05 17:31:44 <DesertRose>   Oh, cool, revanne!
Jun 05 17:32:05 <The_Bee>   great way to spend a summer
Jun 05 17:32:26 <revanne>   Yes - i spoke to her the other day and it felt weird speaking to someone sat on the river bank in Hungary looking over at Slovakia.
Jun 05 17:32:33 *   jemler (~jemler@OWIRCN-f200353b.oh.comcast.net) has joined
Jun 05 17:32:40 <The_Bee>   hi jemler
Jun 05 17:32:40 <DesertRose>   No, Eyikl, I think KK was replying to the question about Nur Hallaj.
Jun 05 17:32:41 <jemler>   hi folks
Jun 05 17:32:42 <DesertRose>   Hi jemler
Jun 05 17:32:44 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Hello Jemler
Jun 05 17:32:48 <revanne>   Hi Jemler
Jun 05 17:32:48 <Evie>   Hi jemler
Jun 05 17:32:56 <jemler>   hi kk
Jun 05 17:33:18 <Demercia>   Hi Jemler
Jun 05 17:33:43 <Eyikl>   oh.That makes more sense, DR.
Jun 05 17:33:48 <jemler>   what about nur hallaj
Jun 05 17:33:51 <Eyikl>   Hi Jemler
Jun 05 17:33:51 <jemler>   ?
Jun 05 17:33:53 <KK>   Hi, Jemler.  How're you oing today?
Jun 05 17:33:59 <KK>   doing
Jun 05 17:34:06 <DesertRose>   It's typical of us to have several threads of conversation running at once.  It's easy to get a little lost. 
Jun 05 17:34:22 <jemler>   doing ok. started phys therapy the other day.
Jun 05 17:34:33 <DesertRose>   Evie asked for a rough real-world equivalent of Nur Hallaj, and KK said sort of Moorish Spain.
Jun 05 17:34:41 <revanne>   KK was saying that Nur Hallaj is sort of equivalent to Morrish Spain/ Andalucia
Jun 05 17:34:50 <The_Bee>   Jemler, we were discussing  Deryni-verse counterparts of our-world places.
Jun 05 17:34:58 <jemler>   ah. around the time of El Cid.
Jun 05 17:35:02 <DesertRose>   We had been talking about something else that related to Persia before, and Eyikl got confused, because the threads of conversation got a bit tangled (to say the least). 
Jun 05 17:35:30 <revanne>   Although they didn't necessarily speak in blank verse all the time.
Jun 05 17:35:36 <Demercia>   Which would explain the horses and the scholars.
Jun 05 17:35:37 <jemler>   but, that's half the fun!
Jun 05 17:36:02 <DesertRose>   Neither did everyone in Elizabethan England, but that doesn't make Shakespeare's plays any less interesting! 
Jun 05 17:36:19 <revanne>   
Jun 05 17:36:56 <Eyikl>   El Cid didn't speak in blank verse?
Jun 05 17:36:59 <Demercia>   Of course they did DR
Jun 05 17:37:33 <DesertRose>   At least to a nerd like me, who had the advantage of being made to use the KJV translation of the Bible at age five so Shakespeare's language was not so difficult by the time I encountered it. 
Jun 05 17:37:43 <jemler>   KK, a questions about Queen Sineads Watch.
Jun 05 17:38:32 <KK>   Yes?
Jun 05 17:39:16 <jemler>   I think that Cambers Portal, the one that shifted, would have been positioned over a wall or column to provide a path to the solid earth. What are your thughts?
Jun 05 17:39:38 <jemler>   thoughts
Jun 05 17:40:47 <revanne>   Eyikl, I had to read a French seventeenth century version of El Cid for French A-level (exams taken at 18). Can't remember who it was by but it has coloured my picture of El Cid ever since.
Jun 05 17:40:48 <KK>   I pictured a solid stone floor to the top of the tower, so that would have provided a grounded base for the Portal.
Jun 05 17:41:10 <The_Bee>   Well, I'm pretty  sure it wasn't suspended in mid-air.
Jun 05 17:41:21 <jemler>   It seems logical. All Portals have contact with the ground, so...
Jun 05 17:42:15 <jemler>   In that case, Sinead would have inside access, from her private chamers, or perhaps stairs.
Jun 05 17:42:30 <Evie>   Although in an earlier chat, KK also said that packed earth or stone underneath an upper story flooring could work, IIRC.
Jun 05 17:42:56 <DesertRose>   Inside access to what, jemler?
Jun 05 17:43:07 <revanne>   If there was a vaulted room just below the top of the tower it would make sense for the gap between the vaulting and the stones of the floor to be packed with earth to give a more solid bases.
Jun 05 17:43:10 <Demercia>   Have completely forgotten who Queen Sinead is?
Jun 05 17:43:12 <Eyikl>   So the rest of the tower below the portal was solid, or the stone walls of the tower provided enough grounding?
Jun 05 17:43:28 <KK>   A spiral stair coming up the side of the tower, perhaps within the thickness of that wall (a corner, perhaps?), and the Portal need not have been precisely centered on the top of hte tower.
Jun 05 17:43:34 <DesertRose>   Widow of some long-ago Haldane King, can't remember which one off the top of my head.
Jun 05 17:43:46 <The_Bee>   IIRC, that was how the library portal was explained to Javan.
Jun 05 17:43:51 <jemler>   how did she get up to the Watch? there had tobe a door. if the floor was solid under, there had to be stairs inside.
Jun 05 17:43:51 <KK>   Nor ca I.  :-)
Jun 05 17:43:56 <Demercia>   Thanks
Jun 05 17:44:30 <revanne>   Was she the one with the cats or am I in the wrong universe. It's late. I'm drinking mead:D
Jun 05 17:45:09 <The_Bee>   I'm pretty sure all buildings then and now are connected to something that's connected to the ground.
Jun 05 17:45:11 <KK>   I don't recall that I ever filled in much about her.  I needed a name and the hint of a character to associate with that Portal.
Jun 05 17:45:13 <Demercia>   I think that was a Queen of Gondor Revanne
Jun 05 17:45:25 <jemler>   agreed, demercia.
Jun 05 17:45:27 <DesertRose>   King Aidan in the 600s.
Jun 05 17:45:54 <Evie>   I read that as "King Aidan in the 1960s" for a moment there.  :-D
Jun 05 17:45:58 <DesertRose>   LOL
Jun 05 17:46:04 <revanne>   Whoops - the perils of living in tow many universes at once.
Jun 05 17:46:11 <Evie>   Imagining Aidan rocking his bell bottoms and sideburns
Jun 05 17:46:15 <DesertRose>   ROFL
Jun 05 17:46:48 <Evie>   In Haldane Crimson, of course.  ;-)
Jun 05 17:46:49 <jemler>   Kig Aidan Haldane the Groovy!
Jun 05 17:46:50 <DesertRose>   Queen Sinead committed suicide by jumping off the tower which was later named for her after King Aidan was killed in battle.
Jun 05 17:46:58 <DesertRose>   ROFL!!!
Jun 05 17:47:06 <Demercia>   I love Tolkein's world - but he didn't like cats.
Jun 05 17:47:07 <DesertRose>   (At the groovy king)
Jun 05 17:47:20 <Evie>   Maybe she jumped because she was forced to wear ribbed polyester pants
Jun 05 17:47:22 <Demercia>   I did wonder DR!
Jun 05 17:47:42 <jemler>   i saw a picture on FB that would offend cat lovers.
Jun 05 17:48:03 <revanne>   Or a tank top.
Jun 05 17:48:03 <DesertRose>   Well, I typed my rather somber bit about Queen Sinead's demise as jemler typed his silly bit about King Aidan Haldane the Groovy, so yeah, that was a bit of a juxtaposition.
Jun 05 17:48:26 <Evie>   Speaking of Haldanes in bright clothing that might be made of polyester (though it was the closest thing I had to a small-patterned silk:  https://flic.kr/p/HPQsTE
Jun 05 17:48:35 <The_Bee>   That happens a lot here.
Jun 05 17:48:56 <revanne>   Cute
Jun 05 17:49:07 <DesertRose>   I saw one on FB about how dog lovers will tell you all about their dog's ancestry, and cat lovers will say, "This is my cat, Carys, and she's a [jerk]."
Jun 05 17:49:22 <BalanceTheEnergies>   This would be one of Kelson and Araxie's children, yes?
Jun 05 17:49:36 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I don't have a codex
Jun 05 17:49:41 <DesertRose>   The word that I substituted jerk for was even more not-nice and vulgar.
Jun 05 17:49:44 <Evie>   Yes, BtE
Jun 05 17:49:56 <Eyikl>    I don't know the ancestry of any dog I've had.
Jun 05 17:50:17 <KK>   Cute.  I foresee a spate of adventures involving the younger Littles.
Jun 05 17:50:21 <Evie>   All of mine have been "This is my dog, ____, and he's a mutt."
Jun 05 17:50:32 <Evie>   Here's her brother, KK:  https://flic.kr/p/HSSTPD
Jun 05 17:50:38 <Evie>   Still working on his outfit
Jun 05 17:50:40 <DesertRose>   OH, there's already been a dispute over shoes between Princess Araxandra and Lady Grania Morgan.
Jun 05 17:50:45 <The_Bee>   PBS did a program on how dogs and early humans got together
Jun 05 17:50:50 <Evie>   and I just cut out the dress for the other twin sister today
Jun 05 17:51:03 <KK>   I know the pedigree of one of ours: purebred Basset and purebred Entlebucher.
Jun 05 17:51:11 <Eyikl>   Some of mine were "This is _. She's a greyhound."
Jun 05 17:51:26 <Evie>   Yes, Grania came with red shoes, but Araxandra insisted she didn't need them since she's getting a blue dress, so Araxandra commandeered them.
Jun 05 17:51:56 <DesertRose>   My favorite dog of my lifetime would have been introduced as "This is Neil; he's half German shepherd and half God-knows, whatever his mom is.  He's an idiot but a total sweetheart."
Jun 05 17:52:10 <Evie>   Now it's "This is Luke, and he's a hot mess.  This is Gigi, and she's plotting to take over the world."
Jun 05 17:52:35 <Eyikl>   Is Gigi really a cat?
Jun 05 17:52:49 <Eyikl>   Taking over the world seems like a cat thing to do.
Jun 05 17:52:51 <revanne>   Javan is just totally gorgeous
Jun 05 17:52:52 <The_Bee>   "Mother unknown" is much rarer than "father unknown."
Jun 05 17:52:53 <KK>   Just out of curiosity, what would one of the child bodies look like with an adult head, which would be a bit more in scale.  (Of course, they'd probably look too worldly and mature for children.)
Jun 05 17:52:53 <Evie>   She's a cross between a cat and The Brain from Pinky and the Brain
Jun 05 17:52:57 <DesertRose>   Gigi might be a very clever alien masquerading as a small gray-brown tabby.
Jun 05 17:53:15 <DesertRose>   Neil's mother wasn't unknown, just her ancestry. 
Jun 05 17:53:29 <Evie>   I don't know, since I'm afraid of ruining one by taking off the head to find out, and also yes, the adult heads would look too mature.
Jun 05 17:53:49 <KK>   No beheadings, then.
Jun 05 17:54:06 <Evie>   I got them on sale at Tuesday Morning, but the store is almost out of them, so I can't afford to break one trying to test if I can head swap
Jun 05 17:54:41 <DesertRose>   Neil's mother was a border-collie sized dog with a long blonde coat; her name was Sunshine, and my mom rescued her, which Sunshine repaid by loving Mom more than anyone else (to the point of barely tolerating anyone not-Mom).
Jun 05 17:55:43 <Eyikl>   Good thing Javan
Jun 05 17:56:09 <The_Bee>   Is Javan a cat or a dog?
Jun 05 17:56:15 <Eyikl>   s a prince , or people might tell him he looked like a girl.
Jun 05 17:56:28 <KK>   I've heard that about border collies, that they attach to one family member and mostly ignore the rest of the family.
Jun 05 17:56:32 <DesertRose>   Javan is a mini-Deryni, Bee.
Jun 05 17:56:34 <Evie>   Fortunately very young children tend to have heads that are (proportionally) a little large compared to their bodies, although granted they shouldn't be larger than adult heads.  But given how few child dolls are even available with articulation, and that these were a lot less than $25 each (more the norm for the few child action figures there are), I can't complain.
Jun 05 17:56:59 <Evie>   I should have said "$25 and up," since some are closer to $100-200
Jun 05 17:56:59 <The_Bee>   OH, I thought we were talking about someone's pet.
Jun 05 17:57:01 <KK>   True.  Practicality must will out.
Jun 05 17:57:13 <DesertRose>   Well, Sunshine had also been badly abused and left to starve to death, which is what my mom rescued her from, so it's pretty understandable that she got quite attached to Mom.
Jun 05 17:57:52 <Evie>   Luke was an abandoned kitty, so that's probably why he's so clingy now, although he's gotten less so since we got Gigi
Jun 05 17:57:58 <DesertRose>   Sunshine did not like my dad at all, and I was little so I was too noisy for her tastes.
Jun 05 17:58:13 <Evie>   He still prefers to be near us if not all over us, but he's not constantly crying if we're out of sight
Jun 05 17:58:43 <BalanceTheEnergies>   My Wimsey is much the same, and he was left alone by his former owner.
Jun 05 17:59:17 <Evie>   LOL, Eyikl, Javan started out as a girl, since unfortunately this particular line of dolls (the Madame Alexander travel collection) doesn't have any little boys in it.
Jun 05 17:59:41 <Evie>   So I had to improvise by buying one with black hair that I could easily cut shorter.
Jun 05 17:59:48 <DesertRose>   Neil, on the other hand, loved everything and everyone, even the vet.
Jun 05 17:59:55 <The_Bee>   One of our former chatters had a cat who she thinks had been abused.  Anyone recall who?
Jun 05 18:00:24 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Not offhand Bee
Jun 05 18:00:24 <Demercia>   Though my big ginger cat is very clingy, and he had a good start in life and has been spoiled rotten ever since.  He just likes people
Jun 05 18:00:57 <Evie>   Don't recall, Bee, though it was obvious that Luke had been pre-owned, since he came to us with a collar (that he had outgrown almost to the point of strangulation) and he'd been neutered
Jun 05 18:01:13 <The_Bee>   Melantha seemed more clingy after I returned home from surgery and rehab.
Jun 05 18:01:56 <The_Bee>   Even if she did hide under my neighbor's bed when I came to get her.
Jun 05 18:02:14 <Eyikl>   I wouldn't call any of my cats clingy, though they like their bedwarmers.
Jun 05 18:02:28 <Evie>   Luke used to wait anxiously by the front door for our return every workday, but he doesn't do that nearly as much now that he has Gigi's company.
Jun 05 18:03:11 <The_Bee>   When my brother had 3 cats, one was always bullied by the other two.
Jun 05 18:03:20 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Speaking of cats, perhaps one of you can advise me. Wimsey is starting to turn up his nose at the k/d wet food and prefers the dry k/d, when he didn't use to like dry food much at all before.
Jun 05 18:03:26 <DesertRose>   Carys gets clingy if I go anywhere for long.
Jun 05 18:04:00 <DesertRose>   But she's my little tabby shadow anyway, unless, like now, she's napping on my bed while I'm out in the living room.
Jun 05 18:04:05 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Am wondering if I should be concerned, though he is still eating, just more grazing than set meal times.
Jun 05 18:04:09 <The_Bee>   Feed hi what he'll eat, BtE, unless the vet says otherwise
Jun 05 18:04:16 <Evie>   Maybe his tastes have just changed, BtE. Is there any reason why he needs to eat the wet version?
Jun 05 18:04:20 <revanne>   Dry food is generally better for both cats and dogs teeth.
Jun 05 18:04:41 <DesertRose>   If he's eating and still using the box normally, I wouldn't get too concerned.  If you notice him eating less food total and/or a change in his litter box habits, then I'd worry.
Jun 05 18:04:54 <Demercia>   Just make sure he has plenty of fresh water
Jun 05 18:04:56 <Evie>   My two will prefer the wet food if it's on offer, but Luke keeps the dry food down better, so we only give them the wet food as an occasional treat.
Jun 05 18:05:05 <DesertRose>   Yes, definitely, with the water.
Jun 05 18:05:15 <The_Bee>   When I adopted Melantha,  I was aadvised to give her both wet and dry.
Jun 05 18:05:17 <jemler>   don't know enough abouts cats to give an opinion. sorry.
Jun 05 18:05:51 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Well, he lacks most of his teeth (part of the neglect, I suspect). One of my vet's partners favoured wet food to aid the kidney function. I do have a filtered fountain, and he gets plenty of water (not more than before diagnosis).
Jun 05 18:05:52 <DesertRose>   Wet tends to be better nutritionally, but dry is better for their teeth, basically.
Jun 05 18:06:05 <revanne>   Our cats refuse point blank to drink water out of their bowl. They insist it has to be out of the dog's bowl who just stands and watches in a bemused sort of way.
Jun 05 18:06:10 <The_Bee>   My current vet says changing her food too often could cause vomitting
Jun 05 18:06:13 <DesertRose>   LOL, revanne.
Jun 05 18:06:23 <Evie>   Then again, I've yet to meet a cat food that my two won't eat.  They'll turn their noses up at a lot of human food, but have always eaten whatever cat food they've been offered, for which I'm grateful since I can't afford finicky eaters
Jun 05 18:06:25 <DesertRose>   Yes, cats tend not to like it when you mess with their routine.
Jun 05 18:06:25 <jemler>   get a pet mouse and let it run loose. see what that does.
Jun 05 18:06:42 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I did mix it with the last of the old stuff to transition him gently.
Jun 05 18:06:46 *   DesertRose smacks jemler with a catfish.
Jun 05 18:07:01 <Evie>   Although I am careful to buy a brand of cat food that's supposed to help maintain good urinary tract health, since Luke had a problem with a UTI in the past
Jun 05 18:07:05 <BalanceTheEnergies>   I'm not sure Wimsey has ever seen a live mouse.
Jun 05 18:07:07 <The_Bee>   I'm having to throw out quite a bit of uneaten cat food.
Jun 05 18:07:09 <DesertRose>   That's common in neutered toms, Evie.
Jun 05 18:07:38 <Evie>   LOL, I just read that as your dog's bowl standing and watching in a bemused way, revanne!  :-D
Jun 05 18:08:05 <Eyikl>   Well ave you seen a dog's bowl move?
Jun 05 18:08:25 <revanne>   Yep - I've been practising bespelling Cassie's bowl.
Jun 05 18:08:26 <DesertRose>   Only if it was in the castle from the Disney "Beauty and the Beast" movie, maybe.
Jun 05 18:08:26 <Evie>   Hm, well, there is that, Eyikl.  :-D
Jun 05 18:08:29 <Derynifank>   Have to go now. Hope everyone has a good week
Jun 05 18:08:38 <DesertRose>   Okay, bye, Derynifank!
Jun 05 18:08:38 <The_Bee>   not unless someone was pushing it
Jun 05 18:08:39 <Demercia>   Going to say goodnight, thanks all for early chat.  Have a good June,  will there still be early chat on 3rd July, since I recall some sort of celebration on the 4th😉
Jun 05 18:08:40 <Evie>   Goodnight, Derynifank
Jun 05 18:08:44 <jemler>   nite derynifank
Jun 05 18:08:44 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good night Derynifank
Jun 05 18:08:47 <DesertRose>   G'night, Demercia.
Jun 05 18:08:55 <The_Bee>   nighters, Derynifank
Jun 05 18:08:56 <jemler>   nite demercia
Jun 05 18:09:00 <DesertRose>   I don't see why not, with regards to July early chat.
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Jun 05 18:09:11 <DesertRose>   But that's probably KK's call, really.
Jun 05 18:09:11 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good night Demercia
Jun 05 18:09:13 <revanne>   night
Jun 05 18:09:13 <Evie>   Unless our Guest of Honor has other plans
Jun 05 18:09:37 <jemler>   none that i know of!
Jun 05 18:09:40 <Eyikl>   goodnight Demercia
Jun 05 18:09:45 <Evie>   Since KK Chat without KK is just...um...chat.  :-D
Jun 05 18:09:49 <DesertRose>   LOL
Jun 05 18:09:58 <Evie>   Which we often do anyway, even when she can't be here
Jun 05 18:10:02 <DesertRose>   True
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Jun 05 18:10:06 <revanne>   
Jun 05 18:10:10 <KK>   I've had two male cats (neutered) who got so badly blocked that they had to have surgery.  But I'd say that such problems are not uncommon.
Jun 05 18:10:11 <The_Bee>   KK's been idling.
Jun 05 18:10:36 <Evie>   Is that why I hear her motor running?
Jun 05 18:10:40 <DesertRose>   KK, are you planning for early chat on 3 July or do you have Independence Day weekend plans?
Jun 05 18:10:56 <jemler>   get out on the highway. ooking for adventure..
Jun 05 18:11:12 <Evie>   "Ook! Ook! Heeere, adventure!"
Jun 05 18:11:13 <DesertRose>   That song is my stepdad's ringtone on my mobile phone.
Jun 05 18:11:13 <jemler>   get out on the highway. looking for adventure..
Jun 05 18:11:20 <jemler>   yea!
Jun 05 18:11:22 <KK>   We will have plans, since the 4th is my mother's birthday, but that's Monday.  Sunday should be OK.
Jun 05 18:11:33 <The_Bee>   OOKIng. Is she the Librarian form Discworld?
Jun 05 18:11:41 <revanne>   That's good KK
Jun 05 18:11:43 <DesertRose>   Okay, cool, thanks.  revanne, can you pass the word on to your sis?
Jun 05 18:11:47 <jemler>   never read it bee.
Jun 05 18:11:52 <revanne>   Will do
Jun 05 18:11:59 <DesertRose>   Thanks.
Jun 05 18:12:14 <The_Bee>   The Librarian is an orangutang.
Jun 05 18:12:15 <Evie>   A double birthday celebration, then. Your Mom, and the USA.
Jun 05 18:12:32 <DesertRose>   Terry Pratchett.  You'd get a kick out of his stuff, probably, jemler.  He was quite a smart mouth. 
Jun 05 18:12:46 <jemler>   word of warning. don't put firecrackers on your mom's cake!
Jun 05 18:12:53 <Evie>   LOL!
Jun 05 18:12:56 <Eyikl>   the librarian has no name
Jun 05 18:13:17 <KK>   Yep, everyone always celeberates her birthday with a day off and fireworks.
Jun 05 18:13:32 <jemler>   use the guy from star trek: tos - mr. Atoz.
Jun 05 18:14:29 <DesertRose>   Which is great, assuming LBM likes fireworks. 
Jun 05 18:14:36 <DesertRose>   I don't know many people who don't like a day off.
Jun 05 18:14:48 <Eyikl>   Use Mr. Atoz for what?
Jun 05 18:14:48 <Evie>   And then do you return home to pull the dogs out from under the bed?
Jun 05 18:15:05 <jemler>   the name of the librarian.
Jun 05 18:15:25 <jemler>   brb
Jun 05 18:16:26 <KK>   The dogs don't mind fireworks.  It's thunder that does them in.
Jun 05 18:16:58 <Evie>   Pixie used to hate both, but he was more used to thunder than fireworks, so he hated those more
Jun 05 18:17:02 <jemler>   back
Jun 05 18:17:25 <jemler>   i have prachett files in .lit format.
Jun 05 18:17:35 <DesertRose>   Ah, okay. 
Jun 05 18:18:07 <The_Bee>   The Librarian was turned into a ourangutang in the first Discworld novel, and he's resisted any attempts tp change him back.
Jun 05 18:18:43 <Evie>   That reminds me, I need to see if I can find a free version of Microsoft Reader, since I have some old .lit files from devices I used to have that I can't read anymore.
Jun 05 18:18:50 <jemler>   the color of magic?
Jun 05 18:19:03 <revanne>   Yes
Jun 05 18:19:05 <The_Bee>   Was that it? Maybe.
Jun 05 18:19:44 <DesertRose>   The Color of Magic is the first one, yes.
Jun 05 18:19:48 <Eyikl>   yep.
Jun 05 18:19:54 <jemler>   when i convert to kindle format, it doiubles spaces everything.
Jun 05 18:19:57 <revanne>   Am going to head to bed. Thanks for chatting early everyone.
Jun 05 18:19:59 <DesertRose>   You don't actually have to read them in order of publication though, and some recommend you don't.
Jun 05 18:20:03 <DesertRose>   Night, revanne!
Jun 05 18:20:05 <jemler>   nite revanne
Jun 05 18:20:11 <drakensis>   night revanne
Jun 05 18:20:14 <Evie>   Goodnight, revanne
Jun 05 18:20:15 <The_Bee>   nighters, Revanne. Glad you came
Jun 05 18:20:18 <BalanceTheEnergies>   Good night Revanne
Jun 05 18:20:26 <Eyikl>   goodnight revanne
Jun 05 18:20:29 <DesertRose>   It seems sort of like Sir Terry didn't really hit his stride with the Discworld books until he got a few novels in.
Jun 05 18:20:31 <KK>   Nighters, revanne.
Jun 05 18:20:43 <drakensis>   I think the Libarian's transformation _might_ have been in the Light Fantastic
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Jun 05 18:21:01 <KK>   Double-spacing is no bad thing, when it comes to ease of reading.
Jun 05 18:21:02 <jemler>   i forgot tonight was early. i was reading AC doyle.
Jun 05 18:21:34 <The_Bee>   Pratchett himself said, IIRC, that only the Witches' novels need to be read in order.
Jun 05 18:21:51 <drakensis>   Yeah, it was Light Fantastic.
Jun 05 18:21:51 <DesertRose>   If you want to read the most irreverent thing ever committed to print in English, read Sir Terry's collaboration with Neil Gaiman, Good Omens.
Jun 05 18:21:55 <Evie>   Checking if I'm connected here, since I"m having connection problems on my browser
Jun 05 18:22:02 <DesertRose>   Yup, you're here, Evie
Jun 05 18:22:29 <drakensis>   And honestly i'd recommend reading at least the individual books of the various subseries in order. The Guards books. the Rincewind books.
Jun 05 18:22:31 <Evie>   OK, good, although I just got a bunch of lines all at once after a long silence
Jun 05 18:22:46 <DesertRose>   Phooey on your connection.
Jun 05 18:23:37 <Eyikl>   I'm sure there are more irreverent books than Good Omens
Jun 05 18:23:44 <Evie>   brb, going to turn lights on, as I've just realized I'm typing in the dark
Jun 05 18:23:48 <The_Bee>   Remind me:  What was the kingdom where Pratchett's witches lived? Lank-something.
Jun 05 18:24:01 <DesertRose>   Probably, but I reserve the right to abuse hyperbole. 
Jun 05 18:24:20 <drakensis>   Lancre
Jun 05 18:24:38 <The_Bee>   thanks, drakensis
Jun 05 18:24:42 <Evie>   OK, back
Jun 05 18:24:44 <DesertRose>   WB
Jun 05 18:24:49 <drakensis>   np Bee
Jun 05 18:25:14 <The_Bee>   What's hyperbole ever done to you, DR?
Jun 05 18:25:21 <DesertRose>   
Jun 05 18:26:01 <DesertRose>   Perhaps I should have chosen the word "overuse" instead of "abuse" in that sentence.
Jun 05 18:26:28 <Evie>   Flog it with a wet noodle
Jun 05 18:26:30 <DesertRose>   LOL
Jun 05 18:27:24 <DesertRose>   Carys has awakened from her nap and is now chilling out on top of my printer, watching me type.
Jun 05 18:27:43 <Evie>   I need to remember to cut Grania's dress out before I sew Rhuys' dress together, since I'm using it as the pattern.
Jun 05 18:27:48 <DesertRose>   I may have to move her furry feet before she makes yet another copy of nothing.
Jun 05 18:27:48 <The_Bee>   HI, Carys
Jun 05 18:28:06 <Evie>   Hello, Miss Printer-Tester
Jun 05 18:28:15 <DesertRose>   LOL, yup, that's my kitty. 
Jun 05 18:28:23 <DesertRose>   Nope, she moved her furry feet on her own.
Jun 05 18:28:32 <Eyikl>   At least she's not trying to sit on your keyboard.
Jun 05 18:28:40 <The_Bee>   Rhuys?
Jun 05 18:28:53 <DesertRose>   No, she doesn't usually try to SIT on the keyboard.  She tries to WALK across it while I'm typing.
Jun 05 18:28:56 <Evie>   At least you don't have computer windows mysteriously vanishing while you try to type, only to discover it's your cat repeatedly stepping on the Esc key while she watches you for a reaction.
Jun 05 18:29:00 <Evie>   Thanks, Gigi.
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Jun 05 18:29:25 <Evie>   The other Haldane princess, Bee. Names taken from the Codex.
Jun 05 18:29:25 <DesertRose>   I get random capslock, though, because Carys will curl up to the left of the keyboard and put her head down on the capslock key.
Jun 05 18:29:28 <KK>   Well, I hear the sounds of tea being poured, so I think I'll check out.  Have a good week, all of you.  And see you next week at the regular time.
Jun 05 18:29:43 <The_Bee>   Did BtE jump or was she pushed?
Jun 05 18:29:47 <DesertRose>   Okay, thanks for coming to see us, KK.  Have a good week and see you next week!
Jun 05 18:29:49 *   KK steps onto her Portal, waves goodnight, and disappears in a shower of green sparkles.
Jun 05 18:29:49 <Evie>   Goodnight, KK!
Jun 05 18:29:50 <jemler>   nite kk. have a good week.
Jun 05 18:29:52 <drakensis>   bye
Jun 05 18:29:53 <DesertRose>   G'night, KK!
Jun 05 18:29:58 <Eyikl>   goodnight KK
Jun 05 18:29:58 <KK>   Nighters, all.
Jun 05 18:30:06 <The_Bee>   Have a good week, KK. Thanks for coming.
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