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Descendants of Camber MacRorie, Earl of Culdi 
Nearly all information given here has been summarized from the ‘Codex Derynianus’ by Katherine Kurtz and Robert Reginald. Some information is from my reading of the novels of the Deryni Series and I have added a little of my own ‘Best Guess’ from what I know of this world. In those places I state “best guess’.
Enjoy, Laurna 3/23/2015

Descendants of Camber MacRorie- Deryni Genealogies Master Post
http://www.rhemuthcastle.com/index.php/topic,1441.0.html

Chart 2- House of Thuryn, de Courcy, and Fitz-Arthur Quinnell (generations 1-6)
(It may be necessary to have your computer at full screen to view the charts properly.)
1
+Camber Kyriell MacRorie          x         ~Jocelyn Lady de La Marche
8/3/846-1/6/918                   m5/18/871            7/21/848-12/12/896
                                                     |                                                                     
2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      |                         |                 |                   |                       |                   |
  +Cathan Adrian    Jerusha     Ballard       +Joram Angus        Ardissa         ++Evaine  Elspeth
    MacRorie            Died          Died            MacRorie,            Stillborn         Jessamyn MacRorie                   
    8/30/873-          age 12      age 11          Father                                     Thuryn                   
   12/1/903                                               11/23/878-948                         10/6/882- 8/1/918
   (See Chart 1)                                                                                             x
                                                                                                               m1/6/904
                                                                                                               ~Rhys Malachy Thuryn
                                                                                                               2/17/877-12/25/917
                             Children of Rhys  &  Evaine                                                |
3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       |                             |                                             |                                              |                 
 ++Aidan               ++1Rhysel Jocelyn                 ++2Tieg Joram                       ++3Jerusha Evaine
  Camber                 Thuryn Ainslie                       Thuryn                                   Jodotha Thuryn
   Thuryn                 11/18/910-10/23/974            8/1/914- 948                          Drummond
1/6/907- 12/31/917                                                                                         1/1/918-1/7/1001
  Died age 10              x                                             x                                            x
                                   m8/21/928                              m8/25/935                            m4/30/937
                                ~Robert (Robin) Ainslie         ~ Karis Lady D’Oriel              ~Cathan Cinhil         
                                  Hereditary Lord Argoed          7/14/917- 948                       Drummond
                                  4/1/901-2/3/949                           |                                 3/23/910-10/18/957
                                   |                                                 |                                             |
                                   |                                                 |                                     (See chart 1)
                                   |                                                 |             
4 ----------------------------------------------                   4 ---------------------------------------------------
        |                         |                      |                              |                   |              |                |
++1Bethany        ++1Javyl        ++1Tiphane               ++2Madelon  ++2Aine  ++2Jacuth ++2Lassa
    Ainslie                  Ainslie           Ainslie                         Thuryn       Thuryn     Thuryn        Thuryn
     c.929                  c.930            c.931-994                    c.936         c.937       c.938          c.939
       x                         x                     x                              x                 x              x                 x
     m?                         ?               m8/17/950                    m?               ?       (Fan-fiction:         ? 
~Alphard                                   ~Tammaron                  ~Jurgen                   Coins of Memory
 de Courcy                              Fitz-Arthur Quinnell           Lord Leslie                See chart 7)       
   Baron Stanzar                        Duke of Cassan                                       
      c.920                                   4/29/934- 994                                           
          |                                             |                                                             
 5 --------------------              5 ----------------------------------------------------------------                 
          |                                    |                               |                                        |                    
  ++1?de Courcy         ++1Swynbeth,              ++1Fane,twin                   ++1Nerina,twin                     
          |                         Fitz-Arthur                         Fitz-Arthur                        Fitz-Arthur                    
          |                         Quinnell                            Quinnell                            Quinnell                         
          |                          5/12/951-                        12/15/952-               12/15/952-                       
          |                                   x                               x                                       x                               
          |                          m5/9/972                          m?                                    m?                                    
          |                        ~Cluim Michael               ~Ardana                            ~Andrew                           
          |                          Reginaud Haldane          de Courcy                          McLain           
          |                                   |                      (Best guess-cousin                       |      
          |                                   |                    of Alphard de Courcy)                   |                  
6 ------------               6 -----------------          6 ----------------------        6 ----------------
          |                                   |                             |                                          |                         
 ++1??de Courcy          six children                  ++1Tambret II                   ++1Roger McLain                       
          |                       (See Chart 4)                Fitz-Arthur                         ?-1025
          |                                                          Quinnell                              x
          |                                                          ?- 6/15-17/1025                m? 
7-----------------                                                  x                                   ~Glorian   
++1Guiscard II de Courcy                               (See chart 3)                       Lady MacInnis 
Baron de Courcy and Stanzar                                                                    (See chart 3)
                                                                                           
        x  m?                                                                             
Lady Lune of Trevalga
         |
8 -----------------
         |
++1Michon Etienne Estephe de Courcy
    Baron de Courcy and Stanzar   
         x m?
+,++3Sylphe, Lady MacAthan(See chart 1)
         |
9 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       |                    |                           |                        |                   |                  |
   ++1,+,++3     ++1,+,++3            ++1,+,++3       ++1,+,++3     ++1,+,++3   ++1,+,++3
   Charolys          Aurelien                 Jehoram             Micheline         Fenelon         Chablys
   de Courcy     Baron de Courcy        de Courcy          de Courcy        de Courcy      de Courcy
                         and Stanzar
                              x m?
               +,++3Sieffani MacAthan(See chart 1)             Descendant of Etienne de Courcy
                               |                                                   Best Guess descendant of Alphard & Bethany
10 ---------------------------------------------                        Alcime’s parentage is not listed
        said to have several children                                             |
             |                                 |                         (8-10) ----------------------------------------------           
++1,+,++3,+,++3    ++1,+,++3,+,++3                                         |                                                       
                                                                                  Alcime Baron de Courcy in 1104             
                                                                                              x m ?
 (Fan fiction story Maidens of Mayhem                    Guinimande Lady Dembrun   
    by Evie Delacourt see Chart 7)                                                        |
                                                                         (9-11) -------------------------------------------------
                                                                                     |                                                     |
                                                                      +,++3,+,++3,++ older son      +,++3,+,++3,++Jorian
                                                                      Hereditary Baron de Courcy       de Courcy, Lord, Father
                                                                                                                    12/26/1083- 11/11/1104

                                                                       Estephe de Courcy   (ITKS)       Younger brother
                                                                       Knighted 1/6/1095   


Genealogy Notations

+           Cathan and his Descendants
++         Evaine and her Descendants
        ++1 Rhysel, ++2Tieg, ++3Jerusha
+,++     Descendants of both Cathan and Evaine
~           Married into the family line
(f)          Fanfiction character
mdate    date of marriage
c.date    circa date or “educated guess”


Descendants of Evaine Elspeth Jessamyn MacRorie Thuryn

Generation 3 Descendants of:

...Evaine, Camber.

++ Aidan Camber Thuryn, Deryni
      Born: January 6, 907     Died: December 31 917 age 10
      Son of Rhys Lord Thuryn and Evaine Lady MacRorie
      Fostered to Adrian Lord MacLean in Trurill
      Mistaken of Camlin MacLean he was tortured and killed by Manfred’s men

++1 Rhysel Jocelyn Thuryn Ainslie, Lady, Trained Deryni
      Born: November 18, 910     Died: October 23, 974
      Daughter of Rhys Lord Thuryn and Evaine Lady MacRorie
      Orphaned on August 1, 918, Raised by Fiona MacLean
      Married: Sir Robert Ainslie on August 21, 928
      3 Children: Lady Bethany (married Alphard Baron Stanzar); Sir Javyl (Lord of Argoed 973-); Lady Tiphane (married Tammaron Duke of Cassan),
~Robert Ainslie (Robin), Hereditary Lord Argoed, Lord Regent of Gwynedd, Sir
      Born: April 1 901    Died: February 3, 949
      Son of  Lord Ainslie, Baron of Old Argoed (lives 100 years and 5 days 873-973)  and Eilidh Lady Ballingmore(who were married on July 6, 900.)(Codex page 21)
      Grandson of Philibert d’Argent Lord Argoed and Jeronima Lady Corteskin
      Married: Rhysel lady Thuryn on August 21, 928
      Children: Lady Bethany (married Alphard Baron Stanzar); Sir Javyl (Lord of Argoed 973-); Lady Tiphane (married Tammaron Duke of Cassan),
      Died before his father.

++2 Tieg Joram Thuryn, Lord, Deryni Healer
      Born: August 1, 914   Died: 948
      Son of Rhys Lord Thuryn and Evaine Lady MacRorie
      Orphaned on August 1, 918, Raised by Fiona MacLean
      Married: Karis Lady D’Oriel on August 25 935
      4 Children: Lady Madelon (who married Jurgen Lord Leslie); Lady Aine; Lord Jacuth; Lady Lassa.
      Assisted Joram, Healer and able to Block powers
~Karis d’Oriel, Lady. Deryni
      Born: July 14, 917    Died: 948
      Only child of Oriel Lord de Bourg (Deryni Healer) and Alana lady Destaing
      Married: Tieg Lord thuryn on August 25, 935

++3 Jerusha Evaine Jodotha Thuryn Drummond, Lady, Deryni Healer
      Born: January 1, 918    Died: January 7, 1001
      Daughter of Rhys Lord Thuryn and Evaine Lady MacRorie
      Orphaned on August 1, 918, Raised by Fiona Lady MacLean
      Married: Sir Cathan Drummond on April 30, 937
      3 Children: Lady Kyriella (who married Stuart Lord MacAthan); Lord Corwin; Lady Evalina.
~Cathan Cinhil Drummond, Lord Regent of Gwynedd, Sir, Deryni
      Born: March 23, 910     Died: October 18, 957
      Son of James Lord Drummond and Elinor Lady Howell
      Brother to Michaela Queen of Gwynedd, Deryni
      Married: Jerusha Evaine Jodotha  on April 30,937
      His powers were blocked by Tavis on January 21, 918
      Squire to King Javan and then King Rhys Michael
      Powers restored on January 6, 928 by Tieg after his knighting
      Named Regent to King Owain July 5, 928
      (See Chart 1)

Generation 4 Descendants of:


...Rhysel, Evaine, Camber

++1 Bethany Ainslie, Lady, Half-Deryni
      Born: in or after 929    Died: ?
      Daughter of Robert Ainslie and Rhysel Jocelyn Thuryn
      Married: Alphard Baron Stanzar
      Children: Lord ?de Courcy
~Alphard de Courcy, Baron Stanzar and de jure Baron de Courcy, Deryni
      Born: in or after 920    Died:
      Son of Guiscard de Courcy (March 4, 892- May 11, 922) and Jael Lady Coanuy
      His uncle is Lord Huon de Courcy (Guiscard’s younger brother)
      May be Ancestor of Jorian de Courcy from 1083.
      (de jure= rights to)
             
      Family history of the de Courcy’s:
      Etienne Baron de Courcy, Lord, King Javan’s Confidential secretary,Deryni
          Born: November 22, 873     Died: May 20, 922
          Son of Leopard Baron de Courcy and the duchess Cygnette Lady Duc du Joux
          Married: Kenza lady Stiofan on June 23, 891
          Children: Lord Guiscard; Lord Huon; Lady Elvienne; Lady Fleurette.
          Etienne guarded the Rhemuth Portal, he saved Healer Oriel’s wife and daughter when Javan was killed. His powers were blocked by Tieg and  he returned to Rhemuth only to be tortured and killed.
      Guiscard de Courcy, Lord, Sir, Deryni
          Born: March 4 892, Died: May 11, 922 at King Javan’s side
          Married: Jael Lady Coanuy June 14,919,
          Children: Sir Alphard; Lady Shellyn
      Huon de Courcy, Lord, Deryni
          Second son of Etienne, Baron de Courcy
          Best guess Ardana Lady de Courcy (see Chart 3) is a granddaughter of Lord Huon

++1 Javyl Ainslie, Sir (later Lord of Argoed), Half-Deryni
       Born: in or after 930    Died:
       Son of Robert Ainslie and Rhysel Jocelyn Thuryn
       Lord of Argeod on October 24, 973, on the death of his grandfather.

++1 Tiphane Ainslie, Lady, Half-Deryni
       Born: in or after 930    Died:
       Daughter of Robert Ainslie and Rhysel Jocelyn Thuryn 
       Marries: Tammaron Fitz-Arthur Quinnell, Duke of Cassan on August 17, 950
       Children: Lady Swynbeth; Twins: Lord Fane and Lady Nerina
~Tammaron II Fitz-Arthur Quinnell, Duke of Cassan (948-994)
       Born: April 29, 934 *Codex page 301     Died: 994
       Son of Tambert I Fitz-Arthur Quinnel, Duke of Cassan and Adelicia, Lady of Horthness (married May 21,929. *Codex page 300.)
       Tammaron II became the second Duke of Cassan in 948 upon the death of his father.
       Marries: Lady Tiphane on August 17, 950 (*Codex page 302)
       Children: Lady Swynbeth; Lord Fane(twin); Lady Nerina(twin).

      Family of Fitz-Arthur Quinnell:
      Ambert Aloysius Quinnell, Sovereign Prince of Cassan
          Born: November 24, 853    Died: May 21, 921 after a long illness, age 67years
          Eldest son of Audebert prince of Cassan And Marianna Lady DuBois
          Married: Duvessa Lady Sinclair on July 15, 897
          Children: Princess Anne (who Married Fane Earl Fitz-Arthur; Princess Devika; Princess  Quenelda; Prince Antiochus(died at age 3); Prince Aloys(died at 3days).
          On September 22, 916 he signed a treaty with Cinhil I King of Gwynedd where by the Principality of Cassan would become a Duchy of Gwynedd.   (Codex page 30)
      Fane I Earl Fitz-Arthur
          Born: December 14, 895   Died: 948 age 52 years
          Son of Tammaron Earl Fitz-Arthur and Nieve Lady O Nuaillan.
          Married: Anne Quinnell, Hereditary heiress of Cassan on September 22, 916.
          Children:Lord Tambert (Later Duke of Cassan: Lady Anne( who married Owain King of Gwynedd); Lady Nieve: Lord Eldon(Later Earl Fitz-Arthur); Lady Ophelia; Lady Duvessine; Lord Nolan.
      Tambert I Fitz-Arthur Quinnell
          Born: August 9, 918   Died: September 29, 948
          Son of Fane Earl Fitz-Arthur and Anne Quinnell Princess of Cassan
          Married: Adelicia Lady Of Horthness (daughter of Rhun Earl of Sheele) on May 21 929
          Children: Tammaron later Duke of Cassan; Lord Fynn later Earl Derry;  lady Eldona; Lady Annetta
          Tambert I was the son of Fane Earl Fitz-Arthur and Anne Quinnell Princess of Cassan. He is the ancistor of the Fitz-Arthur Quinnell family line.
          Tambert I succeeded his grandfather, Ambert Quinnell and became the first Duke of Cassan (921-948) “under terms of an irrevocable agreement between Cassan and Gwynedd on September 22, 916” (*Codex page 60 and page 239)
     


...Tieg, Evaine, Camber

(There is a high chance that most of the children of Tieg Thuryn and Kairs D’Oriel would have carried the Healer abilities: a strong ability from both grandfathers.)

++2 Madelon Thuryn Leslie, Lady, Deryni
      Born:in or after 936     Died:
      Daughter of Tieg Joram Thuryn and Karis d’Oriel
      Married: Jurgen Lord Leslie,
~Jurgen Lord Leslie, Deryni
      Born:     Died:
      Son of
      Married: Lady Madelon Thuryn

++2 Aine Thuryn, Lady, Deryni
      Born: in or after 937     Died:
      Daughter of Tieg Joram Thuryn and Karis d’Oriel

++2 Jacuth Thuryn, Lord, Deryni
      Born: in or after 937    Died:
      Son of Tieg Joram Thuryn and Karis d’Oriel
      Children:
      (Fan-fiction Coins of Memory by Laurna- See chart 7)

++2 Lassa Thuryn, Lady, Deryni
      Born: in or after 938, Died
      Daughter of Tieg Joram Thuryn and Karis d’Oriel

...Jerusha, Evaine, Camber
      (See Chart 1- Drummond)


Generation 5 Descendants of:

… Bethany, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.

++1?de Courcy

… Javyl, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.

++1?Ainslie,Lord

… Tiphane, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.

++1 Swynbeth, Lady Fitz-Arthur Quinnell, Quarter-Deryni
      Born: May 12, 951 (*Codex page 302)  Died:
      Daughter of Tammaron Fitz-Arthur Quinnell, Duke of Cassan and Lady Tiphane
      Marries: Prince Cluim Earl of Carthan on May 9, 972 (*Codex page 304)
      Children: Prince Urien Owain; Princess Tiphanelle; Prince Jashan; Princess Ysylit; Prince Michael Rhys, twin; Princess Michaelina Rhyssa, twin.
~Cluim Michael Reginaud Haldane, King of Gwynedd(985-994), Earl of Carthane
       Born: April 24, 953   Died: December 18, 994
       Son of Uthyr King of Gwynedd and Grania MacInnis Countess of Culdi
       (See chart 4)

++1 Fane, Lord Fitz-Arthur Quinnell, Duke of Cassan (994-1016), Quarter- Deryni
       Born: December 15, 952 Twin to Nerina (*Codex page 302)  Died: 1016
       Son of Tammaron Fitz-Arthur Quinnell, Duke of Cassan and LadyTiphane Ainslie
       Married: Ardana De Courcy
       Children: Lord Tambret II; (best guess) Lady Prasanna (Mother of Cecilia, Lady Calder second wife of Malcolm Haldane).
~Ardana de Courcy, Lady, Best guess Full or Half-Deryni
      (Best guess- daughter of Lord Huon de Courcy who was the second son of Etienne Baron de Courcy. Therefore she is a cousin to Alphard de Courcy who has married Bethany Lady Ainslie.)
      (See chart 3)
   
++1 Nerina Fitz-Arthur Quinnell, Lady, Quarter-Deryni
      Born: December 15, 952 Twin to Fane (*Codex page 302)  Died:
      Daughter of Tammaron Fitz-Arthur Quinnell, Duke of Cassan and Lady Tiphane
      Married Andrew McLain Laird of House McLain (983-1003)
      Children: Lord Roger
~Andrew McLain,Laird of House McLain (983-1003)
      Children: Lord Roger McLain (Marries Glorian Lady MacInnis Heiress of Kierney on March 11, 990 (*Codex page 306)
      (See chart 3)

… Madelon, Tieg, Evaine, Camber.

++2 ?Leslie

… Aine, Tieg, Evaine, Camber.

++2 ?

… Jacuth, Tieg, Evaine, Camber.

++2?Thuryn
     (Fan-fiction story Coins of Memory by Laurna- see chart 7)

… Lassa, Tieg, Evaine, Camber.
 

++2 ?

Generation 6 Descendants of:

…  ?de Courcy, Bethany, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.

++1??deCourcy, Deryni

…Swynbeth, Tiphane, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.
(See chart 4)

…Fane, Tiphane, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.

(See chart 3)

…Nerina, Tiphane, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.
(See chart 3)

Generation 7 Descendants of:

… ??deCourcy, ?de Courcy, Bethany, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.

++1 Guiscard Titular Baron de Courcy and Stanzar, Deryni
       Born:     Died: November 20, 1059
       Married: Lady Lune MacGregor
       Children: Michon de Courcy (Hereditary Titular Baron de Courcy)
~Lune MacGregor, Lady of Trevalga, Deryni
      Daughter of Bonarld MacGregor, Count of Trevalga(1029-1055)
      (Trevalga is an estate within The Connait near the Border with Gwynedd. It was a place of refuge for several Deryni exiled families after 917. Codex page 249)

Generation 8 Descendants of:

… Guiscard, ??deCourcy, ?de Courcy, Bethany, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.

++1 Michon Etienne Estephe de Courcy Titular Baron de Courcy and Stanza, Deryni
      Born: May 11, 1030      Died: October 30, 1097
      Eldest son of Guiscard Titular Baron de Courcy and Stanzar and Lady Lune daughter of Bonarld MacGregor Count of Trevalga  (Codex page 179)
      Married: Sylphy MacAthan on May 1, 1055
      Children: Lady Charolys; Hereditary Lord Aurelien (later Titular Baron de Courcy and Stanzar); Lord Jehoram; Lady Micheline; Lord Fenelon, Lady Chablys.
~+,++3 Sylphe, Lady MacAthan, Deryni, (Best guess- 2nd cousin to Sief MacAthan or 1st cousin)
      Born:       Died:
      Daughter of : ?
      Married: Michon Etienne Estephe de Courcy, Baron de Courcy and Stanza on May 1, 1055
      Children: 3 boys, 3 girls
      (Valla de Courcy: This estate of the de Courcy family in Gwynedd is situated in Western Travlum, near the border of the Kingdom with The Connait. Codex page 253)
      (*Titular= having title only without duties or power)

Generation 9 Descendants of:

…Michon, Guiscard, ??deCourcy, ?de Courcy, Bethany, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.
…Sylphe, ??2 MacAthan, ?2MacAthan, Krispin, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
…Sylphe, ??2MacAthan, ?2MacAthan, Krispin, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.


++1,+,++3 Charolys de Courcy, Lady, Deryni

++1,+,++3 Aurelien Hereditary Lord de Courcy, (later Titular Baron de Courcy and Stanzar 1097- ?), Deryni
      Born: c1056
      Married: Sieffera MacAthan around c1070 (said to be married young)
      Children: Many children in 1081
~+,++3 Sieffera MacAthan, Lady, Deryni
      Eldest daughter of Seif MacAthan and Jessamy ap Lewys
      Born: c1056

++1,+,++3 Jehoram Lord  de Courcy, Deryni

++1,+,++3 Micheline Lady  de Courcy, Deryni

++1,+,++3 Fenelon Lord de Courcy, Deryni

++1,+,++3 Chablys Lady de Courcy, Deryni

Generation 10 Descendants of:

…Aurilien, Michon, Guiscard, ??deCourcy, ?de Courcy, Bethany, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.
…Aurilien, Sylphe, ??2 MacAthan, ?2MacAthan, Krispin, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
…Aurilien, Sylphe, ??2MacAthan, ?2MacAthan, Krispan, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.
…Sieffana, Sief, ??MacAthan, ?MacAthan, Krispin, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
...Sieffana, Sief, ??MacAthan,?MacAthan, Krispin, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.


+,++3,++1,+,++3 The children of Aurilien and Sieffana, all Deryni




Generation unknown  Descendants of:

...???de Courcy, ……… ?de Courcy, Bethany, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.

++1 Alcime Baron de Courcy in the year 1104, Deryni (Codex page 139)
       Born: ?
       Parentage is unknown,
       Married: Guinimande Lady Dembrun 
       Children: at least two sons: Oldest son Hereditary Baron de courcy; Jorian de Courcy
       Note: As evidenced in Childe Morgan chapter 14 page 110, there are two baronies entitled de Courcy. Lord Aurelien Baron de Courcy and Stanzar(1097-?), who was the oldest son of Michon Baron de Courcy. Michon remained Baron de Courcy until his death on October 30, 1097. Therefore, Lord Aurelien became the Baron in 1097.  And Alcime Baron de Courcy in the year 1104 (the execution of Jorian de Courcy). Alcime appears to have a baronial court on the western borders of the kingdom.

Generation unknown +1 Descendants of:

...Alcime, ???de Courcy,...................... ?de Courcy, Bethany, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber.

++1 Older brother de Courcy

++1 Jorian de Courcy Lord, Father, Deryni (Codex page 139)
      Born: December 26, 1083  Died: November 11, 1104
      Younger son of Alcime Baron de Courcy and Guinimande Lady Dembrun
      Ordained priest at Arx Fidei seminary on August 1, 1104
      Uncovered as Deryni through merasha tainted wine at his Ordination.
      Burned at the stake at Arx Fidei on November 11, 1104

Distant Baronial court.
      Estephe de Courcy
      Knighted at Rhemuth on Twelfth Night Court, 1095 sponsored by Michon de Courcy
      "... a distant cousin of Michon de Courcy, sent by his father for the greater prestige that would accrue from being knighted at Twelfth Night Court rather than in a distant baronial court. It was Michon who presented young Estephe de Courcy, a younger brother carrying the sword and spurs; and it was Michon to whom the king gave the privilege of actually conferring the accolade. ...another secret Deryni... on the western borders of the kingdom." Childe Morgan chapter 14 page 110.
**My best guess is this is the oldest son of a distant Baron De Courcy, and the younger brother accompanying Estephe to his knighting is Jorian de Courcy.
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Wow, you have been a very busy lady!  ;D

Seeing the de Courcy family reminds me that I once figured out the generations needed to make Lisette de Courcy (Stefan de Varnay's bride from "Maidens of Mayhem" descend from Aurelien (her full birth name was Lisette Aureliene Michonne de Courcy, IIRC), but I don't have her birthdate handy at the moment, and don't think those notes were ever more than a quick jotting down of plausible birth dates on a sticky pad that has been long since tossed away. But I suppose that would make her some sort of fanfic descendant of Camber as well, whatever her connection is to our late Father Jorian.
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OK, I'm getting overwhelmed just reading this. I can't imagine compiling this. Kudos galore for all your amazing work. Thanks for putting this together.
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Maybe she's Jorian's niece?  A brother's daughter?  :)
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Darn, my lap top screen is not wide enough to read the upper charts properly.  If others are having the same difficulty, let me know and I will try squeezing the names closer together. Although that might make it harder to read for everyone else.
Well, if I make my screen print really small it works. Where are my glasses?  ;D.

Too fun, these two charts were the easy ones. Wait until you see chart three. And then there are the Haldanes. I had to break that up into three charts to make it legible. And I am just summarizing what was already figured out by KK and Robert. I would love to know what the original author's notes looked like.

Dear Evie, and this goes for anyone else with original fanfiction characters. I will be really happy if you use these charts to help give your characters more history and give them a place in the Deryni Genealogy. That was kind of my original intention; that and I recall Drakensis challenged me to find the link between Alaric and Camber. This is all your fault Drakensis. ;D

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I'm glad you are enjoying all this amazing work.  I'm sure if you weren't having fun, you wouldn't be continuing on.

So please keep having fun!   ;D
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I just discovered this in my rereading of Childe Morgan and have added it to my charts.
     
Estephe de Courcy
      Knighted at Rhemuth on Twelfth Night Court, 1095 sponsored by Michon de Courcy
      "... a distant cousin of Michon de Courcy, sent by his father for the greater prestige that would accrue from being knighted at Twelfth Night Court rather than in a distant baronial court. It was Michon who presented young Estephe de Courcy, a younger brother carrying the sword and spurs; and it was Michon to whom the king gave the privilege of actually conferring the accolade. ...Seisyll Arilan took satisfaction in the knowledge that Estephe, like Michon and himself, was another secret Deryni, and would be a valuable agent on the western borders of the kingdom." Childe Morgan, chapter 14, page 110.

**My best guess is this is the oldest son of a distant Alcime Baron De Courcy, and the younger brother accompanying Estephe to his knighting is very likely Jorian de Courcy.
Do you think I may be right in this?
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One way to see if it's likely might be to see if there is a birth date listed for Jorian, then see if he would have been the right age to be a younger brother to a knight who would have turned 18 sometime in the year prior to January 6, 1095.
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Assuming that the canonical age for ordination is the same in the Deryniverse, i.e. 23 as the minimum age for priesting, Jorian could not have been born later than 1081, which would make him at least 13 in January 1095.  That seems to fit rather neatly.
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