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KK Chat -- 4 January 2015 Part 1
« on: January 04, 2015, 06:09:33 pm »
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:10:57 PM] Join KK has joined this channel.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:10:59 PM] <The_Bee> Annie, you can get many places without a car her in Boston. Whether you can get a seat during rush hour is another question
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:04 PM] <Evie> hi,KK!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:04 PM] <The_Bee> Hi KK!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:05 PM] <Dennis> Hi, Evie, Annie, Jemler.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:08 PM] <Dennis> Hi, KK!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:10 PM] <Jemler> hi kk
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:16 PM] <drakensis> good evening KK, thanks for agreeing to try earlier chats
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:18 PM] <Shiral> Happy New Yea, Katherine. We meet again at last. =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:21 PM] <KK> Hello, all.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:31 PM] <The_Bee> Shiral must have used the right bait.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:39 PM] <Annie> hi KK
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:41 PM] <KK> And a happy new year to you all.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:44 PM] <revanne> Hi KK earlier chat much appreciated
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:47 PM] <Shiral> The panetone worked perfectly =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:11:49 PM] <The_Bee> to you also
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:12:01 PM] <Dennis> Six of one, half a dozen of the other. There's always a seat in your car during rush hour, but somtimes pedestrians are walking faster than you
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:12:02 PM] <The_Bee> panetone?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:12:04 PM] <Dennis> 're driving.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:12:06 PM] <Annie> That's good to know, Bee.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:12:15 PM] <Shiral> Italian Christmas bread, Bee
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:12:44 PM] <Annie> I'm excited to see a state that isn't Florida!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:12:45 PM] <Shiral> It's really delicious. Been my family's Christmas breakfast treat for the last decade, now
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:12:46 PM] <revanne> Yummy Italian Christmas bread
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:12:53 PM] <Annie> Nothing against Florida, you understand...
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:12:58 PM] Join Kildara has joined this channel (Mibbit@OWIRCN-9c9591f2.pa.comcast.net).
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:10 PM] <Evie> KK, I have a Transfer Portal question, although I've already figured out a work-around, I think. I know TP's have to be grounded on stone or earth, but if an upper-story room has a stone floor, would that work, or would a TP need to be on the ground floor?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:11 PM] <Shiral> It's a yeast bread with raisins in it, just a little bit sweet
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:14 PM] <Shiral> Hi Kildara
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:19 PM] <Dennis> KK, did you get the email I sent with the link to some of Rebecca's errata?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:26 PM] <The_Bee> glad to help, annie
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:31 PM] <Kildara> Hi, all
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:37 PM] <revanne> We had it for Christmas brunch this year
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:41 PM] <Evie> hi Kildara
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:52 PM] <Jemler> evie, camber made a portal in the upper story of grecotha. it moved from corner to corner.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:57 PM] <The_Bee> Hi Kildara
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:13:58 PM] <Annie> hi Kildara.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:14:14 PM] <KK> Yes, Dennis. Haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but I'm sure it will be ueful.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:14:33 PM] <The_Bee> In one case, the space under the floor was filled with earth.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:14:47 PM] <Dennis> I hope so.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:14:58 PM] <KK> Stone floor would work. Think of the one adjacent to the library.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:15:00 PM] <Evie> I really need to reread the Camber era books. Maybe this year
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:15:04 PM] <Shiral> I have the impression that the Rhemuth Castle library portal is not on the ground floor, either
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:15:35 PM] <revanne> The portal in the library originally made for javan
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:15:53 PM] <Shiral> Thanks for The King's Deryni dedication, KK =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:16:11 PM] <Annie> Ooh, yes, KK. That was awesome!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:16:18 PM] <The_Bee> Ywes! My family was duly impressed.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:16:31 PM] <Evie> OK. Though for a modern-day Deryni story, I'm thinking of putting one in a ground floor maintenance closet adjoining an underground garage, with a private lift directly to a warded room in the top floor penthouse suite.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:17:20 PM] <Evie> But that's mainly because I like the thought of having visitors forced to cool their heels in a waiting room area before being allowed in past the wards to the main apartment. :D
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:17:25 PM] <KK> Hmmm, that would work for me, I suppose. But why not put it in the penthouse suite to begin with?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:17:37 PM] <Evie> Double layers of security
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:17:51 PM] <Shiral> Humbling for anyone you want to humble?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:18:20 PM] <Dennis> How's this for the first line of a Gwynnedd Christmas Carol: Murdoch was dead: to begin with. There is no doubt whatever about that. This must be distinctly understood, or nothing wonderful can come of the story I am going to relate.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:18:43 PM] <Shiral> Materialize in the closet and get clocked in the eye with a broom and dustpan.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:18:46 PM] <Evie> LOL! That's certainly an attention grabber.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:18:54 PM] <revanne> In my experience underground garages have their own in built security - they're impossible to get out of
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:18:57 PM] <Dennis> Heh/
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:19:08 PM] <The_Bee> Who's Scrooge?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:19:22 PM] <drakensis> and which Murdoch?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:04 PM] <Dennis> Tammaron, and Murdoch himself, not one of his kids.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:15 PM] Join Aerlys has joined this channel (~ae1fa6ba@OWIRCN-1bdd9d77.org).
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:19 PM] <Evie> hi Aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:21 PM] <Jemler> hi aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:22 PM] <The_Bee> Hi Aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:25 PM] <Dennis> I'll probably never get a chance to write it, cos I just started a freelance gig, but the idea tickles me.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:27 PM] <Kildara> Hi, Aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:28 PM] <Annie> hi Aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:31 PM] <Dennis> Hi, Aerlys.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:36 PM] <revanne> Should not have drunk any wine while waiting for chat - I was trying to work out which tune to sing to -*bangs head on desk and goes to find black coffee*
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:45 PM] <The_Bee> freelance? Tell us more
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:50 PM] <Shiral> Hello Aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:53 PM] <Annie> LOL revanne!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:55 PM] <revanne> Hi Aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:20:56 PM] <Dennis> Freelance copyediting.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:21:08 PM] <KK> What tune did you have in mind for these lyrics?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:21:16 PM] <Jemler> yes. who is Lance? and why do you want to free him?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:21:17 PM] <The_Bee> Ah.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:21:24 PM] <Aerlys> Salvete, omnes! Mibbit doesn't like my new computer, either, so I had to use the back door.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:21:37 PM] <Jemler> oooohhh!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:21:44 PM] <revanne> Salve Aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:21:48 PM] <Annie> Mibbit was reluctant to let me in tonight.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:21:53 PM] <Dennis> He's the keeper of the semicolons, Jemler, and I need some.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:21:56 PM] <Shiral> Song? What did I miss, here?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:22:00 PM] <Evie> Bad Mibbit! No oatcake.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:22:21 PM] <Annie> Christmas Carol as in Dickens, I think.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:22:31 PM] <Aerlys> Oooh, now we have songs?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:22:50 PM] <revanne> I've overdosed on Christmas carols (and wine) and didn't get the reference to Scrooge
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:22:53 PM] <Shiral> Sung by Gwydion
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:22:54 PM] <Aerlys> Very nice, Dennis
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:23:16 PM] <Shiral> Yeah. Much as I love Christmas carols....I've had enough of them for a while. =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:23:17 PM] <Jemler> given the story of Scrooge, how about "Money" by Pink Floyd?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:23:53 PM] <Dennis> Heh.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:23:54 PM] <Kildara> We sang 4 (or was it 5) carols in church today (last hurrah) - ALL the verses! It was fun though.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:24:02 PM] <Annie> I have to say it was odd spending the Christmas period in 70-odd degrees of heat and having speakers belting out "Let it Snow" and such all the time.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:24:17 PM] <Aerlys> Feeling a little winey tonight, revanne? :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:24:21 PM] <Evie> LOL
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:24:54 PM] <Shiral> Last year, it was really funny to hear "Jingle Bells" played on a slack key Hawaiian guitar on the beach in Maui
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:00 PM] <Annie> LOL
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:01 PM] <The_Bee> I have a love-hate relationship with Silent Night. It can be lovely, but the way some people sing it it...can..drag...
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:08 PM] <Shiral> NOBODY was "dashing through the snow."
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:10 PM] <Jemler> imagine how fans of the Pittsburgh Steelers are feeling! :) (American football)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:12 PM] <Aerlys> Oh, hi Annie. Long rime no chat. :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:13 PM] <Evie> I have finally repainted my Liturgical Nails to reflect Christmas Season, almost too late
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:21 PM] <revanne> Our organist was poorly so we had to use backing tracks off my kindle - worked quite well but the organist will be welcomed back with open arms next week!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:22 PM] * Annie waves
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:27 PM] <Dennis> Dashing through the sun, in a pair of tennis shoes....
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:39 PM] <revanne> Lol Aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:25:54 PM] <Shiral> Or "Dashing through the waves, in a bathing suit and shirt..."
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:26:03 PM] <Annie> Spawn's last school Christmas carol concert done and dusted.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:26:15 PM] <The_Bee> "o'er the sunes we go, drinking lots of booze"
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:26:16 PM] <Annie> No more freezing in Peterborough Cathedral.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:26:25 PM] <Evie> KK, revanne's church is a lovely building that dates back to Norman (or is it Saxon?) times, IIRC.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:26:27 PM] <Dennis> Nice, Bee!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:26:27 PM] <Aerlys> DH grew up in Phoenix. His family had Christmas barbecues. Just. Feels. Wrong.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:27:12 PM] <revanne> Existing building is Norman but probably a wooden Saxon Church before that. Definitely freezing though
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:27:14 PM] <Kildara> Jealous of revanne's building......
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:27:23 PM] <Shiral> Also feels really weird to be snorkeling on Christmas morning. =o) This year, we were back to our usual Christmas activities. In fact it was very chilly in Monterey and Santa Cruz
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:27:24 PM] <Kildara> except for the cold part
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:27:25 PM] <Evie> If Alkari were here, she'd tell you Christmas belongs in the middle of summer. :D
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:27:36 PM] <Jemler> Dashing thru the sands, with a bomb strapped to my back. i have a master plan for christmas in iraq. i got thru check point a, but not thru check point b. thATt's where i got shot in the ass by the U.S. military! - Achmed the Dead Terrorist.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:27:52 PM] <The_Bee> Alkari may still be asleep at this hour.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:27:54 PM] <Dennis> Oy.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:27:55 PM] <revanne> Except when it's so cold that I have to wear fingerless mitts to pick up the chalice
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:27:59 PM] <Aerlys> Many are cold, revanne, but few are frozen. :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:28:03 PM] * Shiral lobs a lobster at Jemler
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:28:17 PM] <Kildara> Aerlys - ouch!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:28:20 PM] <Evie> Argh, Aerlys!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:28:24 PM] <Jemler> butter! i need butter! :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:28:35 PM] <Dennis> Which ones return to the sunlit lands, Aerlys?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:28:41 PM] <revanne> revanne lobs a packet of frozen fish fingers at Aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:28:43 PM] <Kildara> Chipping the ice in the lavabo bowl?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:28:46 PM] <drakensis> Hmm. that's one thing my mother probably doesn't have to worry about (she's a methodist minister but most of their churches were built with heating)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:29:12 PM] <drakensis> Just down the road from you in fact, revanne.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:29:12 PM] <Shiral> I feel sorry for any baby needing a baptism at this time of year at that church. Brrr!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:29:35 PM] <Evie> Well, that's because the number of Norman-era Methodist churches has to be pretty much next to nonexistant, drakensis. ;-)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:29:43 PM] <KK> Love that, Aerlys.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:29:46 PM] <Dennis> KK, did you have the Haldane and Furstan genealogy worked out before Codex, or did you and Rob do it together?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:29:52 PM] <The_Bee> Where are you, Revanne?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:29:55 PM] <drakensis> quite literally, Evie
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:30:02 PM] <revanne> December 2010 when we had the coldest December for 100 years the water in the Holy Water Stoop froze solid for a month. No-one told me you were supposed to put salt in it
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:30:04 PM] <drakensis> unless you mean Norman tebbit
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:30:06 PM] <KK> I had it worked out. He filled in a few of the gaps.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:30:16 PM] <Dennis> I understand Methodists were very much a minority in the Norman era.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:30:35 PM] <Kildara> Yeah, but revanne, it's not enough salt to matter, I don't think
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:30:36 PM] <drakensis> most nonconformists did poorly in that era
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:30:41 PM] <Shiral> Poor Xenia. =o( I hope Sigismund didn't treat her too badly once they were back in Arkadia
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:31:02 PM] <revanne> On your bike Drakensis ( sorry in UK joke)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:31:03 PM] <Jemler> rtfm
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:31:19 PM] <Shiral> It was nota time when self-exploration was encouraged, to say the least
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:31:21 PM] <Evie> (Dennis and drakensis, you both just made me laugh out loud in public. :D )
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:31:22 PM] <KK> Is that dracken- sis, as in sister of dragon, or drachen'-sis, with accent on the en?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:31:26 PM] <Aerlys> When I was in boarding school, they would wait as long as possible to turn on the furnaces to heat the buildings, because of the expense. I remember sleeping in my down coat. The boys were plotting to put the holy water fonts in the freezer and sneak the back in the chapel before Father D. woke up so he'd finally turn on the heat.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:31:44 PM] <Annie> Would you mind if I asked you a quick question about collaborations, KK?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:00 PM] <KK> Sure.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:06 PM] <Jemler> or as in Drachenwald?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:15 PM] <drakensis> alas it's a reference to some truly objectionable people in a S M Stirling novel.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:16 PM] <KK> (That, too.)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:20 PM] <Dennis> Do we have an agreed time limit on tKD spoilers in chat?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:29 PM] <Annie> Evie says you're a plotter, and Deborah from the Adept series is a pantser.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:35 PM] <Kildara> I lived in a boarding house in grad school (one winter only) with no heat on the third floor (my room), and a crack in the window. I studied in gloves and hat
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:39 PM] <revanne> I'm on the Wirral a little peninsula just across the Mersey from Liverpool. it sometimes doesn't appear on maps of the UK which is a bit freaky
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:43 PM] <KK> I think you folk can discuss freely, as I suspect most of you have now read it.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:46 PM] <drakensis> were I to choose a moniker these days I might choose another, but after 20 odd years I'm more or less stuck with it
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:32:57 PM] <Annie> How did you make that work? Did you have a particular system you used?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:33:16 PM] <Evie> In other words, revanne, it's like Brigadoon?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:33:34 PM] <Evie> Does it only appear every 200 years, for just one night?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:33:37 PM] <KK> You mean collaboration. Annie?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:33:38 PM] <Shiral> That would make it tough to get to chat, wouldn't it? =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:33:41 PM] <Annie> Yup
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:33:42 PM] <Jemler> `/me sings 'Ferry cropss the Mersey'
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:33:49 PM] * Jemler sings 'Ferry cropss the Mersey'
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:33:53 PM] <revanne> Feels like it sometimes
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:34:05 PM] <revanne> Well I have only just made caht
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:34:05 PM] <Dennis> Did the Mersey need to be cropped?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:34:10 PM] <revanne> or even chat
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:34:13 PM] <Annie> Looks like I might be working with a serious plotter, and I'm a died-in-the-wool pantser.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:34:32 PM] <Evie> Do you need to be resurrected, Annie?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:34:34 PM] <Jemler> rentde fngiers! llo
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:34:56 PM] <Annie> And we've written together well on specific short passages, but he's proposed a longer piece and I am a little worried.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:35:15 PM] <Aerlys> *dawns on me* Revanne! You figured out chat!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:35:26 PM] <revanne> They play "Ferry across the Mersey" each time on the ferry - the first 20 or so are ok
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:35:41 PM] * Evie dies laughing. Slow tonight, Aerlys?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:36:15 PM] <Aerlys> It's been a long and hectic Christmas break, Evie
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:36:23 PM] <Dennis> Heh.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:36:42 PM] <KK> In my collaborations with DTH, the only one I've aver worked with, I was senior author, and thus had the last word. I think it has to be agreed ahead of time that one person has the last word. For us, I would do most of the outline, we'd agree on it, then she would prose the first draft and I'd polish and expand as necessary. Some sections I wrote from the
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:36:44 PM] <Evie> drakensis is there too. That's what happens when chat starts two hours early; the UK members show up! :D
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:36:47 PM] <Jemler> we are gather here today to bury evie. in the name of the father, and of the son, and into the hole she goes! amen.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:36:48 PM] <Dennis> Missy-cat thinks so too.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:37:30 PM] <Dennis> You'd make a wonderful Bishop, Jemler.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:37:38 PM] <Evie> So sweet of you, jemler. Excuse me, I need to go load the lobster launcher.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:37:38 PM] <revanne> revanne thinks of a long distance fish to fire at Jemler
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:37:44 PM] <revanne> This is fun folks
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:37:47 PM] <Aerlys> No, Evie, revanne and I had a pm discussion about trying to sort out chat.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:37:49 PM] <KK> LOL, Evie.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:38:35 PM] <revanne> I'm a technophobe and usually any bit of electronic equipment curls up and dies when it sees me coming
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:38:39 PM] <drakensis> I've collaberated on some fanfiction and I'd have to agree it worked best when one person had the final word. then again that might be me saying because I ususally had said last word.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:38:41 PM] <Aerlys> live lobsters, I'm sure
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:38:45 PM] <Jemler> i would make LOUSY bishop. i couldn't handle trying to move at an angle all the time!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:38:59 PM] <Annie> OK, that sounds feasible, KK. We've already discussed having "his" project and "my" project, rather than two projects that were equally ours.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:39:09 PM] <Dennis> Well, you've certainly rooked me.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:39:16 PM] <Shiral> I'm generally not a collaborative author, whatever I happen to be working on.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:39:26 PM] <Evie> I was hoping to pawn you off, jemler
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:39:33 PM] <Annie> Was there an advantage to the plotter being the lead writer, or do you think it could work equally well both ways?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:39:47 PM] <Jemler> on that note, i'll say "good knight"
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:39:47 PM] Nick You are now known as DesertRose.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:39:53 PM] <Shiral> Hello, DR
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:39:58 PM] <Jemler> hi dr
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:40:03 PM] <DesertRose> Hello all. Sorry, I had to run out to do an errand.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:40:08 PM] <Dennis> Yeah, my idea of collaboration is being told by the editor that I can line edit to my heart's content without any input from the author. :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:40:09 PM] <DesertRose> How is everybody?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:40:10 PM] <Annie> We really work well, and have skill sets that complement each other, so I think it could work.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:40:11 PM] <Evie> Hi, DR! Taking advantage of the new fabric stash, I see.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:40:13 PM] <revanne> hello DR
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:40:18 PM] <Aerlys> dodging flying crustaceans too much for you, Jemler?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:40:19 PM] <Dennis> Hi, DR!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:40:21 PM] <Jemler> i'm hip deep; in lobsters
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:40:27 PM] <DesertRose> Yes, indeed. I had to buy some thread for the chemises.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:41:00 PM] <Aerlys> sounds like you are in a pinch, Je,ler
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:41:05 PM] <Aerlys> jemler
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:41:13 PM] <Evie> He's always in hot water
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:41:14 PM] * Annie groans
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:41:19 PM] <Shiral> and feeling crusty
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:41:36 PM] <Evie> He likes to be buttered up
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:41:38 PM] <Jemler> or is that crabby?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:41:41 PM] <Dennis> Well, he gets so many people boiling hot.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:42:15 PM] <drakensis> when he comes out of his shell?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:42:23 PM] <Jemler> last time i preside at a funeral.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:42:28 PM] <Evie> :D
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:42:43 PM] <Shiral> But you might preside over a stock pot, Jemler =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:42:53 PM] <KK> What kind of chemises, DR?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:15 PM] <Evie> .
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:20 PM] Join Laurna has joined this channel (Mibbit@OWIRCN-b94a57fc.res.rr.com).
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:22 PM] <revanne> That fabric sounded wonderful
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:28 PM] <Shiral> Evie is feeling periodic
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:29 PM] <Evie> Hi Laurna!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:31 PM] <The_Bee> Hi Laurna
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:33 PM] <Laurna> Oh everyone is here
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:36 PM] <Shiral> Hi Laurna
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:39 PM] <Jemler> hi laurna
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:44 PM] <drakensis> hello
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:45 PM] <Shiral> Everyone who's anyone =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:46 PM] <Evie> was just checking to make sure I didn't get dropped from chat
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:47 PM] <Laurna> sorry I am late. I was at the fabric store
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:44:56 PM] <revanne> Hi Laurna
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:45:23 PM] <revanne> Think I have an addiction to fabric, wouldn't matter if I could sew
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:45:24 PM] <Laurna> Hi Revanne. great to have you here
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:45:27 PM] <Annie> hi Laurna
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:45:31 PM] <revanne> Great to be here
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:45:49 PM] <Shiral> Fabric stores are dangerous. Last winter, I went into one on a whim and came home with a new sewing machine
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:45:53 PM] <Laurna> ANNIE! Cool! Hi!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:46:13 PM] <KK> I like that kind of danger, Shiral!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:46:15 PM] <Kildara> hi, Laurna
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:46:20 PM] <Annie> LAURNA! :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:46:28 PM] <Laurna> Nothing dangerous about a sewing michine, I have 14
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:46:35 PM] <Annie> 14?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:46:38 PM] <DesertRose> I'm sorry, KK, I got distracted. I'm making basically 16th C. chemises to go under a bodice and skirt.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:46:40 PM] <Evie> LOL, revanne! What do you do with your fabric, just stare at it longingly?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:46:51 PM] <Shiral> I was quite shocked with myself at the time, KK. I had NO idea I even wanted a sewing machine.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:47:01 PM] <Kildara> 14! I thought I had a lot of machines - I have 5 and a serger
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:47:02 PM] <Laurna> Yep. At least 5 of them are treddle antiques though
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:47:03 PM] <Shiral> I guess I did, though. =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:47:06 PM] <KK> Chemises, plural? More than one bodice and skirt?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:47:45 PM] <DesertRose> Well, I'm going to sew one for my daughter (it's already cut out and ready to go), and one for myself, so yes, chemises, plural. :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:47:53 PM] <Shiral> Laurna, are you planning on starting a garment factory? =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:47:54 PM] <KK> Sigh. I miss sewing. This past year, didn't have time to do more than mend things.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:47:55 PM] <revanne> Sort of and fantasize about what I'll make with it when I have the time.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:05 PM] <Kildara> Maybe it's for layering....
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:24 PM] <Annie> Pricing up flights. Three options for paying: money, miles, miles plus money.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:28 PM] <Aerlys> I have two sewing machines. They are sitting in the closet, taunting me. Then, when I touch them they go kaplooey on me
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:36 PM] <Laurna> I sewed for my sister for awile making victorian stuff. but not so much anymore
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:36 PM] <KK> (Does one layer sewing machines? Snert.)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:37 PM] <DesertRose> One of my SCA friends unloaded a boatload of fabric on me so all of a sudden I have a pile of garb projects on deck.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:37 PM] <Evie> You want to make little 1:6 scale liturgical vestments, revanne. :D
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:37 PM] <Annie> Should have fourth option: your firstborn child.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:38 PM] <Shiral> But if you'd sewed more, KK we'd have had to wait longer for TKD =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:40 PM] <Kildara> I have volunteered to make daughter's prom dress. I think I had a brief episode of insanity!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:43 PM] <Kildara> Or she did.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:48:59 PM] <Annie> Not that the tickets cost a lot or anything...
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:49:17 PM] <revanne> I learned to sew on my Nan's treadle - pre 1914!! - much preferred it to an electric sewing machine which usually runs off down the seam with me
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:49:28 PM] <Shiral> I'm headed to Mexico in February
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:49:41 PM] <DesertRose> I think I need another garb box, and DD definitely needs at least one.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:49:46 PM] <KK> Well, you world traveler, you!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:49:47 PM] <Evie> I'd trade my firstborn child for a plane ticket, only he's turned human again, so I've decided to keep him. :D
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:50:04 PM] <Kildara> One could layer sewing machines, I guess, especially when there are so many, but I meant chemises.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:50:11 PM] <Shiral> Art trip and a need for a vacation. Spending two weeks in Oaxaca
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:50:12 PM] <Annie> LOL Evie
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:50:17 PM] <Dennis> In the next Codex can Sigismund die in some horrible way? Like, the Graf Sigismund, becoming separated from his hunting party wandered lost and alone until he was torn to pieces by wolves?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:50:30 PM] <Kildara> That's what happens when chat gets moving too fast for my fingers or my brain!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:50:32 PM] <revanne> Kindred spirits I think Aerlys
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:50:38 PM] <The_Bee> I used a treadle once in 10th grade home economics in the 1950's much easier to control than electric
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:50:44 PM] <Shiral> Everyone seems to hate Sigismund...
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:50:58 PM] <KK> Now, why would you want to wish such a dire fate on Sigismund?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:50:58 PM] <Evie> I like how your mind works, Dennis
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:51:21 PM] <Shiral> Or make his ward cubes explode, or something?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:51:46 PM] <Evie> Or his ward cubes could be torn to pieces by wolves...no, wait.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:51:47 PM] <Dennis> I was thinking it would be a pretty dire fate for the wolves, actually. He's no Hubert, but his conduct wrt Xenia is awful.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:51:50 PM] <Laurna> That would be new Ward cubes that go hay wire. too fun
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:52:05 PM] <revanne> Anyone in mind to wear such liturgical vestments Evie??
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:52:16 PM] <Laurna> What does happen if you use the ward cubes wrongly
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:52:23 PM] <Evie> My little priest collection could always use more vestments. :D
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:52:33 PM] <revanne> :>)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:52:33 PM] <DesertRose> Yes, Kildara, a chemise is an undergarment that can double as a nightgown, actually.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:52:46 PM] <DesertRose> That's usually what I do at SCA events, sleep in my chemise.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:52:49 PM] <drakensis> even Camber was wary of experimenting, Laurna. Which suggests there could be dire consequences.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:52:58 PM] <KK> Has it occurred to any of you that Sigismund might actually have been fond of Xenia?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:53:03 PM] <The_Bee> I have a question about TKD, KK. When did Kenneth learn that Jamyl Arilan was Deryni? And who told him?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:53:22 PM] <Laurna> I always wanted to ask. Do ward Cubes allow for Oxigen to go through them or do you sufficate after a long time.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:53:24 PM] <Jemler> priests need more than one collar. otherwise if the one they had got dirty or wore out, he'd have to convert!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:53:25 PM] <Shiral> So....he had a case of love at first sight?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:54:00 PM] <Shiral> But I'll confess, I hope he WAS fond of her.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:54:02 PM] <revanne> Fairy liquid washing up bottles Jemler
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:54:03 PM] <KK> He learned it at the end of CM, Bee.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:54:04 PM] <Evie> He may have grown fond of her, but a less than 24 hours acquaintance before seducing (or coercing) her is hardly enough time for true feelings to have developed, so still doesn't excuse his initial behavior
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:54:05 PM] <Dennis> The text pretty strongly implied that he used magic to seduce her, which is rape.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:54:14 PM] <Laurna> No KK that never occured to me sorry , the Prick!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:54:38 PM] <The_Bee> thanks, KK
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:54:39 PM] <Shiral> I hope he treated her all right, at least
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:55:22 PM] <Dennis> If the text is wrong, which it could be, since it's Alaric's point of view, then yeah, the wolves should lay off of him.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:55:36 PM] <KK> I think he treated her well. After all, if she'd lived, he would have had charge of several Haldane heirs.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:55:41 PM] <Shiral> Well, maybe they can bite him ONCE for being a seducer. =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:56:03 PM] <Aerlys> in a choice location, Shiral?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:56:09 PM] <drakensis> I'm not sure how sound those Haldane heirs would have been considered given what happened to Salentina Festil.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:56:19 PM] <Shiral> I'll leave that up to the wolves, Aerlys =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:56:27 PM] <Dennis> Nigel and his heirs would still come before hypothetical children of Xenia, though, right?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:56:41 PM] <revanne> Definitely kindred spirits :>)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:56:44 PM] <KK> THeir marriage probably had at least as much affection involved as in many marriages of state. Politically, of course, it would not have been a good thing for Gwynedd.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:57:08 PM] <Shiral> And Xenia herself wouldn't have wanted to challenge her own brother's succession
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:57:22 PM] <revanne> Which wouldn't bode well for Nigel
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:57:42 PM] <KK> No, but if all the heirs ahead of her had been knocked off, she would have been in a strong position.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:57:44 PM] <Dennis> A possible opening for another Prince Festil, since Xenia's line would be senior to Nigels.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:57:52 PM] <drakensis> Haldanes leaving Gwynedd seem to typically renounce their inheritance rights - thus the Pirek-Haldanes not having a claim
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:57:55 PM] <Kildara> Xenia, maybe not, but her children or grandchildren might have been another story.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:58:05 PM] <Shiral> But men inherit before women in the Haldane line
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:58:30 PM] <drakensis> indeed, women don't seem to inherit at all under Haldane custom
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:58:43 PM] <drakensis> or Cinhil II's daughter would have succeeded him rather than Malcolm
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:58:49 PM] <Shiral> Not so far as we know in Gwyneddan history at least
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:59:44 PM] <Dennis> It would provide a veneer of legitimacy. Festil claimed the crown of Gwynedd as descendant of the senior line via Aidan I's daughter. Of course, his real claim was that he'd killed the king and all his family.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [05:59:55 PM] <KK> When one is desperate for an heir of the blood--well, blood is blood, whether it comes through male or female line. A woman would have been required to adopt her Haldane name, however, as is the case with modern Scottish inheritance. If you're to be the chief of a clan, you must be of that clan.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:00:47 PM] <Shiral> The Haldanes might produce a good princess analagous to Elizabeth I, down the line...
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:00:49 PM] <KK> If there's a living heir in the male line, he takes precedence. A woman would only inherit if there were no males ahead of her.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:01:25 PM] <Dennis> So Rhetice would only have inherited if Urien had no living sons,
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:01:51 PM] <The_Bee> elizabeth II was only heiress presumptive; a kid brother would have supplanted her.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:01:52 PM] <KK> (And--er-herm--Elizabeth might not have been a Tudor, or even a woman, according to some recent speculations.)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:01:59 PM] <Dennis> Also, was that story about Aelius Nemo in Codex Rob's invention? I'd like to hear more about the mystery princess.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:02:19 PM] <Dennis> Okay, that sounds even more fascinating than Rhetice. Elizabeth I was a man?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:02:26 PM] <The_Bee> Where did you hear THAT,KK?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:02:35 PM] <drakensis> Elizabeth not being a woman would have been... rather hard to hide
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:02:42 PM] <Laurna> Ah but Roger McLain did not take on the name MacInnis when he became earl of Kierney. And his sone Arnall did not take on Fitz- arthur when he became duke of Cassan
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:02:42 PM] <Shiral> Elizabeth was the last of Henry VIII's children to be crowned, but she was the best of the lot
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:02:55 PM] <drakensis> given her father would have been ecstatic and the history of england rather different
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:03:00 PM] <Evie> Especially given the extant portraiture, not to mention clothing bits
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:03:12 PM] <KK> But if the king says it's ok, then it's ok. Laurna.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:03:19 PM] <Annie> I thought the theory about Elizabeth being male had been debunked? Is it still rumbling on?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:03:26 PM] <Evie> If she wasn't a woman, she'd have to have been an extremely small man
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:03:32 PM] <The_Bee> and why would she disguise herself as a woman. Wouldn't henry VIII have been told Anne Boleys haad borne him a son?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:03:40 PM] <revanne> Am fascinated by that but doesn't sound very plausible otherwise Anne Boleyn would have been ok
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:03:44 PM] <drakensis> if she wasn't a woman, Anne Boleyn probably wouldn't have been executed
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:03:47 PM] <Shiral> Anne Boleyn might not have been executed if she'd given Henry a son...
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:03:57 PM] <drakensis> we're on the same page I see
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:04:00 PM] <The_Bee> exactly.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:04:04 PM] <Shiral> I see we're on the same wave length...LOL
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:04:34 PM] <Aerlys> (Nemo means "no one," BTW)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:04:47 PM] <Annie> No, the theory was that Elizabeth was female, but died and was replaced with a male impersonator.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:04:53 PM] <Annie> Let me see if I can find it.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:04:55 PM] <DesertRose> There's a theory out there that she had XY chromosomes but Androgen Insensivity Syndrome.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:05:00 PM] <Dennis> I understand Edward VI was a crazy little SOB. Had he lived a full life, England might have been in a bad way.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:05:31 PM] <revanne> Robert Dudley would have been the man to ask
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:05:35 PM] <KK> The theory goes that when the very young Elizabeth was being kept out in the countryside, she contracted an illness and died, and a young boy in the household, of the same approximate age, was substituted. And then it became impossible to set things right.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:05:36 PM] <drakensis> he was really too young to say. he would probably have been a more extreme protestant than Elizabeth
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:05:40 PM] <Annie> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2337774/Is-proof-Virgin-Queen-imposter-drag-Shocking-new-theory-Elizabeth-I-unearthed-historic-manuscripts.html
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:05:55 PM] <DesertRose> Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is when the body doesn't process the testosterone and other male hormones, so the body looks feminine but they don't have menses and can't bear children.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:06:34 PM] <drakensis> what might have been interesting would have been if Henry VIII's other son had outlived Edward. A male heir, but an illegitmate one, or two daughters of 'questionable' legitimacy
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:06:49 PM] <Shiral> At any rate, that's how the Stuarts ended up on the throne after 1601
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:06:52 PM] <DesertRose> Yeah, Henry Fitzroy.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:06:55 PM] <DesertRose> 1603.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:07:09 PM] <Shiral> Whatever the year! But they had problems of their own
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:07:13 PM] <DesertRose> :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:07:25 PM] <Evie> Surely it wouldn't have taken long for the palace laundresses to have noticed the lack of menses in a reigning Queen?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:07:30 PM] <DesertRose> The Stuarts were pains in the neck, pretty near the lot of them.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:07:49 PM] <DesertRose> You'd think, and Elizabeth's life was never private at all.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:07:51 PM] <revanne> Especially those that ended up beheaded
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:08:00 PM] <Shiral> And exiled
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:08:09 PM] <KK> Many(relatively speaking) women did not menstruate. Of course, they would have been barren.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:08:19 PM] <Jemler> actually henry was a pain in the neck. ask a few wives!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:08:31 PM] <Shiral> True, that!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:08:43 PM] <Shiral> He "Shortened" them
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:08:57 PM] <Evie> True, but in the case of a sovereign Queen, I would think her fertility or lack thereof would be a matter of public as well as private concern, being a matter of state
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:09:05 PM] <DesertRose> I have a biography of her by Alison Weir called "The Life of Elizabeth I." She says in the foreword that the working title was "The Private Life of Elizabeth I," but upon deep research, Elizabeth Tudor didn't have much in the way of privacy to HAVE a private life.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:09:27 PM] <Evie> as it was, she had to constantly sidestep the marriage question to maintain her independence
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:09:40 PM] <DesertRose> Yes, and she danced that dance well. :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:09:48 PM] <KK> As an aside, that's something that's never mentioned in fiction--how women handled this monthly predicament. It does partially explain why women didn't engage in the same sorts of adventures as their male counterparts.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:10:00 PM] <Evie> Like a pro. And given her childhood history, I can hardly blame her for not wanting to marry.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:10:06 PM] <revanne> I often wonder what sort of Queen Mary Tudor would have made if she hadn't married Philip of Spain
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:10:19 PM] <DesertRose> Cloth of some sort; it's not like they could go to WalMart and buy Always.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:10:26 PM] <DesertRose> Or Tampax.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:10:27 PM] <Shiral> It's why I'm glad to be a modern woman
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:10:31 PM] <DesertRose> Me too.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:10:38 PM] <DesertRose> That, and reliable contraception.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:10:44 PM] <Shiral> I think that's where "on the rag" came from
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:10:51 PM] <KK> Yep.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:10:59 PM] <DesertRose> Yeah, that's exactly where that phrase comes from.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:11:05 PM] <The_Bee> Just how was Philip of Spain related to Catherine of Aragon?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:11:05 PM] <Dennis> Tamora Pierce always makes a point of noting that her sheroes do things like menstruate.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:11:08 PM] <Evie> Cloth rags tied into place (and/or secured with braies) were known in period. Also sponge tampons, IIRC
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:11:13 PM] <Shiral> Mary Tudor was a fanatic. I think she would have been no matter WHO she married
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:11:27 PM] <Shiral> And a lot of people ended up nastily dead because of her
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:11:38 PM] <KK> Dennis, how does she have them handle that?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:11:46 PM] <drakensis> Philip was Catherine's great nephew
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:11:50 PM] <Dennis> The 16th century was a fertile breeding ground for fanatics.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:11:56 PM] <DesertRose> BRB, got to change the thermostat. I got rather badly rained on coming back from my errands, and I'm cold.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:12:01 PM] <drakensis> Catherine's sister Joanna had a son Charles, who had a son Philip
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:12:04 PM] <The_Bee> thanks, drakensis
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:12:16 PM] <drakensis> np
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:12:29 PM] <Dennis> Different ways.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:12:59 PM] <Shiral> Yes, departing Europe for the New World makes a lot of sense after all the wars fought over "the true religion"
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:13:00 PM] <DesertRose> Okay, back.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:13:27 PM] <drakensis> lord yes. I'm reading Europe's Tragedy, about the 30 years war
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:13:30 PM] <KK> I think Catherine would have been a fanatic RC, even without Philip. Many people did not approve of Henry setting himself above the CHurch over the matter of the King's Divorce.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:13:39 PM] <Dennis> Alanna is pretending to be a boy, so she has to sneak out of the palace to get help with her first period. And I think she notes that they always take a lot of clothes, etc. on campaign.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:13:51 PM] <Jemler> remembering henry viii. watch this clip from Dave Allen at large:
/>[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:14:07 PM] <Dennis> Not clothes, cloths.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:14:07 PM] <revanne> A lot of people ended up nastily dead with all the Tudors
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:14:11 PM] <Shiral> Anne Boleyn was pretty important to English history, all in all.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:14:16 PM] <DesertRose> Yes, yes she was.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:14:25 PM] <DesertRose> I find her fascinating, amongst other historical women.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:14:30 PM] <drakensis> Mary wasn't at all compromising. Elizabeth seemed to survive at least in part by avoiding getting committed to anything
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:14:42 PM] <Dennis> But if Edward of Middleham had been healthy, the Tudors might have been a nonissue.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:14:55 PM] <Shiral> And having a strong instinct to survive
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:14:56 PM] <The_Bee> Who?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:15:08 PM] <DesertRose> Katherine Swynford is probably my main obsession historically, but Eleanor of Aquitaine is another, and Anne Boleyn is another.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:15:11 PM] <revanne> Richard III's son
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:15:19 PM] <KK> Certainly, Elizabeth played her cards <very> close to her chest.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:15:26 PM] <Dennis> Richard III's son. He died in 1484, which is on reason RIchard didn't try to escape at Bosworth Field.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:15:27 PM] <DesertRose> Didn't he die at age 10 or so, Edward of Middleham?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:15:29 PM] <Dennis> He had no heir.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:15:32 PM] <drakensis> DR: have you read She-Wolves of England?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:15:47 PM] <DesertRose> No, I haven't. Would love to, though. Might see if my library has it.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:15:56 PM] <Dennis> Yup. Like Edward VI (and possibly Edward V), he was a sickly boy.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:16:10 PM] <KK> I'm also fond of Katherine Swynford.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:16:11 PM] <Laurna> Ooch! Jemler!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:16:27 PM] <Shiral> Haven't heard of Katherine Swynford
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:16:34 PM] <DesertRose> I have a biography of her called "Mistress of the Monarchy" also by Alison Weir.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:16:46 PM] <DesertRose> She was John of Gaunt's mistress and later third wife.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:16:50 PM] <KK> Second wife of the Black Prince, contemporary of Chaucer.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:16:52 PM] <Dennis> Do you draw any mental parallels between Haldane Kings and real life monarchs?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:17:30 PM] <KK> Oops, it was John of Gaunt. But the Black Prince was in there somewhere.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:17:32 PM] <DesertRose> Katherine Swynford was Chaucer's sister-in-law. Her sister Philippa was Chaucer's wife.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:17:42 PM] <DesertRose> The Black Prince was John of Gaunt's older brother.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:17:49 PM] <KK> There's an excellent historical novel simply called Katherine, which you should seek out.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:17:53 PM] <DesertRose> I have it. :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:14 PM] <Jemler> and john of gaunt was aan early ancestor of lord voldemort.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:15 PM] <Dennis> The Black Prince's wife was the Fair Maid of Kent (Joan).
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:15 PM] <DesertRose> Of all the people in the world to recommend it to me, my SHAKESPEARE professor in college/unit did.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:19 PM] <The_Bee> Have any of you read"The Sunne inSplendour"?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:23 PM] <Evie> Evie smacks Jemler upside the head with a mackerel
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:23 PM] <revanne> By Anya Seton
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:26 PM] <DesertRose> Yup.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:30 PM] <Jemler> lol
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:32 PM] <revanne> Yes
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:47 PM] <DesertRose> I was actually re-reading it for about the hundredth time when the library emailed me that I can haz TKD. :)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:18:53 PM] <Evie> I love Sharon Kay Penman's books
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:19:17 PM] <DesertRose> (I'm still talking about Katherine by Anya Seton, not The Sunne In Splendour.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:19:33 PM] <Dennis> I should read that. I'm fascinated with the Wars of the Roses.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:19:47 PM] <Evie> (The Sunne in Splendour is a Penman book)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:20:30 PM] <DesertRose> *unit = uni
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:20:35 PM] <DesertRose> I can't believe I didn't catch that typo.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:21:06 PM] <DesertRose> BRB, tea
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:21:09 PM] <revanne> My mum was christened in Sutton Cheney Church where Richard III last heard Mass before the battle of Bosworth. Richard III is going to be reburied in Leicester Cathedral but the funeral procession will go through Sutton Cheney. Sorry my mum isn't around to see it
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:21:35 PM] <Jemler> rick 3 wont see it either.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:21:52 PM] <Shiral> They don't wan the parking ramp to continue to be haunted by RIchard III? =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:21:52 PM] <revanne> Indeed!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:22:18 PM] <Annie> And he was born in Fotheringhay, which isn't far from me. The castle's not there anymore, but the village is nice, and the church has a commemorative window.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:22:26 PM] <revanne> They want the tourists says she cynically
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:22:26 PM] <KK> I gather that your mum was a serious Richard III fan.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:22:27 PM] <Laurna> So much history Love it.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:22:35 PM] <Evie> We never find dead kings in our parking lots. *pout*
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:22:50 PM] <Shiral> Not so much as a dead duke!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:22:58 PM] <Annie> I read "Daughter of Time" at a formative age. It was the start of an obsession.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:00 PM] <Laurna> lol
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:05 PM] <Dennis> Heh.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:06 PM] <The_Bee> I understand Richard III was well loved in the north
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:10 PM] <Evie> Unless he's a dog named Duke, then no, quite sadly
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:14 PM] <The_Bee> I read that too.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:15 PM] <drakensis> Evie: very few dukes in 15th century North America
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:18 PM] <Jemler> where did they bury duke ellington, and elvis?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:19 PM] <Shiral> But Alaric is learning very well how to defend himself
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:23 PM] <revanne> My mum was a serious history freak and Richard III is Leicester's only claim to fame
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:41 PM] <Shiral> Hence our failure to find any buried in American parking structures =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:56 PM] <drakensis> surely not. Robert Dudley was Earl of Leicester
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:57 PM] <Dennis> There's always John Wayne.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:23:59 PM] <The_Bee> except maybe Jimmy Hofa.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:24:13 PM] <Shiral> But HE wasn't a duke =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:24:25 PM] <drakensis> His father was, IIRC.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:24:29 PM] <revanne> Yes but he was too busy chasing Elizabeth I to actually live there
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:24:30 PM] <Evie> I doubt very much that John Wayne, Elvis, or Ellington are to be found under any parking lots either.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:24:38 PM] <revanne> Or indeed die there
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:24:39 PM] <Dennis> Probably not, no.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:24:47 PM] <Shiral> Jimmy HOffa? Oh wait, Robert Dudley. Never mind =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:24:48 PM] <Evie> Though it remains to be seen about Jimmy Hoffa
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:25:15 PM] <Jemler> jimmy hoffa ran off with his lover db cooper
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:25:16 PM] <The_Bee> or remains not to be seen.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:25:22 PM] <KK> Doubtful that his "remains" will ever be found.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:25:38 PM] <Evie> I was just trying to imagine Duke Jimmy Hoffa. Not working.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:25:42 PM] <Shiral> At this point, they probably won't
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:25:49 PM] <Shiral> Not for me, either, Evie
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:25:55 PM] <revanne> I read "Daughter of Time" too
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:26:02 PM] <DesertRose> Evie, your mind is amazing. :P
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:26:23 PM] <Jemler> i have to order the ;last books of the wheel of time.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:26:24 PM] <The_Bee> There was news about Hoff'a remains may be being found last year, but it didn't pan out.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:26:25 PM] <Evie> Yes, it ought to be listed in Ripley's Believe It or Not, DR.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:26:29 PM] <DesertRose> ROFL
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:26:35 PM] <Shiral> Maybe you should write him into your modern Deryni tale, Evie =o)
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:26:40 PM] <Dennis> He's almost certainly not buried in the foundation of old Giants Stadium, which is kind of a pity.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:27:06 PM] <Evie> The story is set in Gwynedd, although Americia has been discovered across the Atalantic Ocean in this time period.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:27:31 PM] <Dennis> Speaking of characters I find fascinating, I wonder why Tammaron threw in with the other regents. He could probably have gotten every office he stole if he'd just been patient.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:27:46 PM] <Shiral> Francesca just arrived to say hello to you all
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:27:52 PM] <Evie> Impatience?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:27:55 PM] <Shiral> But I think she's hinting she wants her supper
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:27:57 PM] <DesertRose> Hey Shiral!
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:27:58 PM] <Dennis> Possibly.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:27:58 PM] <The_Bee> Hi Francesca
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:28:01 PM] <Evie> Hi, Francesca
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:28:02 PM] <DesertRose> Hi Francesca.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:28:06 PM] <Dennis> Missy-cat says hi.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:28:07 PM] <Shiral> Yes, DR?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:28:15 PM] <DesertRose> Sorry, I'm trying to do several things at once. I meant to say Hi Francesca.
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:28:34 PM] <Jemler> http://www.livescience.com/29519-england-atlantis-dunwich-mapped.html
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:28:35 PM] * Shiral rubs whiskers against the edge of the computer screen
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:28:51 PM] <Evie> Need to shave again, Shiral?
[Sunday, January 04, 2015] [06:28:53 PM] <KK> Shiral, you have whiskers?<
"If having a soul means being able to feel love, loyalty, and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans."

James Herriot (James Alfred "Alfie" Wight), when a human client asked him if animals have souls.  (I don't remember in which book the story originally appeared.)